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I know it's been years. Just working a ton but trying to make a comeback in the gym so seeing what's new on the markets and lol @ you pinning... Knew you would eventually What're your stats going into the cycle?

Hey bro if I use creatine am I still natty? Ssssssup :sly:

ill check it when I have time

:wtf1: that article is nowhere near a study... everything i said just flew over your head so i will look into myself when i have time

Jesus Christ that is not a real published peer-reviewed scientific article it’s from a damn supplement company… The article is from Eric. I don’t give these articles my time because they're usually just to promote their own companies products--like when he recommends toco-8 alongside hCG...

10,000 iu 3x a week for two months!!! lulz @ all the broscience horror stories/theories of desensitization of leydig cells at 500iu/week

hmmmmmm... a bodybuilder comes in hasn't touched a steroid in a year has low T, low sperm count, weak erections, and low testicular volume. he is given hCG 10,000iu three times a week, and hMG 75mg daily for a couple months. everything improves back to normal while on treatment. they recheck...

lulz how did i miss this... please post said studies

was wondering when you'd join the partay... thats the only way i use hCG now... i dont know if you recognize this study in anabolics and can pull up the name for me to find it online and try to open it for free but there is a study talked about in anabolics which measured LH levels and other...

hCG does nothing for fat burning there is no scientific data to back that up

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2360778/ Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism treated with human chorionic gonadotropin "Hypogonadism returned, but was successfully treated with weekly injections of human chorionic gonadotropin for three months. Testicular function remained normal...

that's not the issue it's whether to use it on cycle for the duration of the cycle or in the beginning of pct

fair enough.. I blast alongside clomid for a couple weeks as well

james11 I'd be interested to see all this blood work you've done and seen on the forums which indicate positive effects from hCG on cycle... srs

read my first post... i said nobody knows how to use it because there is such little research although there is more research on it used post cycle for recovery. i didn't disprove using it on cycle that's why i asked for literature on why anyone thinks its beneficial on cycle... there isn't...

see red below http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20188494 recognize the name Scally? he's the person i first mentioned... Dr. Michael Scally who succesfully treats people who are hypogonadic from steroids or other causes with hCG and serms... so yeah i think i'll go with the Dr.'s advice and...

oh I thought you had something better... you do realize there is more studies done on hCG restoring testes post cycle and hCG curing hypogonadism than there is any piece of literature which shows that hCG on cycle makes you recover faster right?

i'm not :( last i was foruming he was reputable.. what am i missing

because all the cool kids are doing it bro it's recommended by Dr. Michael Scally to use hCG in pct while using clomid/Nolva and continuing the serm use after the hCG for a few weeks

in for sources that say hCG is best used 250iu on cycle... nobody f*cking knows how to use this sh*t bro. very little studies on it in terms of recovering full testicular stimulation relative to steroid use. theres a vague study i remember but cant pull up on someone who recovered using hCG...