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  1. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    That being said, I do see the value in using you (PAT) for testing, I finally have a sample to send you.

  2. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Let's look at epiandrosterone as said by Pat Arnold: "I am selling a bridge in brooklyn. Are you interested?" - PA "17b-HSD goes both ways. and 3alpha-HSD is unidirectional in muscle towards the 3alpha-OH these claims are misleading at best. epiandrosterone and dhea suck as prohormones...

  3. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    I thought you were selling 11-OXO not 11-T but it's a good reference point. I could have used Hydroxy-Testosterone but most people have forgotten about that already since it's been banned. I never discussed your product, I was discussing a compound. Very different. Still, the paper you...

  4. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Listen, as I have always said with science there is almost never a real "fact" and we can debate this back and forth. We've been doing it with Pat since 2003. I don't ordinarily mind, except that most companies get a pretty free ride. The only reason Pat and I clash so much is our common...

  5. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Sure but that is offset by increased market demand. Typically in these scenarios you get an ebb and flow but what I have found is that typically the more companies selling a product the better the overall market for each individual company. Let's look at 1,3-Dimethyl. Pat had an exclusive on...

  6. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Yeah, but it really doesn't...you should have taken econ and marketing in college. The more people selling hormonal products raises awareness and demand in the marketplace, thus creating more business for all parties.

  7. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    After 8 years of this all I can say is neither one of us has changed a bit...good or bad.

  8. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Can you find me one report of Trenbolone causing liver toxicity compared to say superdrol or halodrol or dbol or anadrol? As in hospitalization! All androgens raise liver enzymes but certainly C17 Methyl androgens are what MOST people are concerned about and the laymans "not liver toxic"...

  9. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    There are no "facts" in science so you can throw that out. Additionally, please spare me the non-methylated discussion? My biochemist is laughing saying "how do you deal with these people"

  10. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Pat, you have been throwing out crap for 7 years now. Do you really think I care at all what you think? I don't... I will tell you what is a bigger mistake to publicly announce that the only motivation you have for commenting on another companies product is because "it's taking money out of...

  11. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    That's your theory and I disagree. So, what else is new?

  12. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    We aren't selling progesterone Pat. So, it's pretty hard to compare progesterone to 6-OXO-P in this capacity, but additionally posting abstracts without the full paper is meaningless anyway. The full paper needs to be investigated to really get an idea of the spirit of the paper.

  13. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Yawns...

  14. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Yeah, that is the irritating part of it. Same with so many other supplements on the market with one study as an example. Cholesterol shouldn't be a problem and there is no substantial liver toxicity with anything that isn't a 17aMethyl, so you can pretty much eliminate that as a concern from...

  15. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    I think the anabolic equal of 11-Keto-Testosterone is substantial, and all that means is you have to dose more frequently with higher blood plasma levels. As for "bad sourcing" I have already pointed out that it happens to everyone seemingly. New testing protocols are certainly warranted and...

  16. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    "Cortisol control is unlikely." Now substantiate that statement. What did you rely on to make that assumption? Do you have papers backing up that statement. Before you do that, what does agonism of the PR, ER and AR have to do with it's anti-corticoid action?

  17. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Everything you bolded is what I said about it. Which is why it just sucks to give the information to people. You clearly have an ax to grind. All the bolded things are good! See why we brought it out? The cortisol is a theory based on most progestins having anti-cortisol activity...

  18. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Again, it doesn't seem to have androgen effects in the typical androgen dependent tissue so yes and no is the answer I suppose. Structurally it is a progestin (C21) yet it isn't "progestational" which is why I clarified. So, to answer your question it is a C21 making it a progesterone skeleton.

  19. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    You may not want to hear this but I don't know that science understands how most things "work" what I do know is that according to this paper and other research, it is anabolic yet isn't estrogenic, progestational and not very androgenic in androgen sensitive tissues. Take for example a SARM it...

  20. Taurus Nutritions Methyl 1-P Write up and B2G1 72hr SALE!!

    Do you mind sharing your "doubts" since I have clearly shown that steroid skeletons with structure modifications can have all sorts of varying interactions with the receptors?
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