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  1. How in the world do places like GNC stay in business?

    C4 for example is only a few bucks cheaper ordering it at the planet and paying shipping vs gnc. most normal people simply dont spend inordinate amounts of money on supplements that 4 dollars makes that big of a difference.

  2. Next PES Insider Deal???

    free tee likely=more expensive insiders per bottle. ill pass personally. would be great for those that only order 1-2 things, but the savings/cost swing for those that max out insiders isnt really worth it id imagine. assuming prices would have to change. id certainly be up for a hoodie at cost...

  3. Olympus Labs Product Request Thread

    3 products id like you guys to consider or at least further research/look into, especially the first one: -this ones could possibly in theory be perfect for pct/cutting and unlike anything you offer/no one else has it: Fructus Schisandrae Invalid Link Removed yes, further research needed on...

  4. What would you like to see Athletix make?

    lol in after driven dropping a different line. fair enough, would rather have a good product to wait on instead of buying 10 things that dont work.

  5. What would you like to see Athletix make?

    how about a 2 month update... no rush but how about an inside scoop on category it will be or something? tempted to read way far into the above liked comment. inb4 wishful thinking/wait and see/patience is a virtue

  6. Top 5 UNKNOWN supps

    ecdysteroids, companies generally cant afford to sell good quality stuff cheap enough to sell/make a profit. im sure they are some no doubt, but i dont see many quality companies slip through the cracks as far as online forums go, groundbreaking =/= actually good products. Wouldnt be surprised...

  7. PA from sunflower lecithin

    iirc all studies are done on soy, dont think i remember any on sunflower, and theres been some on egg derived PA which didnt lead to the same benefits. that may be obvious, but im just pointing out not all PA is equal, it isnt like soy lecithin is putrid or overly expensive, this is a wheel im...

  8. soy lecithin

    im very familiar with SL. Im just pointing it out actual scientific evidence of approximate dosing....as anything else else would be recommended. and i didnt point out that because i disagree with higher dosing, im simply stating lesser doses also work, and at that range, its affordable to dose...

  9. soy lecithin

    750mg is the studief dose of PA, you can get that (typically slightly more) at 2tbs. you sure as heck in all likelihood do not need 4-5 tbsp. Im not being a wise guy, and realize people have played around with this a lot, but im just trying to keep this in perspective that you dont need to mega...

  10. CLA: Myth or Reality

    cliffs of research that ive seen -doesnt do anything -did something minor for some, but varied a lot, therefor results were inconclusive essentially.

  11. Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

    25g of protein is 25 grams of protein aside from slight macro differences and any lactose issues, even then, an isolate is abundantly cheaper than what youve quoted. if a bottle was filled with only 67% water and the rest air, yet was half the price as something with 100% water in the same size...

  12. Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

    its been off track, i simply asked you to substantiate your claims. and you essentially did say 10/lb was cheap, "I dnt know how people think they can get 5lbs or quality whey for $55." comparing "fresh" meat is not the same as comparing something thats processed and filtered down. the...

  13. Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

    i can buy (for example of a company always on bogo half off) 13.5lbs aka 4,274 grams of whey hd for 92 bucks. I have a hard time believing there is twice as much fluff, actually more than twice as much filler, in that protein vs whatever youre referencing to justify your system. thats me...

  14. Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

    even an isolate doesnt cost that much per lb, what are these numbers based off? hormone free grass fed hoof massaged cows from NZ? but there are "trusted" whole sellers offering it much cheaper, thats not even at bulk prices companies are getting it at. heck even mainstream trusted lines aka PES...

  15. Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

    im either not understanding your post at all, or its entirely inaccurate. the way i read that after my nap was that a good quality whey concentrate would cost over 20 dollars per pound which is an insane rip off.

  16. Pre workout info

    interesting stuff. i can only assume that full effect will take place even dosing it 5/days a week, just that the build up might take a few days longer that way? is this the first thing you'll have flavored, or you going to do pills?

  17. Ultimate T 60 day cycle?

    VS has it for sure. even if its not in stock they can order it for you shipped for free. read this thread with my dark red USP labs T on, the hype is real folks, comfy/10. willbuymore/10. spill the beans though guys, what kind of other projects are in the works?

  18. Pre workout info

    are all the effects going to be acute, or cumulative? ie, are people going to feel it hit regardless or is it going to be best dosed daily? since youre possibly going stim free, curious what angle you will take at it.

  19. PES preworkout

    indeed. alphamine has 84, HV has 36...idk, maybe not 60 but something along those lines i guess. ingredients in HV are more expensive than your typical stim ingredients so likely they would have to cut out some licensed nitrates ect whatever, although no clue on what other nifty things and costs...

  20. PES preworkout

    I can only guess how much hand wringing goes into that, very difficult decision im sure. it is impossible to please everyone regardless, as im sure you know VERY well. my best guess would be a mid-strong stim at 2 scoops, 60 scoop bottle, and the people left wanting more ergogens at 1 scoop will...
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