SNS / CEL Log

[anthon88]

What's up guys? Been a while since I posted on here and even longer since I've done any logs. I'll be running quite a few Natural Anabolics and other things from SNS and CEL but am still waiting on things and putting it all together. Just thought I'd get a jump start on setting this up. It's going to be a loose log, with physique updates / pics.

I've been running Thermagize XT, Lean Edge, and Thermoscorch for a couple weeks and recently added Lean Edge Nightburn before bed. I started incorporating Lipovantage, Lipo Elite, Cordarine, and ReV02. Cordarine was immediately noticed the first time I used it before fasted cardio. After a few days, I incorporated ReV02 and that is already doing its job as well.

Running everything in the following fashion:

Morning Fasted Cardio Stack:
Thermagize XT - 1 cap
Lean Edge - 2 caps
Thermoscorch - 3 caps
ReV02 - 4 caps
Bronkaid - 1 cap
Evomuse AlphaBurn - 1 cap
RK 500 - 1 cap
Forskolin XT - 1 cap

Midday After Lunch:
Lipo Elite - 2 caps
Bronkaid - 1 cap
RK 500 - 1 cap

Preworkout:
Preworkout of choice
Forskolin XT - 1 cap
Lipovantage - 3 caps
Cordarine - 4 caps

Before Dinner:
Lean Edge - 2 caps

Before Bed:
Lean Edge NightBurn - 3 caps
RK 500 - 1 cap

I do 2 cardio sessions. My morning fasted cardio and then post workout. It was just 20 minutes each to start but just started going longer as I improved at it. Then adding the endurance supps, I've easily been able to do 45 minutes to and hour when time allows it.

Workouts are push/pull/legs. Been putting my off day between pull and legs. So it's been a 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off type thing.

The last few years I've been much better an maintaining my physique over the summer where as I use to blow it fast. Last summer was my best shape ever and I held it pretty much the entire summer. Then November into the winter I did an aggressive cut with the goal to strip down as much fat as humanely possible and then take advantage of a nice controlled rebound. But due to a ravenous appetite, real life things, and a trip I took that involved eating a lot of bad food...I blew up massively. I did have gym access though and worked out hard to put some of it to use during that trip. I'll post some pics below.

The triple pic from left to right:

Peak Summer condition taken in mid/late July. About 195-200 lbs

Super aggressive cut. POW vibes. Super depleted 158.6 lbs

Uncontrolled rebound. Glycogen loaded and inflamed from massive food composition 225 lbs.

Solo Pics
From yesterday through a few days ago. 192-196 lbs

Goal is to come in bigger and leaner than last summer and then hold it while still enjoying myself. Will add updates on the endurance here and there and then once the Natty Anabolics are all set.

 

[anthon88]

This morning's fasted cardio was 30 minutes on the elliptical at a pretty fast pace. Then 5 minute cooldown. I've been enjoying going reverse for the cooldown to help the hammies recover and keep the knees healthy.

Great Pull Session tonight. Tried the new Panda Limited Edition Scorpion Venom Preworkout...absolutely loaded. Took my cordarine, lipovantage, and forskolin as well. The workout was as follows:

1) Lat Pulldown
Sets:

• 10–12 reps
• 8–10 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP stretch set

2) Bent-Over Barbell Row
Sets:

• 10 reps
• 8 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP back off set

3) Seated Cable Row
Sets:

• 4 × 8–12

4) 1-Arm MACHINE Row (Hammer/Neutral Grip)
Sets:

• 3 × 10–12 each side
• last set slow stretch

5) Bent-Over Dumbbell Rear Delt Raises
Sets:

• 4 × 12–20
• last set stretch partials

6) Face Pulls
Sets:

• 4 × 12–15
• burnout final set

7) Alternating Dumbbell Curls
Sets:

• 10 reps
• 8 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP controlled

8) LOW Incline Dumbbell Curl (~50–55° bench)
Sets:

• 3 × 10–12
• last set slow eccentric burnout

The endurance from ReV02 and Cordarine is definitely evident in both my cardio and weight lifting sessions. Also, the thermo aspect is definitely there from the stack. Very happy so far and I haven't even started the muscle builders yet

 

[sns8778]

Looking forward to following along and seeing how you like everything.

 

[DylanHayes]

Man this is an interesting log, I’ll be following along. Sleep and recovery all good running that much stuff?

 

[anthon88]

Man this is an interesting log, I’ll be following along. Sleep and recovery all good running that much stuff?

Recovery has been great. Sleep has been pretty good too expect for a bathroom trip or 2 in the middle of the night which is typical when im cutting anyway. I naturally started waking up like an hour and 45 minutes before my first alarm out of no where a week or so ago. It's actually been benificial because I'm able to get a longer cardio session in before work.

Yeah, the stims are definitely creeping up to the high side now but I worked up to that. I always take at least 2 stim breaks a year for like 6 weeks or so. Then I gradually add them in. Maybe a cup coffee, or a lower stim pre. But now with summer right around the corner I'm deploying my full arsenal lol

Have a variety of sleep supplements too which I don't take all the time on purpose and start using them when I need them. Being able to switch them up helps too. Lean Edge Night Burn works well enough on its own but if I want to take it even further I have some bulk powders of stuff like gaba, 5 htp, glycine, l theanine, tryptophan, and extra melatonin. For rare cases I have some phenibut to use very sparingly.

 

[anthon88]

Man this is an interesting log, I’ll be following along. Sleep and recovery all good running that much stuff?

If you think it's interesting now...just wait for he anabolic stack lol. I tend to over do things so it's gonna be a lot. I like the idea of covering things from multiple, complimentary angles.

 

[anthon88]

Killed fasted cardio this morning. 45 minute at a much faster pace and it wasn't that bad. Then I had to handle some stuff on my phone...texts, emails, and updating my website. Rather than hop off the elliptical, I just slowee down a bit and also mixed in some reverse strides for another 15 minutes. Definitely have a little mood increase from the thermagize and lean edge...combine that with actually getting better at cardio is creating the perfect storm. I no longer dread it and time seems to move much faster than it use to.

PM cardio was 30 minutes with an additional 10 minute cooldown / recovery pace.

Tomorrow is leg day!!

 

[DylanHayes]

If you think it's interesting now...just wait for he anabolic stack lol. I tend to over do things so it's gonna be a lot. I like the idea of covering things from multiple, complimentary angles.

man, you’re a beast lol. I’ll be waiting

 

[anthon88]

Okay, so yesterday's update. Fasted AM cardio...30 minutes hard on the elliptical. The 15 minutes light / reverse.

Night time was legs.

WORKOUT:


1) Hamstring Curl (Warm-Up / Prep)

• 2–3 sets x 15–20
• Light weight
• Blood flow + knee prep

2) Back Squat (Main Lift)

• 4 working sets:
  • 8 reps
  • 6–8 reps
  • 6–8 reps heavier
  • AMRAP controlled set

3) Romanian Deadlift

• 4 sets x 8–12
• Slow eccentric stretch
• Full hamstring engagement

4) Unilateral Work (Pick ONE)

• Bulgarian Split Squat OR Walking Lunges
• 3 sets x 8–12 each leg
• Controlled tempo, deep stretch

5) Leg Extension

• 4 sets x 12–20
• Last set: drop set or partials

6) Hamstring Curl (Finisher)

• 3–4 sets x 10–15
• Slow controlled burnout

7) Barbell Calves

• 5 sets x 10–20
• Full stretch + pause each rep

Strength going up, endurance is great, and sweating like crazy. Recomp is already happening without the Anabolics.

Today's fasted cardio was exactly like yesterday's. Moving faster without it feeling harder.

Push later on today.

 

[anthon88]

couple leg pics after last night's workout.

 

[anthon88]

Had a great push workout tonight. Tried out a new loaded preworkout with a massive pump matrix and hydration formula. Strength climbing, endurance up, sick pumps, vascularity poppin.

Here's the workout:

PUSH A – Upper Chest / Delts / Triceps (Hypertrophy + Strength)

Structured upper body session focused on mechanical tension, controlled eccentric work, and progressive fatigue across compound and isolation movements.

1) Incline Dumbbell Bench Press

• 1–2 warm-up sets
• 4 working sets:
  • 8 reps
  • 8 reps
  • 6–8 reps (heavier load)
  • Drop set near failure

Focus: upper chest tension, controlled negative, strong press out of the bottom.

2) Flat Dumbbell Flyes

• 4 sets x 10–15
• Emphasis on deep stretch and controlled adduction
• Last set: stretched partial reps

Keep movement strict—no pressing.

3) Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press

• 4 sets:
  • 10
  • 8
  • 8
  • AMRAP

Focus: heavy controlled pressing while maintaining stability through full ROM.

4) Weighted Dips

• 3 sets x 8–12

If bodyweight only:

• slow eccentrics
• full depth
• near failure sets

5) Dumbbell Lateral Raises

• 5 sets x 12–20
• short rest intervals

Final set: goes to failure, half reps to failure, quarter reps to failure.

Focus: lateral delt isolation and shoulder width development.

6) Hammer Grip Machine Decline Press

• 3 sets x 12–15
• 2-second squeeze at contraction

Final set:

• double drop set

7) Overhead Rope Triceps Extensions

• 4 sets x 10–15
• emphasis on loaded stretch in overhead position

8) Cable Pushdowns

• 2 sets x 15
• final set to failure

• Goal is consistent progressive overload while maintaining clean execution.
• Failure is reserved primarily for final sets and isolations.
• Compound lifts kept within controlled RIR ranges to maintain performance across the session.

Attaching 2 post workout pics as well.

 

[anthon88]

No AM cardio or night time cardio today because I smoked an over night pork shoulder for pulled pork sandwiches today. Got my workout in today though before the guests arrived.

ReV02 and Cordarine at the same time today preworkout. Started up ATP Elite today too. Perhaps it's overkill and diminishing returns taking them all at once because of some ingredient overlap but I figured I should utilize them when I needed them. Maybe @sns8778 can chime in? I know the overlapped ingredients are fine in total because combined they reach the higher end in some studies but I'm not sure if spreading them out definitely utilizes them better. Won't be an issue on regular days when I split my sessions.

Pretty sure I noticed ATP Elite off the get go though because not only was my overall endurance up but my lifting endurance as well. My set to set recovery and even during the sets I felt like I had a little more.

Here is today's pull workout:

PULL DAY B — LAT SWEEP + CONTRACTION FOCUS

Goal: lower lat emphasis, stretch + contraction bias, different angles from Pull A, reduced spinal fatigue.

1. Neutral-Grip Pull-Ups or Neutral-Grip Pulldown
   Sets:

• 10–12
• 8–10 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP stretch set

Focus:

• full overhead stretch
• elbows drive to hips
• controlled eccentric

1. Reverse-Grip Barbell Row
   Sets:

• 10
• 8–10 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP controlled

Focus:

• supinated grip
• elbows tucked close
• pull toward lower abdomen/hips
• strict hinge, no bounce

1. Wide-Grip Seated Cable Row
   Sets:

• 3–4 x 10–15

Focus:

• elbows flared wider
• upper-back squeeze
• chest tall posture

1. 1-Arm Dumbbell Row
   Sets:

• 3 x 10–12 each side
• last set stretch-focused reps

Focus:

• full reach at bottom
• pause in stretch
• pull hard into hip
• slow negative

1. Straight-Arm Pulldown
   Sets:

• 3 x 12–15

Focus:

• minimal elbow bend
• lat stretch at top
• constant tension

1. Bent-Over Dumbbell Rear Delt Raises
   Sets:

• 4 x 15–20
• last set stretch partials

1. Face Pulls
   Sets:

• 3–4 x 15–20
• last set burnout

Burnout:

• reduce weight 25–40%
• continue immediately
• 10–20 extra reps

1. Incline Dumbbell Curl
   Sets:

• 10
• 8–10 heavier
• 8–10 heavier
• AMRAP

Focus:

• deep stretch
• strict supination
• controlled eccentric

1. Cable Curl
   Sets:

• 3 x 12–15
• last set burnout

Burnout:

• failure
• reduce weight 20–30%
• continue immediately
• 10–15+ reps

Notes:

• Pull A remains the heavier foundational thickness session.
• Pull B shifts emphasis toward lower lats, stretch-mediated hypertrophy, and contraction quality.
• Reduced spinal loading compared to Pull A while maintaining overall back volume and arm work.

If you couldn't already tell, I've been utilizing ChatGPT lol. With some tinkering and back and forth it can work out pretty good. Leaving a few pics below...some of the pork I just pulled off the smoker too. It's resting before getting pulled

 

[Hyde]

Subbed

I definitely get a good mood boost from Thermagize XT. As for ATP Elite, there’s never really a bad time - you don’t feel it; endurance just increases some plain and simple. You have more gas at the back end of the session.

 

[anthon88]

Subbed

I definitely get a good mood boost from Thermagize XT. As for ATP Elite, there’s never really a bad time - you don’t feel it; endurance just increases some plain and simple. You have more gas at the back end of the session.

Glad to have you on board.

 

[sns8778]

ATP Elite and ReV02 can definitely be taken at the same time. They work great together.

It's not overkill to take Cordarine at the same time. On days you do 2 a days, I like the way you've been spacing ReV02 before one and Cordarine before the other, but there's nothing wrong with taking it together either.

 

[anthon88]

Some more food porn.

 

[anthon88]

Had some trouble getting going this morning. Applied my Evomuse Smolder (logging that currently as well if anyone wants to check that out). Took my fasted cardio stack this time using Cordarine instead of ReV02. No thermoscorch either. Today is suppose to be an off day but 99% sure I'm hitting legs later so am gonna use thermoscorch, ReV02 and Peak ATP then.

Only 20 minutes cardio with a 5 minute recovery. Despite cheating yesterday 5k+ calories easy (I didn't count but I've been doing this a long time) I woke up ravenous today. So got some cardio in and then ate.

Gonna chill until it's leg time!

 

[Hyde]

Had some trouble getting going this morning. Applied my Evomuse Smolder (logging that currently as well if anyone wants to check that out). Took my fasted cardio stack this time using Cordarine instead of ReV02. No thermoscorch either. Today is suppose to be an off day but 99% sure I'm hitting legs later so am gonna use thermoscorch, ReV02 and Peak ATP then.

Only 20 minutes cardio with a 5 minute recovery. Despite cheating yesterday 5k+ calories easy (I didn't count but I've been doing this a long time) I woke up ravenous today. So got some cardio in and then ate.

Gonna chill until it's leg time!

Saturday is my high day currently, but yesterday definitely was too lol.

 

[anthon88]

Today's leg session went well. Took my supplement stack plus I tried out a new high stim preworkout and got to work.

LEG DAY — POSTERIOR CHAIN + QUAD PUMP

Goal: hamstring-first knee prep, posterior chain strength, quad pump finish, reduced spinal fatigue vs max-strength leg day

1) Hamstring Curl
Sets:

• 15 reps
• 12 reps
• 10 heavier
• burnout set
• hard squeeze every rep
• slow eccentric
• hips pinned down
• full control

2) Romanian Deadlift





Romanian Deadlift
Sets:

• 10
• 8
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP stretch set

• deep hamstring stretch
• hips pushed back
• controlled lowering (2–4 sec)
• no bounce
• lats tight

3) High-Bar Back Squat
Sets:

• 10
• 8
• 6–8 heavier
• backoff set x 12–15

• upright torso
• controlled depth
• constant tension
• drive through midfoot

4) Dumbbell Walking Lunges
Sets: 2
* 10–12 steps each leg

• long stride
• glute + quad drive
• controlled tempo
• no swinging

5) Leg Extension
Sets: 4 x 12–20
* last set partial burnout

• hard squeeze at top
• slow eccentric
• full control

6) One-Arm Dumbbell Standing Calf Raise (on plates)
Sets 4 x 10–15

• deep stretch below plate level
• 1–2 sec pause in stretch
• full contraction at top
• slow controlled lowering

Strength was good, slight increases or extra reps from last session. Pace and endurance definitely improved.

Hamstrings and calves are starting to come in nicely!

 

[anthon88]

Well, fasted cardio was basically a bust this morning. Actually slept in a little later so didn't have much time before I had to get to work. Still managed to hop on the elliptical and get a 10 minute sweat going.

Finally took a day off from the gym and just did my cardio. 45 minutes with a 5 minute cooldown bringing the total to an hour total.

Almost have everything I need for the natty anabolic portion of the stack...just waiting on a couple things and then it's time to take this to the next level!

 

[anthon88]

30 minutes + 5 minute recovery on the elliptical this morning for my fasted cardio. Dosed my thermagize xt, cordarine, forskolin and RK 500 prior to it. Been switching where and when I dose some of the supps to try and make them sit better in my stomach. Morning bathroom trip like clockwork is fine with me but trying to cut down on the duration and intensity if you get my meaning . Cardio went decent. Moved at a good pace and had a great sweat going. My lifting sessions have increased greatly in volume, duration, and intensity so I'm feeling that a bit in the cardio. I also naturally cut out my PM cardio most days because I'm too spent from lifting.

Today's lifting session was a push workout. Dosed my atp elite, ReV02, thermoscorch and lipovantage with a potent preworkout and hit it hard. Workout was the following:

PUSH B — CHEST/DELTS/TRIS PUMP

1. Flat DB Bench — 1 warmup, then 8-10, 8-10, 6-8 heavy, AMRAP

2. Incline DB Flyes — 4x10-15, last set stretch partials

3. Standing DB Press — 10, 8, 8 heavy, AMRAP

4. Weighted Dips — 3x8-12, controlled stretch

5. DB Laterals — 5x12-20, slow neg, pause at top

6. Decline Hammer Press — 3x12-20, last set burnout

7. OH Tricep Ext — 4x10-15

8. Cable Pushdowns — 3x12-15, final set drop + burnout

Weights going up, rest periods going down and sweating real nice. 2 pics from the end of the session.

 

[anthon88]

Finishing up morning cardio as we speak (reverse recovery portion). Stomach was a lot better today. I think removing Forskolin was huge...even clean extracts like SNS's still play rough with my stomach especially in the morning fasted. I also had some biopeprine cross over from some stuff so that helped too. Cardio was extremely strong today. The issue was I actually slept well and stayed in bed a lot longer so my duration was short. The calmer stomach, the extra sleep, and the cordarine had me flying. I did 20 minutes hard at my strongest pace yet. Then 5 minutes reverse recovery while I made this post.

Pull workout tonight!

 

[Hyde]

Finishing up morning cardio as we speak (reverse recovery portion). Stomach was a lot better today. I think removing Forskolin was huge...even clean extracts like SNS's still play rough with my stomach especially in the morning fasted. I also had some biopeprine cross over from some stuff so that helped too. Cardio was extremely strong today. The issue was I actually slept well and stayed in bed a lot longer so my duration was short. The calmer stomach, the extra sleep, and the cordarine had me flying. I did 20 minutes hard at my strongest pace yet. Then 5 minutes reverse recovery while I made this post.

Pull workout tonight!

As I understand it, anything that drives CAMP sufficiently can push the gut, so like you said this can always be such even with very pure forskolin.

Great sleep is a wonderful thing for fatloss! Take as much as you can manage.

 

[sns8778]

Finishing up morning cardio as we speak (reverse recovery portion). Stomach was a lot better today. I think removing Forskolin was huge...even clean extracts like SNS's still play rough with my stomach especially in the morning fasted. I also had some biopeprine cross over from some stuff so that helped too. Cardio was extremely strong today. The issue was I actually slept well and stayed in bed a lot longer so my duration was short. The calmer stomach, the extra sleep, and the cordarine had me flying. I did 20 minutes hard at my strongest pace yet. Then 5 minutes reverse recovery while I made this post.

Pull workout tonight!

Some people are sensitive to the other things in Coleus - for those people, the 95% ForsLean will avoid that.

But some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels going up and for those people, they're not having a reaction to any particular product, their body is having a response to the way that it works (which means its working). This has been shown in studies on cAMP drugs as well. For these people, it takes time for the body to get acclimated to the cAMP increase, which usually takes one to two weeks. One can help offset that a bit by taking the ingredient with a meal.

 

[anthon88]

Some people are sensitive to the other things in Coleus - for those people, the 95% ForsLean will avoid that.

But some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels going up and for those people, they're not having a reaction to any particular product, their body is having a response to the way that it works (which means its working). This has been shown in studies on cAMP drugs as well. For these people, it takes time for the body to get acclimated to the cAMP increase, which usually takes one to two weeks. One can help offset that a bit by taking the ingredient with a meal.

Yeah, I moved my forskolin to my meals. Can't just point my finger at that though, I was taking a lot of stuff on an empty stomach which was t likely helping. Years back, I couldn't take anything on an empty stomach but now i handle it pretty well overall.

 

[anthon88]

Had an excellent pull workout tonight. Popped my thermoscorch, atp elite, rev02, and lipovantage with another new preworkout I got which worked like magic. Beyond dialed in, great smooth energy, amazing mood, and excellent endurance and set to set recovery. Strength is still trending up, reps are going up, rest periods are going down, and the scale is up and fat is going down.

So I almost have all my natty Anabolics in hand. I was waiting on Basis but it turns out where I bought it was a presale but due to website cookies it made it seem like it was in stock. I could have bought it elsewhere for a bit more money but I already spent a fortune so every penny saved counts. Besides, it's probably better to stagger some of them in anyway...so I'll just add it in later. Was gonna start some of them up for next week but may go ahead and get started tomorrow. It is leg day after all!!

Here's the great reveal:

Anabolic XT
Recomp20
Pepti-Bolic
Ursabolic
Alpha One
Basis

Looking forward to getting started! Here is today's pull workout with some pics.

PULL A — BACK THICKNESS + LAT WIDTH

1. Lat Pulldown
   10–12
   8–10
   8 heavier
   AMRAP stretch set
2. Bent-Over Barbell Row
   10
   8
   8 heavier
   drop set or AMRAP
3. Seated Cable Row
   3–4 x 8–12
4. 1-Arm Hammer Grip Machine Row
   3 x 10–12 each side
   last set: slow stretch reps
5. Bent-Over Dumbbell Rear Delt Raises
   4 x 12–20
   last set: stretch partials
6. Face Pulls
   3–4 x 12–15
   burnout last set
7. Dumbbell Curl
   10
   8
   8 heavier
   AMRAP controlled
8. Incline Dumbbell Curl
   3 x 10–12
   last set: slow eccentric burnout

 

[anthon88]

Popped my pre cardio supps today at my first alarm like usual but this time fell back to sleep and stayed asleep ...so unfortunately I skipped out on my morning cardio but the trade off was some more quality sleep so I guess it's worth it. Tonight is leg day anyway.

Fridays I go in to work a bit earlier which makes the morning cardio harder on these days anyway. Finals will be starting at my school soon which means I'll be out of work by noon the latest going forward which will be awesome. I'll be able to get my fasted cardio in and a nice preworkout nap after work. This is the best time of the year haha

 

[Hyde]

“So what supplements do you take?”

“Yes”

The cool thing about the kitchen sink angle is, stuff always happens!

 

[anthon88]

“So what supplements do you take?”

“Yes”

The cool thing about the kitchen sink angle is, stuff always happens!

Lmfao pretty much! If I never discovered supplements at the ripe age of 22, I'm pretty sure I'd be financially well off right now lmao. My catalyst was the over the top, bright in your face marketing of The Asteroid Stack

 

[anthon88]

Picked up some Nuligo XT and was wondering it's reaction with yohimbine? From what I read the Nuligo won't cause an insulin spike because it's absorbed directly into the muscles. But what might render the yohimbine ineffective or reduce its effectiveness is that the body will prioritize Nuligo for its energy source rather than use the energy yohimbine is liberating.

Yohimbine is probably the one thing that hits me the weirdest out of absolutely everything so if it's not going to do what it's supposed to do I'd much rather drop it lol. Hopefully @sns8778 has some time to stop by at some point.

 

[anthon88]

So yesterday's leg workout was a bit off and I believe the preworkout I tried was the culprit. I picked up a bunch of obscure ones and so far they have all been bangers and excelled in different areas. I saved this one for leg day because the focus blend looked great and it had a decent amount of stims as well, but they over did it with the portion meant to smooth out the stims and it was almost like a sleep aid lol.

My legs days have been exhausting as it is, long, and it is definitely a chore to stay energetic and locked in towards the end of the session. I mean, who the hell gets motivated for Bulgarian split squats . So I made sure to consider that but the pre definitely magnified it. My main movements of squats and RDLs went well and improved from last session. I ended up cutting a little volume out of the secondary movements and then called it. Was a zombie for quite a bit afterwords.

As far as the SNS stack, it's going great. I added Anabolic XT, Recomp 20 and Pepti-Bolic yesterday for the first time and am excited for them to kick in, especially in terms of recovery and recomposition. I took my first dose of Anabolic XT and Recomp 20 with my preworkout meal (it was further than an hour out though so not 100% what was reccomended on the Recomp 20 bottle) and then my second doses at dinner. Pepti-Bolic was split pre and post workout. If Steve or anyone else has any input on optimal dosing I'd love to hear it.

This morning's fasted cardio was 30 minutes moving really fast and sweating like crazy. It wasn't easy , like I wanted to be done as soon as I started but the performance was definitely there. Finished with a 10 minute recovery. Planning to do 30 minutes again later today.

 

[anthon88]

Pm session done. Same as this morning. Maintaining a fast pace and a huge sweat. Legs felt great but time seemed to stand still today for both sessions. There was a stretch of time a couple weeks back where it felt like they were moving right along...oh well, back to normal

The supps are definitely producing a huge portion of the sweating and helping with the endurance and exertion. Adding the Anabolics should start improving the recovery as well which I'll definitely need because I'm not letting up.

 

[anthon88]

Something I'm pretty sure I'm already noticing from the Anabolics is I'm more pumped up already. Today was just 2 cardio sessions but my biceps were randomly pumped when I was just walking around doing regular things. Yesterday's workout was legs too, so that's pretty cool that I had an arm pump at night. Really looking forward to progressing with these.

 

[sns8778]

Picked up some Nuligo XT and was wondering it's reaction with yohimbine? From what I read the Nuligo won't cause an insulin spike because it's absorbed directly into the muscles. But what might render the yohimbine ineffective or reduce its effectiveness is that the body will prioritize Nuligo for its energy source rather than use the energy yohimbine is liberating.

Yohimbine is probably the one thing that hits me the weirdest out of absolutely everything so if it's not going to do what it's supposed to do I'd much rather drop it lol. Hopefully @sns8778 has some time to stop by at some point.

I don't think that anyone could give you a 100% answer to that question because they haven't been researched together.

There isn't going to be an interaction regardless, but I think what you meant was more if it may offset one another. I don't think they would, but its hard to say 100%.

NuliGo XT is designed for endurance and especially in people that train very hard.

I think the best way to look at it is that a lot of people feel that their endurance is slightly compromised by yohimbine anyway, so they would be taking before a cardio session that prioritizes fat loss more than endurance. Whereas NuliGo XT would be best taken before sessions that prioritize endurance. I hope that makes sense.

 

[sns8778]

As far as the SNS stack, it's going great. I added Anabolic XT, Recomp 20 and Pepti-Bolic yesterday for the first time and am excited for them to kick in, especially in terms of recovery and recomposition. I took my first dose of Anabolic XT and Recomp 20 with my preworkout meal (it was further than an hour out though so not 100% what was reccomended on the Recomp 20 bottle) and then my second doses at dinner. Pepti-Bolic was split pre and post workout. If Steve or anyone else has any input on optimal dosing I'd love to hear it.

The main thing is consistent dosing, I wouldn't overly worry about if the dose is a little more than an hour before working out.

Recomp20 - 2 capsules twice per day - I do morning and night, with one dose 30 mins to an hour (approx) before working out.

Anabolic XT - 3 capsules twice per day - at same time as Recomp20 - some people do take all 6 caps at once before working out. I like mine better split up personally.

Pepti-Bolic - I think 3 pre and 3 post is a good way to take it.

 

[Hyde]

I hate doing split squats Twice the work for half the gains! But they do help balance things and prevent injury.

 

[anthon88]

I hate doing split squats Twice the work for half the gains! But they do help balance things and prevent injury.

Yes!! I think I always felt that way about any exercise where you work both sides separately....but when it comes to legs it's THAT much worse haha. Definitely still has its benefits though as you said...and if doing dummbell curls I'll
do alternating a lot. Definitely lets you focus on the muscle contraction and the negative a bit better.

Greg Doucette mentioned in one of his videos a while back he doesn't like splitting them up either because mentally it's double the work as you said.

 

[anthon88]

I don't think that anyone could give you a 100% answer to that question because they haven't been researched together.

There isn't going to be an interaction regardless, but I think what you meant was more if it may offset one another. I don't think they would, but its hard to say 100%.

NuliGo XT is designed for endurance and especially in people that train very hard.

I think the best way to look at it is that a lot of people feel that their endurance is slightly compromised by yohimbine anyway, so they would be taking before a cardio session that prioritizes fat loss more than endurance. Whereas NuliGo XT would be best taken before sessions that prioritize endurance. I hope that makes sense.

Yes, you nailed it on the head the exact way I was thinking. Didn't mean a negative interaction per say but as in not utilizing fully. Yohimbine is something I take only for its benefits in a fasted state...so if anything interferes with that in the slightest I don't want it or I'd get rid of the yohimbine because even as my tolerance grows to it over time...it's still the one thing that can potentially make me feel off in some way.

Having said that, I utilized Nuligo XT before my push workout tonight. It was a great workout. Strength trending up, gaining reps here and there, and moving quicker between exercises and feeling recovered faster. The stack is definitely contributing greatly in that aspect. The fat burners are definitely doing their job as well, sweating like a fiend.

 

[anthon88]

Fasted cardio went really well this morning. 35 minutes at a record setting pace, sweat literally flying off me the whole time. Did 10 minutes of recovery afterwards.

Tonight's Push session was fantastic.

UPPER CHEST SPECIALIZATION DAY

PUSH C


Incline Dumbbell Press

• 4 working sets

Flat Dumbbell Flyes

• 4 sets
• stretch partials on final set

Low Incline Dumbbell Press

4 sets
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press

• 4 sets

Dumbbell Lateral Raises

• 5 sets

Weighted Dips

• 3 sets

Incline Hammer Grip Machine Press

• 3 sets
• burnout drop set on final set

Overhead Tricep Extensions

• 4 sets

Cable Pushdowns

• 3 sets
• burnout final set

 

[Hyde]

Yes, you nailed it on the head the exact way I was thinking. Didn't mean a negative interaction per say but as in not utilizing fully. Yohimbine is something I take only for its benefits in a fasted state...so if anything interferes with that in the slightest I don't want it or I'd get rid of the yohimbine because even as my tolerance grows to it over time...it's still the one thing that can potentially make me feel off in some way.

Having said that, I utilized Nuligo XT before my push workout tonight. It was a great workout. Strength trending up, gaining reps here and there, and moving quicker between exercises and feeling recovered faster. The stack is definitely contributing greatly in that aspect. The fat burners are definitely doing their job as well, sweating like a fiend.

Something John Meadows said that always stuck with me (speaking about his use of intraworkout nutrition) was that no matter how deep in a diet, the workout should be given priority. Like if there’s any time of the day that got any carbs at all, it would be directly pre/intra to help support the best muscle training possible. You can suffer whatever is necessary the rest of the day, and fasted cardio should be fasted, but you want to do what you can to maintain your muscle in a diet. So being able to keep performance higher in that workout window is ideal.

So Y before morning cardio, and Nuligo before the weights makes sense from that perspective. And whatever evening cardio is fine, that’s still burning up calories. But you’re never doing that fasted anyway if you have eaten in the last 4+ hours (as you would have).

 

[anthon88]

Something John Meadows said that always stuck with me (speaking about his use of intraworkout nutrition) was that no matter how deep in a diet, the workout should be given priority. Like if there’s any time of the day that got any carbs at all, it would be directly pre/intra to help support the best muscle training possible. You can suffer whatever is necessary the rest of the day, and fasted cardio should be fasted, but you want to do what you can to maintain your muscle in a diet. So being able to keep performance higher in that workout window is ideal.

So Y before morning cardio, and Nuligo before the weights makes sense from that perspective. And whatever evening cardio is fine, that’s still burning up calories. But you’re never doing that fasted anyway if you have eaten in the last 4+ hours (as you would have).

Yes, I follow this logic as well. Milos Sarcev was informative in this department. I keep most of my carbs around training and I swear it helps me achieve the best or both worlds (recomp) so long as calories are where they should be.

 

[anthon88]

So yesterday I skipped fasted cardio and went to the beach. Usually I'd walk the boardwalk as my cardio but chose to just relax this time.

Had a killer pull workout that night which I'll post up.

Today I just couldn't get up and slept right up until I had to leave for work. Sleep is definitely > than fasted cardio right now because I'm pushing extremely hard and can feel it.

Today is an off day before legs tomorrow so just getting in 45 minutes of pm cardio while I type this out. Keeping a moderate pace and will do 15 minutes of recovery after to prime the legs for tomorrow. Since I missed morning cardio, I saved all my lovely fat burning / endurance supplements for this session and already have quite the sweat going on.

Looking forward to adding Basis into my stack when it comes in, as well as Alpha One. Had an issue where it said it was in stock and let me purchase but it turned out it wasn't in stock. You could imagine my disappointment lol. Hopefully, should be getting some soon though.

I've seen people are actually having great results with only 1 cap of Alpha One a day which is really cool and gives it a great value. I assume 2 caps is THAT much better though. I even saw someone say they were going to experiment with 3 caps per day. I wonder what the theoretical upper limit is before diminishing returns? @sns8778 is a really busy dude but when he has some time to stop by I'd love to hear his thoughts.

Yesterdays Pull Workout:

PULL B — LAT SWEEP + CONTRACTION FOCUS

1) Neutral-Grip Pull-Ups or Neutral-Grip Pulldown

• 10–12
• 8–10 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP stretch set

2) Reverse-Grip Barbell Row

• 10
• 8–10 heavier
• 8 heavier
• AMRAP controlled

3) Wide-Grip Seated Cable Row

• 3–4 x 10–15

4) 1-Arm Dumbbell Row

• 3 x 10–12 each side
• last set: stretch-focused reps

5) Straight-Arm Pulldown

• 3 x 12–15

6) Bent-Over Dumbbell Rear Delt Raises

• 4 x 15–20
• last set: stretch partials

7) Face Pulls

• 3–4 x 15–20
• burnout last set

8) Incline Dumbbell Curl

• 10
• 8–10 heavier
• 8–10 heavier
• AMRAP

9) Cable Curl

• 3 x 12–15
• burnout last set