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  1. El Hefe

    Potassium Nitrate

    I haven't viewed the label for either of these products so I can't refer to them specifically. But I understand the confusion regarding some of these compounds. If something is 100% PN, it breaks down roughly to 13% Nitrates and 46% Potassium (as K20), give or take a point depending on purity...
  2. El Hefe

    Potassium Nitrate

    I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I wanted to add an interesting element to the discussion. I'm in the fertilizer business. Well, more specifically we design and distribute specialty plant nutrition products. Nitrates, phosphates, bi/carbonates, sulphates, etc are all commercial fertilizers...
  3. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Mr. Cooper69- "Vasoconstrictors of skeletal muscle tissue would be counterproductive preworkout. Thankfully, there are no such products on the supplement market that can achieve this to a significant enough degree" Rodja- "You're vastly overestimating how much actual construction occurs from...
  4. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Thanks for the intelligent reply.
  5. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    agreed.
  6. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I didn't say they were or weren't. I said it's been debated, and it has. Over the past 10 years there has been discussion on both sides within the forum community. Google results may have changed today - but in the past, you could find discussions and seemingly credible references calling clen...
  7. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    According to the National Institutes of Health, caffeine is considered a vasoconstrictor. But it also dilates. It almost falls in it's own category. I understand that many of the actions of each stimulant are not exactly cut and dry. Some may do both, while others may simply perform one action...
  8. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    So are your saying that vasoconstriction during workouts is good or insignificant? Do you see any benefit to using vasodilators (rather than constrictors) before work out?
  9. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Rodja - We're going back and forth, but I'm not sure we're actually going anywhere. "This is nothing like a clen/T3 debate" I think it's similar in the sense that no person takes a substance that might be catabolic unless it has positive effects that might outweigh the negatives. Similarly, no...
  10. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Thats a good pre workout program. Note that taurine and carnitine are vasodilators. As for the caffeine: Valdez mentioned it being thought of as a constrictor but not in a workout setting. Caffeine starts out as a constrictor but soon after dilates the blood vessels.
  11. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Whether clen and ephedrine are vasoconstrictors has been debated. It's been debated because it's been important for bodybuilders over the years to find out which of their supplements are constrictors. I won't weigh in on clen and ephedrine. Individuals can study them on their own and make their...
  12. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I'm saying some are vasoconstrictors. Those that are, constrict by definition.
  13. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I have respect for Rodja and many others here at Anabolic Minds. I also read and pay attention to many of his posts. But having a low post count doesn't disqualify me from sharing my thoughts. Nor does it make me a noob. It is also not my intention to personally challenge or debate anyone...
  14. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    Rodja - "vastly overestimating how much actual construction occurs from stims. They don't choke off bloodflow" I simply said that while constrictors don't make muscle building impossible, they do run counter. I agree that for some people the stim's effects can outweigh the decrease in...
  15. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    OnionKnight - "preworkouts also has vasodialators in them as well to counteract that effect." I agree, and that's part of my point. They use two ingredients to counteract each other. I would rather have one effect or the other depending on my goals.
  16. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I understand what your saying. Also, my sole focus was not on the 'pump', rather the muscle building process. Blood and nutrient flow is important during a workout and each and every single day after - through the entire hypertrophic process. However, I may be missing something. Please explain...
  17. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I'm saying most stimulants are constrictive. And I'm not telling anyone what do to do, rather I'm interested in and respect different opinions and train of thought. My personal opinion is that HIGH levels (not a diet coke an hour before workout) of caffeine pre workout may be counterproductive...
  18. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    A short explanation would be that in attempting to reach hypertrophy - your in part attempting to increase blood/nutrient flow and pressure to targeted muscle group(s). Constrictors limit the capacity of that process. Wiki - Muscle hypertrophy involves an increase in size of skeletal muscle...
  19. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    I understand caffeine is a constrictor. Although I don't think moderate amounts (cup of coffee in the morning, iced tea for lunch, etc) throughout the day are an issue.
  20. El Hefe

    PWO Vasoconstrictors Worth It?

    It also appears that many of these supps mix vasolodators with vasoconstrictors which may look good for marketing purposes but is somewhat counterproductive in nature.
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