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  1. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Since you conceded on your first argument, I have no problem providing evidence on bioperine since you will not start pivoting again. I'll give you both, here is a study on both animals and humans. Invalid Link Removed
  2. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    The formula already contains eucalyptus oil for that - why does it need peppermint too? Ethanol, Benzyl Alcohol, Camellia sinensis extract (leaf), Epicatechin 95%, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hydroxypropyl cellulose, purified water, Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Leaf Essential...
  3. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Oh really, great. So now that means you can concede that peppermint oil can go systematic and could cause anti androgenic effects then.
  4. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    You made the claim that transdermal was superior now the burden on you falls to prove that - which you have not. This is how an argument works. Instead you cited a rat study that just shows how oral epicatechin is less than 5% bioavailable in the gut and this means transdermal is better. Do...
  5. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Never said systematically, you do know you have androgen receptors in your skin right? That was just my personal suggestion not an argument since someone referenced this product specifically. I don't know what the purpose of peppermint oil is in this product other than to just be a filler.
  6. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    You can't prove a negative but great argument I enjoyed it. Maybe a little easier than I thought for someone with 4K posts though.
  7. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    I know I'm arguing against Renew's payroll squad but I'm not even bashing the product. I'm just simply refuting the claims that people are saying this is somehow superior than oral when all we have is anecdotal reports. If that triggers you that bad, it just shows your bias which is fine...
  8. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    So your argument is because oral epicatechin is only absorbed less than 5% in a gut rat study therefore transdermal is somehow superior. While referencing an in vitro transdermal catechin study where they produce an electric static field to force a compound through the skin in a petri dish with...
  9. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    4,000 posts and 21 years later and yet still can't comprehend context - ouch. I don't know - I just know I have researched and experimented with topicals for over a decade for treating steroid induced hair loss.
  10. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Your skin is not like some random piece of paper where whatever you put on it, it automatically absorbs like magic. It is actually quite the opposite and meant to be a barrier of keeping things out. This is why the lower molecular weight has increased permeability and more potent vehicles can...
  11. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    So just to summarize before you pivot, back to my original question you don't have any direct evidence that transdermal is superior - got it. I'm questioning the transdermal method since people are saying it's superior with no data behind it except anecdotal reports. You provided some strawman...
  12. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    You didn't technically provide direct evidence, respectfully. You provided speculation based on another oral study by using terms like "I assume" which is totally fine for representing your opinion but I was looking for a direct study that shows epicatechin absorbs through the skin. I don't...
  13. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Unless I'm missing it, what does this study have to do with the bioavailability of transdermal absorption regarding epicatechin? Looks like this study is just referencing EC in terms of oral bioavailability from chocolate/cocoa and also not in an isolate form, no? When a whole food is...
  14. tubzy

    Oral Epicatechin vs TD

    Do you have evidence supporting any benefit w/ TD in regards to epicatechin or just anecdotal reports only?
  15. tubzy

    Androsterone

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  16. tubzy

    Androsterone

    I would say both myself and a few others. From my side, I rebooted this thread topic in hopes to get a pure androsterone source as oral IML R-Andro is no longer available even though they had bioperine/grapefruit extract it was the closest supp at the time for androsterone only. I think it...
  17. tubzy

    Androsterone

    If you want bioperine though why not just use some ground pepper separately? It doesn't take much to get the absorption enhancement out of it (5mg is so miniscule). I'm just saying if its blended into the capsules it restricts the people that like to dose it higher as we have no choice...
  18. tubzy

    Androsterone

    Would be in for sure for capped if there is no other ingredients besides androsterone. Really hard to make the doses flexible if there is bioperine or grapefruit extract due to potential ingestion/bloating.
  19. tubzy

    Androsterone

    Perfect - it doesn't exist. Thanks for clearing that up. Now I can stop wasting my time arguing with someone who is literally just making theories up with no evidence. You don't need to use masteron at high doses to understand its affinity - I hope you understand that.
  20. tubzy

    Androsterone

    Keep avoiding this question; maybe out of embarrassment?? The better understanding and experience with AAS = more muscle. Do you even lift? Lol - you're obviously trolling but nice pivot but I would too after realizing I just the lost the actual argument. My actual personal stats mean nothing...
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