8 Week cut. Looking for suggestions

[jtgoshaff]

I am planning an 8-week cut to try to continue leaning up. I need to come up with a cardio plan and fine tune diet and supplementation. I am wondering what things would help most for assisting with the fat loss/ muscle retention during the cut, maybe even adding some energy.

A little background information. I have been on a fitness journey since 2022. Coming down from 300 to 200. My goal is to get very lean close to 10% BF. I got to about 220 without any support but after hitting that, I have tried various PHs, supplements (almost all stuff researched on here), peptides and prescriptions that has helped me get down to 194 lowest but currently sitting around 200. My goal over the course of the 8 week cut would be to reach 185 or lower and maintain as much muscle and strength as possible of course.

I have never really done fasted cardio so I am thinking about adding in some morning runs 2-3 days a week. I track my food intake with macrofactor and training with RP Hypertrophy. I lift 4 days a week and do kickboxing classes twice a week. Sit in a sauna daily for about 20-25 minutes as well. I know diet is going to be key for fat loss. My current suggested macros from MF are 2248 Calories 216 Protein 49 Fat 233 Carbs. Open to any suggestions in addition to supplements and peptides.

Currently taking
Enclomiphene 25mg/day
Taladafil 5mg/day
tirzepatide 7.5mg/week
Supplements- Creatine HCL, Fish Oil 4G, Anabolic Effect, Alpha One, Prime XT, ZMA, Vitamin D, Multi Vitamin

I am currently looking at
CJC/IPA
L-Carnitine Injectable
Alpha Yohimbe
Methylene blue
Other supplements/peptides that could assist

 

[Hyde]

Fasted cardio with alpha Yohimbine to tolerance and 4-500mg injected L-carnitine prior are definitely winners I was going to mention.

Another research compound worth mentioning for sure is SLUPP. 500mcg prior to cardio or exercise most days of the week will help. MA Research has this as well as the L-Carn. 7-Keto DHEA as well if money is no option.

There’s a few other supplements that could help rate of fatloss during fasted cardio or training. Green tea extract from NOW is one that’s great as a health supp too. There are others, but not too many individual ingredients besides that I feel are worth chasing down so - I prefer fatburner blends from SNS & CEL that offer a handful of things formulated synergistically. At some point, you don’t want to open more bottles just to get on with your morning routine, so things like Thermagize XT are nice for just one bottle with a lot of goodies.

Lastly, you can lean on things like ephedrine and low dose clenbuterol for final pushes, but they can leave you feeling strung out & your heart overworked, so I would consider them last. They are useful tools - ephedrine moreso if appetite gets really bad, Clen is the better metabolic increaser. But these tend to cost health, and once you pull them you lose the extra calories they were burning. Meanwhile the other stuff mentioned tends to improve health and facilitate better utilization of your stored fat when you’re in a deficit.

PS - make sure you are getting enough iodine & selenium daily. This is a simple thing you can do to encourage optimal thyroid production year round. And enough active versions of vitamins in general - something like SNS Multi XT hits all of the above. Especially when calories get lower & diets less diverse, these help cover the basics better.

 

[BBiceps]

Have you looked into Reta and Tesa?
I’m not a believer in fasted cardio, unless you’re on steroids but it seems like you’re not interested in those.
How long have you been on this diet? It could be an idea to change it up and trying higher fat and lower carbs.

 

[Dustin07]

currently sitting around 200. My goal over the course of the 8 week cut would be to reach 185 or lower and maintain as much muscle and strength as possible of course.

I can't speak to injectibles or peptides, Hyde would definitely be your go to guy there. But I'm finishing up my cut, started at 203-205 and lowest point I've seen so far is 183. I might push to 180ish but been averaging 185. My stack has been

epiandro
m-test
anabolic xt
phosphatidic acid xt

With occasional TDs: XPG Carnitine preWO, 1 pump XPG epiandro on the shoulders in the morning. Occasional XPG Alpha Gel at night if I feel like I 'need' it. Its been a pretty simple cut. I do fast monday from Sunday dinner until Tuesday Lunch. I lift Tues/Weds/Thurs and Sunday. I do fasted Cardio monday. Most of my lifting days have a short cardio warm up (10 minutes) and light LISS postWO + 15 min in a sauna. I've incorporated short bouts of swimming here and there too (15 minutes postWO).

Like you said its gonna come down to nutrition. The reason I like fasting on Monday is it gives me a good reset for the week, substantial deficit. I save Saturdays for a datenight / surpluss with my wife, then hit heavy bench on Sundays. this has been a very maintainable approach for me this year. I'm just about getting ready to switch over to maintenance though and when I do, I'll probably change my lifting to Sunday/Monday, Weds/Thurs, or something like that.

I haven't seen any negatives from lifting or cardio fasted. I think the phosphaticid acid xt has helped maintain pretty sick pumps despite glyco depletion. I get a light caloric surplus weds nights in the middle of my 3 day in a row lifting week. and I stay about 80%+ tight on the weekend. The monday fast is programmed in to allow weekend fudge room but like even this weekend date night was a sirloin steak. just a fairly lean steak on a bed of veggies with no dressing so its not like I'm eating philly cheesesteak and tots with a beer.

 

[jtgoshaff]

Have you looked into Reta and Tesa?
I’m not a believer in fasted cardio, unless you’re on steroids but it seems like you’re not interested in those.
How long have you been on this diet? It could be an idea to change it up and trying higher fat and lower carbs.

I have considered reta but everything I read about tesa is that it is more expensive than CJC and similar results. I am currently buying from telehealth companies, so the prices are expensive. My wife doesn't like the thought of me using grey market stuff so I have had to find telehealth that offers prescriptions for these as of right now so reta would be $$$$. If I could just buy off MA that would make my life much easier.

I am just now getting back to dieting after taking a month off. I got down to 194 on my last cut and then went on vacation and relaxed a bit but ready to start back up now.

 

[jtgoshaff]

Fasted cardio with alpha Yohimbine to tolerance and 4-500mg injected L-carnitine prior are definitely winners I was going to mention.

Another research compound worth mentioning for sure is SLUPP. 500mcg prior to cardio or exercise most days of the week will help. MA Research has this as well as the L-Carn. 7-Keto DHEA as well if money is no option.

There’s a few other supplements that could help rate of fatloss during fasted cardio or training. Green tea extract from NOW is one that’s great as a health supp too. There are others, but not too many individual ingredients besides that I feel are worth chasing down so - I prefer fatburner blends from SNS & CEL that offer a handful of things formulated synergistically. At some point, you don’t want to open more bottles just to get on with your morning routine, so things like Thermagize XT are nice for just one bottle with a lot of goodies.

Lastly, you can lean on things like ephedrine and low dose clenbuterol for final pushes, but they can leave you feeling strung out & your heart overworked, so I would consider them last. They are useful tools - ephedrine moreso if appetite gets really bad, Clen is the better metabolic increaser. But these tend to cost health, and once you pull them you lose the extra calories they were burning. Meanwhile the other stuff mentioned tends to improve health and facilitate better utilization of your stored fat when you’re in a deficit.

PS - make sure you are getting enough iodine & selenium daily. This is a simple thing you can do to encourage optimal thyroid production year round. And enough active versions of vitamins in general - something like SNS Multi XT hits all of the above. Especially when calories get lower & diets less diverse, these help cover the basics better.

SNS Multi XT is the multi I am taking currently but only 2 pills per day. I tried slupp from BLR and didn't notice much of a difference. Do you think MA is more effective in the liquid form? at what doses would you recommend?

Could I take alpha yohimbe and thermagize together? Probably at different times?

Also, so you don't think the CJC IPA would be very beneficial in a cut?

I have read about clen but have been cautious to try it out and never used ephedrine before.

If I dont get CJC IPA, Ill have plenty to spend on other stuff so I could do carnitine, slu and thermagize /alpha yohimbe.

 

[jtgoshaff]

I can't speak to injectibles or peptides, Hyde would definitely be your go to guy there. But I'm finishing up my cut, started at 203-205 and lowest point I've seen so far is 183. I might push to 180ish but been averaging 185. My stack has been

epiandro
m-test
anabolic xt
phosphatidic acid xt

With occasional TDs: XPG Carnitine preWO, 1 pump XPG epiandro on the shoulders in the morning. Occasional XPG Alpha Gel at night if I feel like I 'need' it. Its been a pretty simple cut. I do fast monday from Sunday dinner until Tuesday Lunch. I lift Tues/Weds/Thurs and Sunday. I do fasted Cardio monday. Most of my lifting days have a short cardio warm up (10 minutes) and light LISS postWO + 15 min in a sauna. I've incorporated short bouts of swimming here and there too (15 minutes postWO).

Like you said its gonna come down to nutrition. The reason I like fasting on Monday is it gives me a good reset for the week, substantial deficit. I save Saturdays for a datenight / surpluss with my wife, then hit heavy bench on Sundays. this has been a very maintainable approach for me this year. I'm just about getting ready to switch over to maintenance though and when I do, I'll probably change my lifting to Sunday/Monday, Weds/Thurs, or something like that.

I haven't seen any negatives from lifting or cardio fasted. I think the phosphaticid acid xt has helped maintain pretty sick pumps despite glyco depletion. I get a light caloric surplus weds nights in the middle of my 3 day in a row lifting week. and I stay about 80%+ tight on the weekend. The monday fast is programmed in to allow weekend fudge room but like even this weekend date night was a sirloin steak. just a fairly lean steak on a bed of veggies with no dressing so its not like I'm eating philly cheesesteak and tots with a beer.

Have you used inj carnitine to compare to the TD? Do you feel the TD carnitine is effective?

I have used epiandro in the past and noticed an increase in muscle hardness and strength. Fasting on Mondays does seem like a good idea as I have a pretty similar routine. Eat pretty consistent Mon-friday, weekend out to eat with the family so a little looser on the diet than.

Sunday is also my heavy day at the gym, during the week I just do lunch time short workouts but Sunday I get 1hr-1.5 hr at the gym.

I am thinking about signing up for a 5K so I have a bit of motivation to start running more.

 

[Hyde]

SNS Multi XT is the multi I am taking currently but only 2 pills per day. I tried slupp from BLR and didn't notice much of a difference. Do you think MA is more effective in the liquid form? at what doses would you recommend?

Could I take alpha yohimbe and thermagize together? Probably at different times?

Also, so you don't think the CJC IPA would be very beneficial in a cut?

I have read about clen but have been cautious to try it out and never used ephedrine before.

If I dont get CJC IPA, Ill have plenty to spend on other stuff so I could do carnitine, slu and thermagize /alpha yohimbe.

You can stack the extra Yohimbine with Thermagize if you feel fine with them together.

I use 500mcg SLU lately preWO as a health supplement, but that to 1mg seems to be the common fatloss dose.

I don’t really believe in GH-releasing peptides. For the same price or cheaper you can get real HGH from a UGL, and a basic 2iu dose WILL trigger lypolysis as a medical fact. So adding that before bed or in the morning will improve your fatloss.

If you don’t want to source/use HGH, I understand, but you will spend more and pin 2-3x as often with GH peptides for a lesser result. Which is already not dramatic. But HGH will confer muscle fullness, sleep and joint comfort benefits too.

Better to get injectable carnitine and the supps in my opinion if you want something that helps. Plus then you don’t need the extra shots of the tesa or CJC or extra expense.

 

[jtgoshaff]

You can stack the extra Yohimbine with Thermagize if you feel fine with them together.

I use 500mcg SLU lately preWO as a health supplement, but that to 1mg seems to be the common fatloss dose.

I don’t really believe in GH-releasing peptides. For the same price or cheaper you can get real HGH from a UGL, and a basic 2iu dose WILL trigger lypolysis as a medical fact. So adding that before bed or in the morning will improve your fatloss.

If you don’t want to source/use HGH, I understand, but you will spend more and pin 2-3x as often with GH peptides for a lesser result. Which is already not dramatic. But HGH will confer muscle fullness, sleep and joint comfort benefits too.

Better to get injectable carnitine and the supps in my opinion if you want something that helps. Plus then you don’t need the extra shots of the tesa or CJC or extra expense.

Appreciate all the information.
I just ordered 2 bottles of 7 keto musclean, 2 bottles thermagize xt, 2 bottles of alpha yohimbe. I am going to order the carnitine and slu to add in as well.

Time to get shredded!

 

[Hyde]

Appreciate all the information.
I just ordered 2 bottles of 7 keto musclean, 2 bottles thermagize xt, 2 bottles of alpha yohimbe. I am going to order the carnitine and slu to add in as well.

Time to get shredded!

Nutrition and cardio have been mentioned, but just to reiterate, the net calorie balance you manipulate with them is everything as far as success.

The Yohimbine really only helps when fasted - otherwise, it’s just a stimulant and bloodflow agent. Which may help during workouts or what have you, but the best use is first thing with getting some activity in before breakfast. Which also helps better partition that first serving of nutrition as well. BUT if the calories don’t net negative over time, these supplements won’t get you leaner.

View them as very mild accelerants to a sound diet approach.

 

[BBiceps]

I have considered reta but everything I read about tesa is that it is more expensive than CJC and similar results. I am currently buying from telehealth companies, so the prices are expensive. My wife doesn't like the thought of me using grey market stuff so I have had to find telehealth that offers prescriptions for these as of right now so reta would be $$$$. If I could just buy off MA that would make my life much easier.

I am just now getting back to dieting after taking a month off. I got down to 194 on my last cut and then went on vacation and relaxed a bit but ready to start back up now.

Tesa seems better than CJC to me, especially for fatloss, and you can find quality for decent prices. I mean, do you have to tell your wife where you got it from and would she know the difference? I think Reta could be beneficial for you.

I’m using Reta and Tesa now and I’m losing fat without even trying or using it to lose fat or weight.

Btw I used SLU and I’m not sure it did anything. Heard if you mega dose it’ll do something but it’s not enough studies on it for me to want to do that. Won’t use again.

 

[Dustin07]

Have you used inj carnitine to compare to the TD? Do you feel the TD carnitine is effective?

I have used epiandro in the past and noticed an increase in muscle hardness and strength. Fasting on Mondays does seem like a good idea as I have a pretty similar routine. Eat pretty consistent Mon-friday, weekend out to eat with the family so a little looser on the diet than.

Sunday is also my heavy day at the gym, during the week I just do lunch time short workouts but Sunday I get 1hr-1.5 hr at the gym.

I am thinking about signing up for a 5K so I have a bit of motivation to start running more.

Thats funny, we sound pretty similar.
No, on inj, I have only used oral and TD and the TD is 10x stronger with zero of the stomach issues high does oral carnitine can cause. I agree on the epiandro, even if its just 1% improvement, it's noticeable. the PA XT adds massive firmness and pumps that surprises me when I'm depleted as well.

I used to run a lot of 5ks, a few every year but these days the running is just too hard on my feet so I am a bit more cautious with how I grab my cardio.

 

[Halfnattyman44]

I think you're on the right path here and have gotten good advice. Ephedrine (Primatene just from Walgreens) is a super cheap and easy addition as well. I have used that the last month of my last couple cuts and it really moves the needle. If injections or grey market stuff isn't an option I do like XPG L Carnitine as well. I'm sure it's a step down from injectable but it's better than oral. MA is a great company too though so I'd trust them. Lastly, bump that Multi to 4 /day and you won't regret it.

 

[jtgoshaff]

Nutrition and cardio have been mentioned, but just to reiterate, the net calorie balance you manipulate with them is everything as far as success.

The Yohimbine really only helps when fasted - otherwise, it’s just a stimulant and bloodflow agent. Which may help during workouts or what have you, but the best use is first thing with getting some activity in before breakfast. Which also helps better partition that first serving of nutrition as well. BUT if the calories don’t net negative over time, these supplements won’t get you leaner.

View them as very mild accelerants to a sound diet approach.

I bought two alpha yohimbe products both SNS. One is Yohimbe 2.5 and the other is Alpha Yohimbe 1.5mg. Which one of these should I take for fasted cardio?

I am going to start out shooting for two days a week fasted cardio. Maybe shoot for 7pm cut off for eating and do cardio about 6:45am-7am.

I went ahead and ordered some xpg L carnitine to add in also. I will likely get some injectable but it may take a couple weeks and this will get here in a few days.

So for my diet this is what I have currently or what an average day of eating looks like. My expenditure is between 2600-2800/day. Any recommendations you can make here?

Yesterday 2173 calories 203 Protein, 61 Fat 209 Carbs Macrofactor goal 2250 216P 49 F 233 C
Morning- Protein Shake, Chobani Zero Sugar yogurt, coffee
Preworkout- Fruit Usually banana, Rice cake
Post Workout/Lunch- meal prep - chicken protein pasta this week
Snack- Turkey Jerky stick, chobani zero sugar yogurt, second protein shake (Not necessarily all 3)
Dinner - Need to work on this, I eat with the family, and we go out to eat kind of often. So I tend to make some bad choices or eat in excess some of the times. Yesterday I ate a salad, two ribs, some pulled chicken and a fruit cup. Did decent here by picking healthier sides.

I am going to switch this over to a log for the next 8 weeks. I' ll post the link in here in case anyone wants to follow along and provide input. Appreciate everything so far guys.

 

[Dustin07]

I went ahead and ordered some xpg L carnitine to add in also. I will likely get some injectable but it may take a couple weeks and this will get here in a few days.

FWIW even though I don't really believe in spot reduction beyond bro science, I used to apply the carnitine to the shoulders and arms because it was an easy spot. lately I've been applying it to the stomach / abs area. Some people believe that target could help facilitate improved fat loss in the area. Jury's out on that one, not sure I believe it. however it does provide an icy hot sensation that I think improves my sweating at least. Plus the other theory is that if the skin is more penetrable in that area the carnitine may be delivered better, and I have no complaints there. Biggest benefits I experience aside from seemingly improved fat loss, is great pumps and endurance in the gym when using carnitine. Not a substitute for proper nutrition, but a helper when everything aligns.

Yesterday 2173 calories 203 Protein, 61 Fat 209 Carbs Macrofactor goal 2250 216P 49 F 233 C
Morning- Protein Shake, Chobani Zero Sugar yogurt, coffee
Preworkout- Fruit Usually banana, Rice cake
Post Workout/Lunch- meal prep - chicken protein pasta this week
Snack- Turkey Jerky stick, chobani zero sugar yogurt, second protein shake (Not necessarily all 3)
Dinner - Need to work on this, I eat with the family, and we go out to eat kind of often. So I tend to make some bad choices or eat in excess some of the times. Yesterday I ate a salad, two ribs, some pulled chicken and a fruit cup. Did decent here by picking healthier sides.

Well as they say the proof will be in the pudding if you stick to this plan and drop about 1lb per week on average then you know your baseline was right and your intake is accurate.

As far as dinners go, since our kids are mostly grown/out of the house and its just she and I we typically have fish twice a week. Often tilapia, but if we have it, will try to mix it up with salmon, cod, etc. all of these meals are combined with veggies. Usually we will chop up a bunch of brussels, broccoli, peppers, maybe carrots, add in whole cloves of garlic, sprinkle a little avocado oil on it, salt and pepper, then bake in the oven at 400f for about 40 minutes stirring once in the middle.

We have a favorite dive bar that we visit and when we are tightening up nutrition I almost always get their steak salad. Its a sirloin over a bed of greens with no dressing and no bread. It lacks starches, but the macros IMO are just fine for a night out and I can fill missing voids elsewhere in the day.

I also utilize fasting a lot. if I know we are going to be splurging tonight (like a baseball game or something) then I might use TRF and push off all my calories until that event. OR another favorite hack of mine is to live life a little more loose on the weekends (think 80/20) and then run a 36 fast on Mondays from after Sunday Dinner until mid morning or lunch on Tuesday. This has treated me very well in 2026.

 

[New guy]

I bought two alpha yohimbe products both SNS. One is Yohimbe 2.5 and the other is Alpha Yohimbe 1.5mg. Which one of these should I take for fasted cardio?

The Yohimbine 2.5 is Yohimbine HCL, slightly different from Alpha. Alpha Yohimbine is typically a little smoother and lasts a bit longer, HCL is a bit more aggressive. I like HCL before a workout personally. A cap of Yohimbine 2.5 and a cap of Muscle Addiction ECA (underrated supp in my opinion) preworkout was a killer budget combo for a cut. Gave good energy, mood elevation, thermogenic effect, no harsh crash. Also helped kill cravings when in a deficit. Taken on an empty stomach I’ll occasionally get an upset stomach but drinking a good amount of water after taking the caps keeps that at bay.

As far as Epiandro I am a huge fan of topical epi. Gives me really good aggression at the weights, hard pumps, and a confident feeling. Only side effect was mildly elevated blood pressure

 

[jtgoshaff]

FWIW even though I don't really believe in spot reduction beyond bro science, I used to apply the carnitine to the shoulders and arms because it was an easy spot. lately I've been applying it to the stomach / abs area. Some people believe that target could help facilitate improved fat loss in the area. Jury's out on that one, not sure I believe it. however it does provide an icy hot sensation that I think improves my sweating at least. Plus the other theory is that if the skin is more penetrable in that area the carnitine may be delivered better, and I have no complaints there. Biggest benefits I experience aside from seemingly improved fat loss, is great pumps and endurance in the gym when using carnitine. Not a substitute for proper nutrition, but a helper when everything aligns.




Well as they say the proof will be in the pudding if you stick to this plan and drop about 1lb per week on average then you know your baseline was right and your intake is accurate.

As far as dinners go, since our kids are mostly grown/out of the house and its just she and I we typically have fish twice a week. Often tilapia, but if we have it, will try to mix it up with salmon, cod, etc. all of these meals are combined with veggies. Usually we will chop up a bunch of brussels, broccoli, peppers, maybe carrots, add in whole cloves of garlic, sprinkle a little avocado oil on it, salt and pepper, then bake in the oven at 400f for about 40 minutes stirring once in the middle.

We have a favorite dive bar that we visit and when we are tightening up nutrition I almost always get their steak salad. Its a sirloin over a bed of greens with no dressing and no bread. It lacks starches, but the macros IMO are just fine for a night out and I can fill missing voids elsewhere in the day.

I also utilize fasting a lot. if I know we are going to be splurging tonight (like a baseball game or something) then I might use TRF and push off all my calories until that event. OR another favorite hack of mine is to live life a little more loose on the weekends (think 80/20) and then run a 36 fast on Mondays from after Sunday Dinner until mid morning or lunch on Tuesday. This has treated me very well in 2026.

How much of the carnitine are you using at a time? I am seriously considering adding in an extended fast each week. I said I was going to do that on my last cut for Mondays but never started, My concern is Sunday prior or Tuesday I may over eat to get used to it but it would add a substantial deficit if I could keep my macros the same throughout the week and fast successfully. Do you do cardio on Mondays as well?

My current gym routine is
Sunday Back and Biceps
Monday Off but going to start doing fasted cardio
Tuesday Chest and Triceps
Wednesday Walking and Kickboxing class
Thursday Legs
Friday Shoulders, traps, forearms
Saturday Fasted cardio Kickboxing class

I need to add some abs in my routine, I may add some machine ab crunches or ab rollers to two days of the workouts.

 

[jtgoshaff]

The Yohimbine 2.5 is Yohimbine HCL, slightly different from Alpha. Alpha Yohimbine is typically a little smoother and lasts a bit longer, HCL is a bit more aggressive. I like HCL before a workout personally. A cap of Yohimbine 2.5 and a cap of Muscle Addiction ECA (underrated supp in my opinion) preworkout was a killer budget combo for a cut. Gave good energy, mood elevation, thermogenic effect, no harsh crash. Also helped kill cravings when in a deficit. Taken on an empty stomach I’ll occasionally get an upset stomach but drinking a good amount of water after taking the caps keeps that at bay.

As far as Epiandro I am a huge fan of topical epi. Gives me really good aggression at the weights, hard pumps, and a confident feeling. Only side effect was mildly elevated blood pressure

I never tried Topical epi but need to get some before it is gone or even harder to find. I ran stanoplex and a few others up to about 900mg with no issues but some aggravation at times. I did notice increased muscle hardness and strength but didn't pay much attention to blood pressure back then. I am going to try alpha yohimbe for the fasted cardio tomorrow and will try the 2.5 Sunday before my workout to see how it treats me.

 

[Dustin07]

How much of the carnitine are you using at a time?

2 pumps. most people suggest preWO but I have found I do better spacing it out a few hrs before I lift. I tend to get winded easier and feel low blood sugar if I have it immediately preWO, even if I'm carbed up.

I am seriously considering adding in an extended fast each week. I said I was going to do that on my last cut for Mondays but never started, My concern is Sunday prior or Tuesday I may over eat to get used to it but it would add a substantial deficit if I could keep my macros the same throughout the week and fast successfully. Do you do cardio on Mondays as well?

Yes, typically 1 or 2 sessions of 30-40min liss depending on how serious my cut is. A couple years ago I did ADF (alternate day fasting) for the entire month of I think May. so half the days of that month I didn't eat. I dropped 10lbs and PR'd my deadlifts.

My current gym routine is
Sunday Back and Biceps
Monday Off but going to start doing fasted cardio
Tuesday Chest and Triceps
Wednesday Walking and Kickboxing class
Thursday Legs
Friday Shoulders, traps, forearms
Saturday Fasted cardio Kickboxing class

My cut this year:
Monday fasted cardio and sauna
Tueaday deadlift and back, break fast, psmf through March.
Weds arms day, TRF until lunch, slight surplus at dinner
Thursday lower day, PSMF
Friday, PSMF + cardio
Saturday, normal eating. farm work day. Date night with wife, carb up. usually steak + potatos
Sunday - bench day. carbs from Sat night dinner, carbs at breakfast.

That has worked really well for me this year. Now that I'm at the end of this cut I've switched things up with less fasting and more carbs to try to bring metabolism up, create more balance before vacation in May. Still doing my cardio. Monday has gone to TRF (20:4) instead of 36hr fast this week. In Mid May, I'll decide what to do, first half of may will be complete diet break.

 

[Hyde]

I can’t tolerate a Yohimbine HCL at all, but I can use a cap of Alpha Yohimbine. Either will be fine for fatloss, and either will help at any dose in the morning. I can benefit from 1mg A-Y.

That being said, if you tolerate HCL fine, you can take as much as you can tolerate. Some people find they can get up quite high with it, 15mg or such. DO NOT FIND OUT THE HARD WAY THIS ISN’T YOU.

Take one cap of either, and if you want more next time only add one cap of anything per session to assess.

 

[jtgoshaff]

Alright guys log is up if your interested in following or continuing to provide some feedback I am open to criticism and advice. https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/8-10-week-shred.340909/