What Do You Think of This Test / NPP / Hybrid Tren / HGH Ratio?

RickHard

RickHard

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Hello,

I’m 44 years old and have been training seriously for many years. Earlier this year I suffered a significant right humerus fracture that required surgical repair. Recovery has gone well, and I’ve been steadily rebuilding strength and size.

Current stats:
  • 224 lb
  • 12.5% body fat
  • 114.4 lb skeletal muscle mass (InBody)
  • Visceral Fat Level: 5
  • InBody Score: 108
Recent trend:
  • Bodyweight: 214.3 → 224.0 lb
  • Skeletal Muscle Mass: 106.3 → 114.4 lb
  • Body Fat: 15.3% → 12.5%
I know InBody isn’t perfect, but the trend is moving in the right direction.


Current setup:
  • Test E: ~735 mg/week
  • NPP: ~312 mg/week
  • Tren Ace: ~130 mg/week
  • Tren E: ~130 mg/week
  • Total Tren: ~260 mg/week
  • Injectable Superdrol: ~41 mg/week
  • HGH: 3.5 IU/day
The Tren is intentionally split between Ace and Enanthate to get some quicker feedback from Ace while still having the smoother background effect of Enanthate.

Everything is pinned once daily. Total oil volume comes out to approximately 1 mL per day:
  • Non-Test blend: ~0.65 mL/day
  • Test E300: ~0.35 mL/day
  • Total oil volume: ~1.0 mL/day
I’m only a few days into this setup and don’t plan on making constant changes. The goal is to hold things steady, collect data, and evaluate based on actual results.

Looking at the overall structure, would you adjust anything about the ratio between the Test, NPP, Tren, HGH, or injectable Superdrol? Curious to hear what stands out to you and why.
 
Main thing I’m looking for feedback on is the ratio and balance of the stack. I’m not trying to constantly change things, but I’d be interested to hear if anyone would lower/raise one piece relative to the others.
 
Unless you compete at a pretty high level, that's an assload of tren.

How often are you getting blood work done? Between that tren dose and the superdrol, I can't imagine your lipid profile looks great?

How long are you running Superdrol for?

Personally, I'd probably half the tren (just drop one of Ace or E) and would consider something like Mast depending on how resistant you are to hair loss and what estrogenic sides you're getting with that test dose combined with NPP.

HGH dose is fine, but you won't notice a ton of actual muscle growth at that dose. Good for lipolysis if taken fasted in the AM before cardio or better sleep if taken before bed on an empty stomach, but wouldn't expect anything crazy as far as hypertrophy goes.
 
I can't give you any feedback on ratios, because ratios aren't really a thing that applies to everyone. A good ratio for me is not a good ratio for you, that's a trial and error thing.

I see a cycle here that's going to cause lots of problems with high estrogen and high prolactin. Test at 700 is a large but still reasonable amount of testosterone but it's going to come along with a lot of aromatization, you're pairing that up with about 400 mg of nandrolone between the NPP and the tren, which we know mixing Deca with Tren can cause all kinds of nasty side effects, especially in a high estrogen environment because that's going to create prolactin issues I definitely see erectile dysfunction and lactating gyno being potential side effects for this cycle. Also adding 130 mg of NPP to the cycle is completely a waste in my opinion. I don't see what benefit you're going to get from 130 mg of NPP.

If I was going to revise this cycle I would run my testosterone around 700, and then I would pick either 250 mg of NPP or maybe 150 to 200 mg of tren. I would also raise my HGH higher because you're kind of in between a replacement amount and a performance enhancing amount. I would go up to 5-6 units per day. (I'm going to disagree with the statement that 260 mg of tren is a boatload of Tren) I still see that is a normal amount that people use, anything under 300 mg I would say you're still in the general gym bro zone .

What's your purpose for using injectable SD? 40mg per day is a lot. I would personally save that for the last 3-4 weeks of my cycle.


Test 700
NPP 250-300 or tren 150-200
HGH 5 units
Your going to want some adex or letro on hand, and definitely some caber or prami on hand.
Save SD for the end
 
Smont said:
I can't give you any feedback on ratios, because ratios aren't really a thing that applies to everyone. A good ratio for me is not a good ratio for you, that's a trial and error thing.

I see a cycle here that's going to cause lots of problems with high estrogen and high prolactin. Test at 700 is a large but still reasonable amount of testosterone but it's going to come along with a lot of aromatization, you're pairing that up with about 400 mg of nandrolone between the NPP and the tren, which we know mixing Deca with Tren can cause all kinds of nasty side effects, especially in a high estrogen environment because that's going to create prolactin issues I definitely see erectile dysfunction and lactating gyno being potential side effects for this cycle. Also adding 130 mg of NPP to the cycle is completely a waste in my opinion. I don't see what benefit you're going to get from 130 mg of NPP.

If I was going to revise this cycle I would run my testosterone around 700, and then I would pick either 250 mg of NPP or maybe 150 to 200 mg of tren. I would also raise my HGH higher because you're kind of in between a replacement amount and a performance enhancing amount. I would go up to 5-6 units per day. (I'm going to disagree with the statement that 260 mg of tren is a boatload of Tren) I still see that is a normal amount that people use, anything under 300 mg I would say you're still in the general gym bro zone .

What's your purpose for using injectable SD? 40mg per day is a lot. I would personally save that for the last 3-4 weeks of my cycle.


Test 700
NPP 250-300 or tren 150-200
HGH 5 units
Your going to want some adex or letro on hand, and definitely some caber or prami on hand.
Save SD for the end
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300mg (and sometimes more) happens among competitive bodybuilders, but don't think there's any reason for someone who isn't competing to use a dose like that.
 
Jimbabwe said:
300mg (and sometimes more) happens among competitive bodybuilders, but don't think there's any reason for someone who isn't competing to use a dose like that.
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Real competitive bodybuilders use more like 600 to 1500 mg and I know because I'm around people like that who compete at heavyweight in body building and also strong man. And yes some of them use less, and also some of them use MORE!

I know we want to preach safe use models but we also need to be realistic and 300 mg or less is very average Joe doses. 150-250 is probably a little more average Jim bro doses and if you're using less than 150 you shouldn't be using it in the first place just pick a different compound. I can make a strong argument that no one who uses less than 300 mg looks like they're on tren.

I've yet to see someone who is not a professional bodybuilder or a high level amateur use trend and look like they're on trend and the reason is is because one they don't eat right they don't train enough but Tren has a very specific look and you need to be on a certain amount of milligrams to get that look.

Tren* talk to text throws the D on the end every time.

And if you use too much tren you might also get the D on the end 😂
 
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I'd also like to know where people get this mindset that competing for a plastic trophy gives you a reason to use more gear. It's called personal preference and people do what they want to do steroids were not invented for bodybuilders
 
Smont said:
I'd also like to know where people get this mindset that competing for a plastic trophy gives you a reason to use more gear. It's called personal preference and people do what they want to do steroids were not invented for bodybuilders
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Well, my position was high level competitive bodybuilders are justified in using that dose because they are trading their health for their livelihood (as are most of us, in different ways).

I just don't think it makes sense to use Tren at all if you aren't competing like that because of the health risks if you're just trying to look good as a hobby.

Microdosing tren (like Hyde is doing) seems fine because you get those pretty powerful recomposition benefits without a ton of nasty sides, but even that's still a trade I think most shouldn't make.
 
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Understandable but you have to keep in mind those are personal opinions. And there's nothing wrong with preaching a safe use model. I'm not disagreeing with that.
RickHard said:
Thanks for all the feedback. A couple of clarifications:
  • Injectable SD: roughly 40 mg/week, not 40 mg/day.
  • NPP: approximately 312 mg/week.
  • Tren: the 130 mg figures are the individual esters (Ace and E), which combine to roughly 260 mg total Tren.

A few additional points:
  • Earlier this year I suffered a significant right humerus fracture that required surgical repair with plate-and-screw fixation.
  • Part of the reason NPP is included is that I’m still rebuilding from that injury and was interested in the recovery, training tolerance, and joint comfort benefits many people report from nandrolone.
  • My previous two cycles were Test + Tren, and both used substantially more Tren than this setup.
  • I’ve generally tolerated Tren surprisingly well, which is part of the reason I’m comfortable with the current dose.

Observations (Day9):
  • Sleep has actually been better than expected.
  • BP has remained under control.
  • No meaningful negative side effects so far.
  • Morning wood is good libido is up
  • Obviously still very early.
  • keep in mind, I inject daily

On HGH:
  • The HGH feedback is fair.
  • I started at 3.5 IU/day will work upward towards 5-6 IU.
  • Depending on BP, glucose, sleep, and water retention, increasing HGH is probably the adjustment I’m most likely to consider.

On injectable SD:
  • The dose is intentionally conservative.
  • I’m using it as a front-end and back-end accelerator rather than a full-cycle compound.
  • The plan is to run it during the first couple of weeks, remove it during the middle portion of the cycle, and then bring it back toward the end.

Goals:
  • Not competition prep.
  • Not simply chasing scale weight.
  • Continue adding quality muscle.
  • Rebuild strength and function after the injury.
  • Reach a specific physique and lean-mass goal while keeping health markers in check.
For now, I’m planning to leave everything alone and see what the next couple of weeks look like before making any major changes.

Again, thank you for your advice and appreciate all the feedback 🙏



this is my current baseline…



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Nobody discounts the Esther weight that's just ridiculous, doesn't matter what gear you choose we track the dose by the dose not the dose minus the ester weight. Nobody building coach or steroid guru or anyone who's into this stuff is discounting the Esther weight unless they're giving themselves an excuse to use more gear.

Just wanted to throw that out there, I also use talk to text a lot so I apologize for the run-on sentences and lack of punctuation marks lol
 
Bro if you're using tren on every cycle you're asking for failure in the long run you got to stop doing that. Trend is like the emergency steroid it's what you use for the final touches it's not what you use during every step of your journey. You're juggling hand grenades
 
By the way I also tolerate the mental side effects of trend extremely well, if anything it makes me slightly sad but other than that I don't really get many side effects from it. If I'm not mistaken the last time I used it my blood pressure was hanging around 115/70. Unfortunately the damage that it does to our kidneys and our brain is done behind the scenes and the more we use it the more it affects those things
 
Thanks Smont!

Appreciate the insight. I really do value the transparency and honesty.

Fair point, and I don’t disagree that Tren deserves respect. One reason I’m comfortable with this setup is that my previous two cycles were also Test + Tren, and I tolerated them surprisingly well. This cycle actually uses less Tren than those did, while adding NPP as part of the rebuild from the humerus injury.
 
RickHard said:
Thanks Smont!

Appreciate the insight. I really do value the transparency and honesty.

Fair point, and I don’t disagree that Tren deserves respect. One reason I’m comfortable with this setup is that my previous two cycles were also Test + Tren, and I tolerated them surprisingly well. This cycle actually uses less Tren than those did, while adding NPP as part of the rebuild from the humerus injury.
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I'm glad you took it that way because I didn't mean any offense, I literally just read a question and I answer it as honestly as I can lol. Sometimes that tends to piss people off though. But I'm in the follow your log regardless I would suggest not using tren on every cycle tho. Contrary to what a lot of people believe it really doesn't mess your blood work up horribly it's more the long-term damage that worries me with the kidneys and the Brain
 
Smont said:
I'm glad you took it that way because I didn't mean any offense, I literally just read a question and I answer it as honestly as I can lol. Sometimes that tends to piss people off though. But I'm in the follow your log regardless I would suggest not using tren on every cycle tho. Contrary to what a lot of people believe it really doesn't mess your blood work up horribly it's more the long-term damage that worries me with the kidneys and the Brain
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The neurotoxicity is definitely something not near enough people consider when it comes to running Tren.
 
Jimbabwe said:
The neurotoxicity is definitely something not near enough people consider when it comes to running Tren.
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Ya it's a big deal because it's not something we can really track ourselves. Most ppl start out doing really well on tren, but eventually sides show up and even if they don't, it doesn't mean the long-term neuro and kidney damage is not accumulating. Ive seen a lot of ppl blood work on tren look pretty good, BP is usually a issue but that can be controlled. The kidney and the Brain stuff happens down the road
 
Smont said:
Ya it's a big deal because it's not something we can really track ourselves. Most ppl start out doing really well on tren, but eventually sides show up and even if they don't, it doesn't mean the long-term neuro and kidney damage is not accumulating. Ive seen a lot of ppl blood work on tren look pretty good, BP is usually a issue but that can be controlled. The kidney and the Brain stuff happens down the road
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Thank you for the awareness. I

My recent Function Health panel was generally reassuring despite approximately 30+ weeks of cumulative Tren exposure, although I continue to monitor cardiovascular and inflammatory markers closely.

I’ll read more into it, thank you for the pointer.
 
Sub’d

Things have already been said: ratios are BS because they vary by individual response AND with absolute dosages, starting with SD means lipids are shot from the start and won’t recover forever, less Tren the better.

One final point is Tren E takes 5+ weeks to clear after cessation. If you used that for the previous 2 blasts instead of ace, you were exposed for much longer than just the weeks you pinned.
 
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