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  1. Least liver-harsh PH?

    Right! That's what I was saying in the beginning! These substances, methylated or not, can be just as harsh on the body. Use proper supports and you'll be fine.

  2. Least liver-harsh PH?

    From the posts that I have seen on Trenazone by Antaeus Labs reps, it should not be liver toxic due to its delivery. The way I see it is, at some point it has to go through the liver and may have some toxicity to it but it may not. This is just my thought on it. I'm not a chemist! Trenavar...

  3. Least liver-harsh PH?

    Tren is a generalized term for those type of compounds. My understanding is that due to the topical delivery, Trenazone should not have an impact on liver. I'm no expert in this but that's what I found in various places. Trenavar could also be toxic even with it not being methylated. I have...

  4. Least liver-harsh PH?

    I've run Trenazone and it wasn't bad. No sides but its a topical and not the most convenient thing. Non methylated doesn't mean non toxic. Tren and LMG can still be toxic. I personally like halodrol. Can be used to bulk or recomp and its very mild. It is a methyl but with a decent liver...

  5. Least liver-harsh PH?

    Helladrol or any of the halodrol clones. Epistane is supposed to be fairly mild too!

  6. Mass Fx Black

    I wouldn't say that anyone had a "skin disease" but some experienced a little acne. I agree that it's legit! Solid pumps, libido increase, muscle fullness and increased hunger. So far so good! I was a bit slow to respond but I seem to be responding fairly well now.

  7. Mass Fx Black

    I finished the first bottle and I did get some acne and I've been getting some muscle fullness and pumps going into the second bottle. Libido seems really high currently. It seems to be kicking in with the second bottle. I'm not really complaining!

  8. Mass Fx Black

    I'm not too sure of all that but methyl eaa is not supposed to be toxic or cause liver stress. The one thing that I didn't quite get was the warning about "may affect good cholesterol (hdl)." That's the one I'm not too thrilled about! I've never seen that warning on a natural product.

  9. Mass Fx Black

    To what degree should it be taken seriously? Prohormone serious?

  10. Mass Fx Black

    I got acne on my face and back at the start too! It wasn't out of control but it was there. It has since gone away.

  11. Mass Fx Black

    Is anyone running this yet and if so, how are things going with it? I'm through one bottle already and I'm not feeling much. I guess we'll see how the second one turns out.

  12. Stacking Mass FX Black.

    I figured that was why but I found it odd on a label for a natural product. I've only seen that warning on prohormones. I'm just curious if the methyl daa has any level of liver toxicity?

  13. Stacking Mass FX Black.

    I'm currently stacking it with versa 1 and compound 20. I'm 4 days in and so far, so good! My only question is, what in this product could have an effect on "good" hdl cholesterol? The warning says it could have an effect on HDL. Anything other than testosterone? This could possibly limit...

  14. Andromass - Post Use

    The sides you're reading about are most likely due to methylated steroids/prohormones. Andromass being non methylated should remove a lot, if not all the sides common with methyls. If you're someone who is naturally irritable or aggressive, you may see an increase. You might see some acne and...

  15. Andromass - Post Use

    I would do your cut and lean up as much as you can and then run the cycle after, like you planned. I always seem to get better results when I'm leaner. That's just me though and it could just be in my head!

  16. Andromass - Post Use

    Just keep eating! If you're able to gain without PH then you shouldn't have an issue continuing to gain post cycle. It may be a slower process to gain more but you'll retain what you have as long as you don't go immediately into a cut and keep your calories up. You'll maintain the weight the...

  17. Andromass - Post Use

    Strength went down a little but nothing crazy! I used creatine post cycle and my last 2 weeks on cycle and kept most of it. I'm still stronger then I was pre cycle and stronger then I've ever been. I've kept my training and diet up and things have stayed pretty steady for me. Ymmv! There...

  18. Andromass - Post Use

    I forgot to add in that the recommended cycle per primordial's website IS 8 weeks. The hormones take at least 3 weeks to build up and some people get really good gains in the first 4 weeks and some don't start till week 4 for 5. Not everyone reacts the same to every compound. I would wait...

  19. Andromass - Post Use

    About 5 or 6 weeks. Just keep your diet going and keep lifting like a madman!

  20. Andromass - Post Use

    This is a non methyl ph and can be run for 8 weeks without issue. The once a day dosage helps to reduce hpta shutdown. I personally experienced little to no shutdown and a raging libido while on cycle. I ran primordial's TRS which is, sustain alpha, toco8, endoamp max, and Tcf-1. I ran...
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