Deca for joints

[BBiceps]

I forgot where I posted that I was trying Deca and EQ at 60mg each for joint comfort, but I said I was going to update so here’s the update.

Positives:
It been a month or so now and it seems like my knees are a little bit less “cranky” and my body feels a little bit more smooth.

Negatives:
Feels like my estrogen is a little bit higher than normal, that’s usually what happens when I use Deca but hoped that 60mg wasn’t going to raise it, so I have been using more AI than I normally do. In the past I have given up on Deca cycles because I have had a hard time to dial in my estrogen.

I’m starting a cycle of Test/Mast 400/400, hopefully the Mast can keep the sides of Deca at bay. I’ll keep the Deca in for the cycle but probably drop it after, the extra AI use is not worth it to me.

If anyone cares I can keep updating.

 

[ironviking]

I'm in for updates. Really interested to see how this goes especially at that dosage

 

[Huge Jackedman]

My first post on here was just about this topic. I still haven’t tried it… my joints started feeling a little better now that the cold weather is through. I wonder if not getting enough sun also had something to do with it? I still could use it, and I’d like to hear what you experience.

 

[Renew1]

I forgot where I posted that I was trying Deca and EQ at 60mg each for joint comfort, but I said I was going to update so here’s the update.

Positives:
It been a month or so now and it seems like my knees are a little bit less “cranky” and my body feels a little bit more smooth.

Negatives:
Feels like my estrogen is a little bit higher than normal, that’s usually what happens when I use Deca but hoped that 60mg wasn’t going to raise it, so I have been using more AI than I normally do. In the past I have given up on Deca cycles because I have had a hard time to dial in my estrogen.

I’m starting a cycle of Test/Mast 400/400, hopefully the Mast can keep the sides of Deca at bay. I’ll keep the Deca in for the cycle but probably drop it after, the extra AI use is not worth it to me.

If anyone cares I can keep updating.

I know that you probably already know this .... A lot of people believe that the main reason Deca helps with joints is because of the increase in Estrogen.

 

[BBiceps]

I know that you probably already know this .... A lot of people believe that the main reason Deca helps with joints is because of the increase in Estrogen.

Yes, I heard that as well. It sucks that I respond so poorly to Deca and even 60mg makes my estrogen raise. Puffy nipples is one thing but when my estrogen get high it messes with my sleep and I can’t sleep no matter the sleep pills I use. I take 0.5-1mg of Adex and I’m sleeping good again. Otherwise on a TRT dose I can get away with no AI but now I been using way more AI than I would like. That’s why I won’t keep it when I get back on my TRT dose.

 

[gphagan1]

Thanks for the update… I was definitely interested in how it would go when you first brought it up. And definitely keep updating. I would like to see if the Mast helps with the sides as well. That’s part of why I like Mast on board when I’ve ran Trest.

 

[Hyde]

IME, using an AI as needed with Deca is still definitely a net positive for joint support - it raises water within the joint, not just around it the way estrogen alone does.

But as a powerlifter I can tell you, I always let my estrogen run as high as I can tolerate without nipple issues. The more water you can hold around a joint, the better passive stability it will have. This is why even bloating up on salty foods before a heavy lifting session makes you safer and stronger temporarily. Unfortunately what’s ideal for cardiovascular health runs opposite from physical performance, so it’s always striking a balance. But if I need AI and have to squat or bench the next day, I will hold off taking it until the session is done. It makes that big of a difference.

 

[BBiceps]

IME, using an AI as needed with Deca is still definitely a net positive for joint support - it raises water within the joint, not just around it the way estrogen alone does.

But as a powerlifter I can tell you, I always let my estrogen run as high as I can tolerate without nipple issues. The more water you can hold around a joint, the better passive stability it will have. This is why even bloating up on salty foods before a heavy lifting session makes you safer and stronger temporarily. Unfortunately what’s ideal for cardiovascular health runs opposite from physical performance, so it’s always striking a balance. But if I need AI and have to squat or bench the next day, I will hold off taking it until the session is done. It makes that big of a difference.

Thanks, good information!

 

[Renew1]

Thanks, good information!

I almost always let my Estrogen float a little high, too.

 

[Smont]

I almost always let my Estrogen float a little high, too.

Me 3, I don't want mine to be super high, but if I don't have any side effects I usually don't f*** with it. I honestly think I get a boost in sex drive and performance when I'm on cycle with higher estrogen. I'm sure at some point it would have the reverse effect but a little elevated estrogen for me......

 

[gphagan1]

I’m the same way….on cycle, I actually prefer mine a little higher as well, in that 50 to 60+ range. Better performance, physique, and just feel better.

 

[RickyTurbos]

I forgot where I posted that I was trying Deca and EQ at 60mg each for joint comfort, but I said I was going to update so here’s the update.

Positives:
It been a month or so now and it seems like my knees are a little bit less “cranky” and my body feels a little bit more smooth.

Negatives:
Feels like my estrogen is a little bit higher than normal, that’s usually what happens when I use Deca but hoped that 60mg wasn’t going to raise it, so I have been using more AI than I normally do. In the past I have given up on Deca cycles because I have had a hard time to dial in my estrogen.

I’m starting a cycle of Test/Mast 400/400, hopefully the Mast can keep the sides of Deca at bay. I’ll keep the Deca in for the cycle but probably drop it after, the extra AI use is not worth it to me.

If anyone cares I can keep updating.

i absolutely love this compound for joint protection BUT ensure you run it around 150-200mg wk max. I found out that stepping into 300-600mg a week territory you're risking a shut down well up to two to three months after your last pin and before you can begin PCT.

 

[Smont]

i absolutely love this compound for joint protection BUT ensure you run it around 150-200mg wk max. I found out that stepping into 300-600mg a week territory you're risking a shut down well up to two to three months after your last pin and before you can begin PCT.

You're going to be shutdown on even 100mg, you were more like just seeing side effects from the higher doses. Most of us are on TRT, we don't PCT. If you are someone who does PCT you should opt for NPP over deca. (Deca and EQ)are tough to get out your system in time for a successful pct

 

[Southern spawn]

Definitely keep the updates coming.
I have to run low doses my self but it's worth it to me even at low doses 20m, I get relief. I'm definitely sensitive to estrogen even when taking TRT, my nips get so sore. I have to run a little dro. In all my cycles. Everyone's bodies act differently you know this , so I would keep lowering your dose till you find that sweet spot . If you can run lower doses and benefit from it ,he'll that's money in the bank .

 

[BBiceps]

Definitely keep the updates coming.
I have to run low doses my self but it's worth it to me even at low doses 20m, I get relief. I'm definitely sensitive to estrogen even when taking TRT, my nips get so sore. I have to run a little dro. In all my cycles. Everyone's bodies act differently you know this , so I would keep lowering your dose till you find that sweet spot . If you can run lower doses and benefit from it ,he'll that's money in the bank .

Interesting, my Deca is 300mg/ml so 0.2 is 60mg, I could try 0.1 = 30mg, you think that will be enough? My body/knees do feel a little smoother but I’m about to give up because of estro spikes I get. I can live with a little high estro but when it gets out of control it messes with my sleep and I can’t sleep no matter what I do… right now I take way more AI than I normally would do on this amount of Test/Mast.

 

[Hyde]

Interesting, my Deca is 300mg/ml so 0.2 is 60mg, I could try 0.1 = 30mg, you think that will be enough? My body/knees do feel a little smoother but I’m about to give up because of estro spikes I get. I can live with a little high estro but when it gets out of control it messes with my sleep and I can’t sleep no matter what I do… right now I take way more AI than I normally would do on this amount of Test/Mast.

How frequently are you administering your shots right now? Daily makes such a big difference in aromatization for me. Cyp also isn’t as wet for me as test enanthate.

 

[BBiceps]

How frequently are you administering your shots right now? Daily makes such a big difference in aromatization for me. Cyp also isn’t as wet for me as test enanthate.

The Test/Mast 2x week and Deca 1x on a separate day, I was hoping that would keep the estro spikes down but it doesn’t seem to work. Normally I would use very minimal AI on Test/Mast 2x week. Idk, I’ll ride it out for another week or so before I decide if I’m dropping it.

 

[Hyde]

The Test/Mast 2x week and Deca 1x on a separate day, I was hoping that would keep the estro spikes down but it doesn’t seem to work. Normally I would use very minimal AI on Test/Mast 2x week. Idk, I’ll ride it out for another week or so before I decide if I’m dropping it.

You could try mixing all your gear and going to 3x/wk or eod shots if you want to lower AI use.

 

[Southern spawn]

Interesting, my Deca is 300mg/ml so 0.2 is 60mg, I could try 0.1 = 30mg, you think that will be enough? My body/knees do feel a little smoother but I’m about to give up because of estro spikes I get. I can live with a little high estro but when it gets out of control it messes with my sleep and I can’t sleep no matter what I do… right now I take way more AI than I normally would do on this amount of Test/Mast.

I would try lowering all AI if it's more than normal for you. Pin it at the same time , if it's test E run it every 3days, Also it might not be estrogen your battling it could very well be proges+estrogen, you could try something like Primobolan to help.
I Recommend a book called anabolics. best sorce in the world on AS use,, I have had it on my kindle for years ,

 

[BBiceps]

I would try lowering all AI if it's more than normal for you. Pin it at the same time , if it's test E run it every 3days, Also it might not be estrogen your battling it could very well be proges+estrogen, you could try something like Primobolan to help.
I Recommend a book called anabolics. best sorce in the world on AS use,, I have had it on my kindle for years ,

The reason I think it’s estrogen related sides and not progesterone is because if I take anastrozole I’m back to normal. Funny you say Primo, I just added some.

 

[Hyde]

The reason I think it’s estrogen related sides and not progesterone is because if I take anastrozole I’m back to normal. Funny you say Primo, I just added some.

Prolactin can’t elevate as significantly if estrogen is controlled.

If you keep estrogen tied down, you will not achieve the same levels of prolactin in a given anabolic stack scenario. People think it’s one or the other because 19-Nors act on the PR, but everyone with common sense who’s ran one realizes sides decrease if they use more estrogen control.

That’s not to say P5P or Caber aren’t necessary for some at times; I use both as necessary when necessary for me. But it’s often better with a multi-pronged approach of managing both.