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  1. Is this true, of just total BS?

    Guys, some say this, that if you cut after a ph/AAS cycle (and this is cutting after time off) without anabolics, then you will lose most or all of your gains that were made on anabolics. Is this true of just some bro science bullsh*t? Because I made great gains from my 1st cycle but do not want...

  2. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    strong bump but yea, I realized after making this thread and doing some math, that without serious muscle loss and/or DNP, I could not do my cutting goal.

  3. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    thanks again for the help man, I'm thinking 8 weeks will be enough with the 11-OXO.

  4. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    and assuming my diet is spot the whole time, which it will be, wont the clen help to speed up the fat loss?

  5. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    thanks for the help man, you basically backed up what i know...i have a big scary cut ahead of me lol. you may not know this, but can i run 11-oxo for 12 weeks since it's not methylated?

  6. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    do you have a link to that thread? i cant seem to find it. dit: nvm i got it.

  7. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    i figured that was basically the case with cutting on anabolics, I would really like to not lose any of my gained mass through this cut, if anything gaining a small amount while shedding some serious fat would be my goal.

  8. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    yes im gonna be running benadryl every third week on each full 4 week cycle of clen (2 on/off). I'm planning on dosing the 11_OXO quite high. I have not considered running it for 8 weeks though, but I think it could be done, it not a methyl and pretty weak on shutdown I've heard. About losing...

  9. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    and I know it's a lot to read, but any help would be great.

  10. Can I go from 20% bf, to 5%, in 16 weeks? (PLEASE HELP ME GUYS)

    So after bulking for two months, running a six week cycle right after it turning that into a 14 week bulk, and then continuing to try and bulk through and after PCT (btw post PCT is going amazing, I'm making gains, and visual ones too, not even 2 weeks after PCT), I've gained quite a bit of fat...

  11. Why SERM necessary???

    please do not run a cycle if your asking this.

  12. h drol/ pct

    if test is a problem, i personally would do another 4 week pct of nolva and clomid, and then run some natty t boosters after that.

  13. h drol/ pct

    no offense, but if your asking this I think you rushed into a cycle to early.

  14. h drol/ pct

    i agree with this, i think we need to try and toss the 20/20/10/10 dosing, i used it but i had to go a bit higher at 1st because I didn't feel like it was doing too good of a job. to the OP, it sounds like you are not recovered fully.

  15. lean xtreme on pct?!?

    this i used it and my pct went great, only had one bad week and retained most of my gains.

  16. 11-OXO, is it still out there?

    it is the best forum, i used to be over at bodybuilding.com and man...this place is so much better, actually populated by people who work out for one thing, and the info is straight forward, not a bunch of stupid bs. as for my cycle it wont be for several more weeks as im still in the time off...

  17. AAS vs. PH's, should I get the real deal if I can?

    my thread has blown up into a entertaining yet educating and intelligent argument.

  18. 11-OXO, is it still out there?

    I'm stoked to start it, after all the help I've got from this forum, I'm gonna attempt to give back by logging the cycle and keep you boys posted on how well it works, who knows, maybe I can the 1st stack the can lean you out almost as well as DNP

  19. 11-OXO, is it still out there?

    totally agree with you on diet and training needing to be spot on before supplementing. im glad to see that you did experience much more leaning out with it than natty cutting. im proabably gonna log my next cycle which is going to be 11-OXO/Epitest/Clenbuterol. I cant wait to see how much I can...

  20. 11-OXO, is it still out there?

    hey man can you give me the details about how potent the fat loss if from 11-sterone? I'm thinking of running the same PH's for my cut soon. or anyone else who has used 11-OXO/sterone, how good is the fat loss?
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