Front loading npp with deca

[BONESAW4]

What would be your method of front loading npp with deca as far as dosages and for how long? I ran 300-350mg deca last cycle and really liked it but it takes 6-8 weeks before you really notice it so on my next cycle i wanted to mix them to get the fast acting npp in my system. Would you take 150mg of each or the first few weeks? or 200npp and 100deca before switching to deca only? Appriciate the help.

 

[Smont]

I would just run the NPP, you really only need to pin it two or three times a week. It's half life is about 3 days.

If you really did want to front load the way you're saying ideally you would run 300 mg of each right from day one, around week 4 you would drop the NPP, it's going to be about two more weeks before the deca is full steam, but you got the NPP overlap as it tapers off.

It's a bit unnecessary tho.

 

[BONESAW4]

I have the deca saved up from the doctor so that's the main reason. That and I have never tried npp but I love deca. I'm pinning every day anyway so I wasn't worried about the frequency. Ill give that a try when it comes time and see how it goes.

 

[Hyde]

I was going to say, general rule for frontloading if you NEED something at peak concentrations sooner (which is ass backwards for ideal muscle growth stimulus, where you want the dose to creep up over time as you grow and accommodate to the dose stimulus), you double the dose the first couple weeks.

If you’re trying to get peak blood levels that 350 will be giving you sooner, take 700/wk the first few to accelerate things. Side effects as your body adjusts will be higher than if you were more progressive with your initial exposure, so be advised of that.

Or just pin 300 NPP the first few weeks like Smont said, but if you have enough deca already I would front load it.

Except I would never front load for growth, unless I had some tight important deadline looming close.

 

[BONESAW4]

I just figured if i got it in sooner it would work quicker, but that makes sense. It just seems like it takes till week 7-8 before i really start to notice it so i figured if i front loaded it, that would speed it up, im just being impatient i suppose. If i get it in quicker i would probably end up having to take more at the end to get the same result anyway.

 

[Hyde]

I just figured if i got it in sooner it would work quicker, but that makes sense. It just seems like it takes till week 7-8 before i really start to notice it so i figured if i front loaded it, that would speed it up, im just being impatient i suppose. If i get it in quicker i would probably end up having to take more at the end to get the same result anyway.

Muscle can only accumulate so fast, so as long as you have sufficient stimulus from training, nutrition intake & hormonal signaling, anything beyond that is wasted.

Once you have trained sufficiently intensely to necessitate adaptation, more just causes more recovery dept. After you have eaten enough calories and nutrients, more will just make you fatter. As long as you’re taking enough steroid signaling, the excess is wasted but increases health burden.

You can take more gear up front and you can get things like more water retention and neural strength increase from DHT or androgens that drive that (nandrolone doesn’t). But if the goal is actually building longterm muscle, you can only grow so fast.

 

[Smont]

I was going to say, general rule for frontloading if you NEED something at peak concentrations sooner (which is ass backwards for ideal muscle growth stimulus, where you want the dose to creep up over time as you grow and accommodate to the dose stimulus), you double the dose the first couple weeks.

If you’re trying to get peak blood levels that 350 will be giving you sooner, take 700/wk the first few to accelerate things. Side effects as your body adjusts will be higher than if you were more progressive with your initial exposure, so be advised of that.

Or just pin 300 NPP the first few weeks like Smont said, but if you have enough deca already I would front load it.

Except I would never front load for growth, unless I had some tight important deadline looming close.

Im with you, I believe a front load is just wasting gear
Your hammering the dose up front and it doesn't matter how much you take because your not gaining more then a lb of quality weight per week. I prefer the buildup over time as needed and the only time I think you should come out the gate full doses is if your cycle is shorter. Like I always tend to get hurt mid cycle or life sets me back or something, it's always something. In the future, Instead of planning a 20 week escalation of doses I probably will plan 8 weeks at my peak doses and reevaluate at week 8 if I'm ok to continue.

 

[Hyde]

Im with you, I believe a front load is just wasting gear
Your hammering the dose up front and it doesn't matter how much you take because your not gaining more then a lb of quality weight per week. I prefer the buildup over time as needed and the only time I think you should come out the gate full doses is if your cycle is shorter. Like I always tend to get hurt mid cycle or life sets me back or something, it's always something. In the future, Instead of planning a 20 week escalation of doses I probably will plan 8 weeks at my peak doses and reevaluate at week 8 if I'm ok to continue.

Yes, it absolutely has its place - and that’s mainly when the intention is short & sweet, or an immediate need. If he told me he has a strength contest in 10 weeks and relies heavily on nandrolone for max size, I’d say blast it - but ideally you just get faster drugs, like NPP here, and orals to help get to getting.