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  1. VS91588

    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    That it won't get obsorbed? Obviously it will cuz it ain't going to Mexico (so I will say that was misinformed a lil) . But I know that if I used a slin pin I'd get a huge bump. It's not deep enough. I would only use slin pins for water based subQ injections. That's what they are meant for
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Record that 15s of your injection and PM me for my email address. I'd love to see it for myself.. Like I said I used a short needle when i 1st started cycling once and I had a nasty bump. Once I used a longer needle I was perfectly fine. And I also just don't do Test. I stack either deca or tren...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    For example using a slin pin for Testosterone injections? Slin pins are meant for water based/SubQ injections. Have a fun TIME drawing and injecting Test in you. Keyword "Time" as in you are gonna be there with a needle inside you for like 5 mins lol.. Anything is possible I'm sure but why the...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    I didn't give any false info. In this forum topic all I said is that you should not neglect exercises. Just because it didn't work for youdoesn't mean it is a bad exercise... I really wish not to continue. This is annoying
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Okk cool... No hard feelings
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    I'm letting you know that the way I say "bro" is in no reference to a "gym mentality" lmao idk wtf a gym mentality would be (and I'm not looking for an answer so save your breath). It is how I and many ppl in Brooklyn NY address ppl. You obviously wouldn't know cause you are not from here (and I...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    "Bro" is not a mentality. It's the way I talk an how many of the guys in Brooklyn NY talk.. It's how I address guys. Not a mentality
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Dude I injected Test with a short needle and I got a bump for like a week. I would never try to use a slin pin.. Obviously the oil is going to be inside you but I would never inject with that short of a needle... And I would have to say if we look at that forum post majority agreed with me when...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Whatever you believe in is fine with you. We are 2 different ppl who obviously believe in 2 different training styles. I respect your opinion so how about you respect mine. Are you mad because I dont agree with you or something? And are you really mad because I thought Tates post was not...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    I never said that but in terms that 21s are for "wussys" I will devalue that opinion since he provided no educated reason other than sounding like an average joe on the forums with bro-science. My argument issssss we should always try out new exercises and there isn't anything wrong with doing...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Yes it did but his physique is timeless and ppl still strive to look like him... He was ahead of his time and if he was taking the amount of gear these new guys are taking I bet he would tower over all of them
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    I guess Arnold Schwarzenegger is riding on the douche train
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Well here is an article that explains a lil bit of both... FST7 is a new training principle from Hany Rambod so you can take it any way you like it. It's a routine based on ppl who like high volume training.. He also explains about the "pump"... I read up on FST7 and gave it a shot and have been...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    I never said a pump = hypertrophy... Why don't you read again. I said that a pump brings nutrient rich blood into the muscles
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Props on your education. You know about theories of evolution and chemical compounds. But my question is should we neglect an exercise based on an opinion on 1 guy? I believe that every exercise works. It may not work for every1 but that's why you go about trial an error. An exercise that I may...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    "great find" - yeah there was alot of useful info in that find I am not a tool. I graduated with a BA in Physical Education and I am currently persuing my Masters Degree in Exercise Science. What about you?
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    It's not about being sensitive about 21s.. I could care less what ppl do with their own workouts. But what I am trying to say is that ppl come on these forums for information.. You can state your opinion that you do not like that particular exercise cuz what I do might not work for you but it...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Ofcourse I understand the concept of humor. But ppl might read that and stop doing the exercise juat because one of the most respected guys in the strength training world says so. Ppl might get the wrong impression especially the young kids who come onto these forums just getting started on...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    Well he made himself look dumb with that article. If you are the most respected training mind in strength training world than make a forum topic about 21s with your scientific or educated proof. Every exercise is gonna help you gain strength but 21s is more along the lines for size and...
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    21s for huge growth or just a pump?

    This guy Dave Tate sounds like a douche meat head. I don't think there is anything wrong w/ doing 21s once a month just to shock your bi's into doing something different. Former Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman was an avid user in 21s for barbell curls and actually did it on a week to week basis...
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