Ana ar vs peptides for summer add on trt

[Mattgainz69]

So want to add something to my trt. Something to help with lean mass and vascularity. Mainely just to look good for the summer haha. Main concerns are health and hairloss. Deciding on low dose anavar 25 mgs for 6 to 8 weeks. Or thinking of tesa or ipamorellin and cjc.

Anyone have any experience with these peptides? Will they help with all that? Also which one is healthier. I know var can be harsh on heart and lipids but hoping a low dose would be ok. I know the peptides look safe on paper but we also don't know the long term effects?

Amy help would be appreciated

 

[Smont]

Anavar beats peptides in muscle growth 10-1, 25mg of car is pretty low but still a much better muscle builder then any peptides. In fat loss, there probably similar, you might give the edge to the peptides depending on the ones you choose. Neither var or peptides is going to make you more vascular, you need lower body fat and more blood volume if you want to be more vascular. EQ or anadrol would be most notable for vascularity given your lean

 

[Mattgainz69]

Anavar beats peptides in muscle growth 10-1, 25mg of car is pretty low but still a much better muscle builder then any peptides. In fat loss, there probably similar, you might give the edge to the peptides depending on the ones you choose. Neither var or peptides is going to make you more vascular, you need lower body fat and more blood volume if you want to be more vascular. EQ or anadrol would be most notable for vascularity given your lean

Thanks man appreciate the help. In terms of safety and health which one would be better

 

[AwakeningAlpha]

Yes var or anabolic are more powerful and no I am not on TRT, but have experience with peptides and am currently having great success with a cut stack. Reta paired with GH or Tesa or other secretagogues is pretty amazing. Keep in mind these GH options are slow to see (3+mos) but Reta is not. Main downside to reta is the slowing of digestion but it really shines in nutrient partitioning. At low dose, with enough protein and training, people experience pretty incredible recomp. Can Add SLU, 5amino, injectable L-Carnitine. Peps have less studies behind them but IMO reflect much better on blood labs. So healthier? potentially.

 

[CroLifter]

I think a healthier option would be upping the test to 300 for something like 10 weeks and adding in gh. I am seeing good results from 2 iu on empty stomach in the morning, i am recomping even though i am at maintenace.
The key for me seems to be not eating anything heavier for the next 4-6 hours and some light cardio. I usually eat just some cottage cheese to have protein in me.
That protocol is not ideal for putting on mass but you said you want to tighten up for summer.

Var at 25mg after 6-8 weeks is likely to destroy your cholesterol. If you choose that route i would limit it to around a month, but still i would up the test somewhat.

 

[Smont]

Thanks man appreciate the help. In terms of safety and health which one would be better

Safety wise, probably the peptides, 25mg of var is pretty low risk. Theres older medical studies that show minimal to no side effects with var 30mg or less. But also....

I think a healthier option would be upping the test to 300 for something like 10 weeks and adding in gh. I am seeing good results from 2 iu on empty stomach in the morning, i am recomping even though i am at maintenace.
The key for me seems to be not eating anything heavier for the next 4-6 hours and some light cardio. I usually eat just some cottage cheese to have protein in me.
That protocol is not ideal for putting on mass but you said you want to tighten up for summer.

Var at 25mg after 6-8 weeks is likely to destroy your cholesterol. If you choose that route i would limit it to around a month, but still i would up the test somewhat.

Also this, bumping up your test would be the safest. (Although I wouldn't worry about 25mg var either, 25mg for 4 weeks is kinda a waste). But More test, up your cardio or cut some calories. Sometimes because of how guys are receiving there trt, more test is not a option. Or maybe you could try adding 150-200mg of test prop (on top) of your trt. Stop the prop 2-3 weeks before your bloods.

GH is a good addition, I like 5iu eod (night)on cycle, found it to be just as effective as when I was doing 5 daily. At least the change between the two wasn't noticeable by me now what babe right.

If you did settle on a peptide you probably want tesamorelin

 

[Mattgainz69]

Safety wise, probably the peptides, 25mg of var is pretty low risk. Theres older medical studies that show minimal to no side effects with var 30mg or less. But also....
Also this, bumping up your test would be the safest. (Although I wouldn't worry about 25mg var either, 25mg for 4 weeks is kinda a waste). But More test, up your cardio or cut some calories. Sometimes because of how guys are receiving there trt, more test is not a option. Or maybe you could try adding 150-200mg of test prop (on top) of your trt. Stop the prop 2-3 weeks before your bloods.

GH is a good addition, I like 5iu eod on cycle, found it to be just as effective as when I was doing 5 daily. At least the change between the two wasn't noticeable by me now what babe right.

If you did settle on a peptide you probably want tesamorelin

Thanks man yea trying to stick with just what my clinic offers these days. The ugl days are over for me haha. I actually got denied by the Dr for anavar which I'm actually surprised about. Previous clinics I used always prescribed it to me. They do offer some peptides like sermorellin or cjc and ipamorellin. Would that have any benefit on body comp?

 

[CroLifter]

If you are over 30 ask your doctor about gh, at least intermittent use if budget is an issue. It really helps with fat loss. And test and gh make the most sense before anything else.

Secretagogues like mk677 seem to give the same benefits as far as muscle fullness and recovery goes, especialy on a bulk, but for fat loss straight gh is better.

For example if i cant afford gh year round, i would run it during the time when calories are lower. Since food and drugs both provide anabolism, when one goes down (food), you increase the other. So for example, march-august, or whatever fits your schedule.

How did you plan to acquire anavar if your doctor denied it and ugls are not an option?

 

[Mattgainz69]

If you are over 30 ask your doctor about gh, at least intermittent use if budget is an issue. It really helps with fat loss. And test and gh make the most sense before anything else.

Secretagogues like mk677 seem to give the same benefits as far as muscle fullness and recovery goes, especialy on a bulk, but for fat loss straight gh is better.

For example if i cant afford gh year round, i would run it during the time when calories are lower. Since food and drugs both provide anabolism, when one goes down (food), you increase the other. So for example, march-august, or whatever fits your schedule.

How did you plan to acquire anavar if your doctor denied it and ugls are not an option?

Prob won't be able to. Been out the ugl game for a bit now so wouldn't know where to get it

 

[dontfyourlife]

Seems everyone agrees, 20-25 mg of Anavar for 8 weeks should be a "safer" cycle.

The peptides work on totally different pathways, Tesamorelin for the visceral fat and CJC and Ipa to maximize body's natural growth hormone release.

For peptides start one at a time either pre cycle or during- this way if you have a negative reaction you can narrow down or adjust

Odd you Dr didn't want to write the script for Anavar. For me US compounding pharmacy is the safest route to go for just a few $$ more.

There's over 30 clinics that prescribe Oxandralone so I would go "google shopping" and interview a few.
I told my Dr that I tend to lose muscle than fat when trying to diet so he actually volunteered Anavr to me!

One tip- don't wear the tight t shirt going to your appointment- otherwise just wear a t shirt that says "I'm here for the PD's"

 

[Smont]

I don't think a single person agreed var is the safer cycle lol. Var vs. Some GH peptides...... The var has more negetive health impacts.

But it's not a dangerous cycle by any means

 

[Mattgainz69]

I don't think a single person agreed var is the safer cycle lol. Var vs. Some GH peptides...... The var has more negetive health impacts.

But it's not a dangerous cycle by any means

Yea on paper the peptides seem safer but I guess long term studies are not there so there's that. I hear cjc and ipa can have negative affect on heart too not sure how true that is though

 

[Smont]

Yea on paper the peptides seem safer but I guess long term studies are not there so there's that. I hear cjc and ipa can have negative affect on heart too not sure how true that is though

Cjc has been around for 20 years and Ipam been around for at least 30 years. I've never heard nothing about someone getting heart complications from these peptides but we absolutely know that all steroids are bad for your heart. So even with that comparison it's not on paper it's just a fact that the steroids are always going to be a bigger health concern then GH peptides.

Now if you are a cancer patient or someone who previously had cancer the GH peptides may be a bigger risk


I am by no means trying to scare you away from var, it's still a low risk option, especially if you're only using 25 mg a day

 

[Mattgainz69]

Cjc has been around for 20 years and Ipam been around for at least 30 years. I've never heard nothing about someone getting heart complications from these peptides but we absolutely know that all steroids are bad for your heart. So even with that comparison it's not on paper it's just a fact that the steroids are always going to be a bigger health concern then GH peptides.

Now if you are a cancer patient or someone who previously had cancer the GH peptides may be a bigger risk


I am by no means trying to scare you away from var, it's still a low risk option, especially if you're only using 25 mg a day

Good to know thanks man. Yea the only correlation I have been seeing is the water retention thing. Ipa and cjc make you retain water and some studies show fluid surrounding the heart?

 

[Smont]

Good to know thanks man. Yea the only correlation I have been seeing is the water retention thing. Ipa and cjc make you retain water and some studies show fluid surrounding the heart?

Do you happen to know where that study is? Just doing some quick poking around I can't find anything about water retention around the heart. The only thing I could find was the normal GH style water retention in the joints or under the skin as a potential side effect with cjc and Ipam is very low risk for water retention.

 

[Smont]

If possible I'd like to see the study, who performed it, and the type of people it was performed on. They rarely line up with healthy young adults who are using these things for fitness related goals. I can show a study that says vitamin C causes fatal cardiac arrhythmia and another where vitamin C causes anal leaking and osmotic diarrhea lol. But if you look into these studies and see who the patients were involved in the studies we'd be like okay this doesn't apply to us.

Reading studies are great, and I try to read a ton of them, but we need to really read the studies and see if there relevant to healthy physically fit active adults. If this one in particular was to say that a bunch of healthy young adults were experiencing fluid retention around their heart I would use the product anymore either so I understand your concern. But I don't believe it to be the case