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poison said:
You're a liar. The exact text:

"A person who intentionally causes the death of another with the aim of harming a citizen or resident of Israel, with the intent of rejecting the existence of the State of Israel — his sentence shall be death or life imprisonment, and only one of these penalties."

0 reference to Palestinian, and it covers the killing of Palestinian-Israelis by terror acts. Moreover, every other surrounding nation has the death sentence, including....Palestinians.

So kindly go **** yourself.
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the death penalty could only be carried out where the intention of the attack was to "negate the existence of the state of Israel".

That means somebody that isn't Israeli. Aka, a law against Palestinians.

Now, Israel attacks Palestine as a way to "negate the existence of Palestine" but no one would be killed under that law. So Israel is basically saying "**** you if you fight back, we'll label you a terrorist and execute you".

War criminals and war pigs to the very core. Not a single Christian among them
 
Jiigzz said:
the death penalty could only be carried out where the intention of the attack was to "negate the existence of the state of Israel".

That means somebody that isn't Israeli. Aka, a law against Palestinians.

Now, Israel attacks Palestine as a way to "negate the existence of Palestine" but no one would be killed under that law. So Israel is basically saying "**** you if you fight back, we'll label you a terrorist and execute you".

War criminals and war pigs to the very core. Not a single Christian among them
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Wrong answer. You assume every terrorist is Palestinian, which just highlights YOUR racism, and is also false, because hezbullah, isis, Iraqis, Japanese, Egyptian, Iranian, and many others have and do attack Israel with terrorist intent.

'Israel' also covers Muslims, Christians, Druze, bahai, and all the other sects, and every race and nationality in Israel...including the 20% of israelis that are Palestinian. So when a Hamas fuckstick kills a Palestinian Israeli, he could be hung for it....because he killed an israeli.

BTW, the bill was created by a woman who pregnant and driving with her husband, they were attacked, her husband killed. The killer was arrested, and later released, and he took part in Oct 7.

Yahya Sinwar, the head of Hamas who led the attack? He was released from Israeli prison and conducted the attack.

Previous Israeli policy created an incentive to take hostages. This new policy discourages it, both by threatening death, and removing the impetus to take hostages.

Don't be a terrorist **** and kill or take hostages, and you won't get hung.
 
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poison said:
Wrong answer. You assume every terrorist is Palestinian, which just highlights YOUR racism, and is also false, because hezbullah, isis, Iraqis, Japanese, Egyptian, Iranian, and many others have and do attack Israel with terrorist intent.

'Israel' also covers Muslims, Christians, Druze, bahai, and all the other sects, and every race and nationality in Israel...including the 20% of israelis that are Palestinian. So when a Hamas fuckstick kills a Palestinian Israeli, he could be hung for it....because he killed an israeli.

BTW, the bill was created by a woman who pregnant and driving with her husband, they were attacked, her husband killed. The killer was arrested, and later released, and he took part in Oct 7.

Yahya Sinwar, the head of Hamas who led the attack? He was released from Israeli prison and conducted the attack.

Previous Israeli policy created an incentive to take hostages. This new policy discourages it, both by threatening death, and removing the impetus to take hostages.

Don't be a terrorist **** and kill or take hostages, and you won't get hung.
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Will Israel kill itself for what it did to Gaza?

Every single IDF soldier who participated is a terrorist. Every. Single. One.

Noone has sympathy for those who feign Christianity or "war on terrorism" as a means of systemically conducted a genocide.

It was, and is, a land grab.

Plenty of videos out there showing citizens of Israel wanting the death of Palestinian children
 

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Wrong answer. You assume every terrorist is Palestinian, which just highlights YOUR racism, and is also false, because hezbullah, isis, Iraqis, Japanese, Egyptian, Iranian, and many others have and do attack Israel with terrorist intent.

'Israel' also covers Muslims, Christians, Druze, bahai, and all the other sects, and every race and nationality in Israel...including the 20% of israelis that are Palestinian. So when a Hamas fuckstick kills a Palestinian Israeli, he could be hung for it....because he killed an israeli.

BTW, the bill was created by a woman who pregnant and driving with her husband, they were attacked, her husband killed. The killer was arrested, and later released, and he took part in Oct 7.

Yahya Sinwar, the head of Hamas who led the attack? He was released from Israeli prison and conducted the attack.

Previous Israeli policy created an incentive to take hostages. This new policy discourages it, both by threatening death, and removing the impetus to take hostages.

Don't be a terrorist **** and kill or take hostages, and you won't get hung.
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"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas," Feiglin, a former member of the Israeli parliament (Knesset), told Israeli TV Channel 14.

"Every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory," he added.

-Definitely not a genocide, eh?

Thats who you're defending, child killers and a nation hell bent on playing victim
 
Jiigzz said:
Will Israel kill itself for what it did to Gaza?

Every single IDF soldier who participated is a terrorist. Every. Single. One.

Noone has sympathy for those who feign Christianity or "war on terrorism" as a means of systemically conducted a genocide.

It was, and is, a land grab.

Plenty of videos out there showing citizens of Israel wanting the death of Palestinian children
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I like the deflection. Your argument failed when faced with facts, so you switch to hyperbolic nonsense.

What precisely did Israel do to Gaza? In 2005, Israel unilaterally removed every Jew from Gaza, with military force, physically removing Israelis from lands they bought and paid for, against their will. They left all their homes, fields, and factories intact for Palestinians to use, and offered to train them to operate them. Gaza immediately razed the fields and factories and homes, held an election, and elected Hamas to lead Gaza, who then in turn went door to door pulling the competing Fatah out into the street and killing them. They then proceeded to spend 20 years, $50B in aid money or more, and kill thousands of Gazan sl;aves to build their network of tunnels and missiles. They then fired around 100,000 rockets into Israel over 20 years, conducted multiple cross border attacks, kidnapped and killed people, and held hostages.

All without a single fucking Jew in Gaza. Why can't there be Jews in Gaza? Why does Gaza have to be Juden-frei, when 20% of Israelis are Palestinian? Why is their slogan 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free', meaning all of Israel will be Jew-free? Why can't there be Gazan Jews, just like there are Israeli Palestinians?Given Gazans requirement there be no Jews in Gaza, who exactly perpetrated a Genocide?

What do Gaza, the Sinai, and Lebanon have in common? All were held by both Israel and by others at some time; in each case, Israel pulled out in hopes of peace.

Gaza became part of Israel when Egypt attacked Israel and lost; Israel gave it to the Palestinians in 2005. They used it as a weapon against Israelis. This forced Israel to now go in, clean it up, and create a buffer zone inside Gaza.

The Sinai became part of Israel when Egypt attacked Israel and lost. Israel returned it in return for a peace deal with Egypt, which holds until today.

Israel held a buffer zone in Lebanon from 1982-2000, because they were firing rockets and crossing the border to slaughter kids in their beds; Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. Hezbullah proceeded to build tunnels, missiles silos, and spend billions of $ to arm South Lebanon, against UN regulations, and attacked Israel thousands of times, including the 2006 Lebanon war. Now, because of the constant missile attacks, 100k Israelis have been forced out of their homes in N Israel since Oct 7, and haven't been able to return for almost 3 years now, so now Israel is back inside Lebanon to solve the problem once and for all.

Those are 3 examples of land for peace; 2 illustrate what happens when the other side does not want peace, instead utilizing the opportunity against Israel. One, the Sinai, demonstrates what happens when the other side upholds the agreement and acts like human beings. The lesson is simple:

The lesson for others is 'treat Israel fairly and Israel will reciprocate; attack Israel and Israel will end you'.

The lesson Israelis have learned is that giving up land for peace doesn't work in the case of Palestinians and Hezbullah, because they don't want peace. They only want dead Jews, 0 compromise.

You end with some ridiculous 'gotcha' as alleged proof there is a policy where Israel wants Palestinian kids dead, so here's my double super wazoo gotcha:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039149000465461446
https://twitter.com/x/status/1824822995237634275
https://twitter.com/x/status/1947931216709066892

www.hamas-massacre.net

You are supporting this. So, you're an asshole.
 
Jiigzz said:
"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas," Feiglin, a former member of the Israeli parliament (Knesset), told Israeli TV Channel 14.

"Every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory," he added.

-Definitely not a genocide, eh?

Thats who you're defending, child killers and a nation hell bent on playing victim
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One person opinion does not create a genocide. Again: Why is Gaza Jew-free? Why is Ramallah, Jenin, or any other Palestinian city Jew-free? Why does their 'river<>sea' slogan say they want all of ISrael to be Jew-free? Why are all Arab countries Jew-free?
Why is Israel the only one expected to host the other?
GALso7oWUAAKeIB


The only genocide is against the Jews.
 
Team Gaza supporters never talk about the footage from Oct 7th when Hamas terrorists wearing go-pro cameras FILMED THEMSELVES torturing and killing men, women, and children civilians during their rampage inside Israel.

Instead we just hear the conspiracy kooks talking about how it was the joooos fault (claiming Netanyahu "let" it happen.... etc)

Speaking of which... wasn't @Tunaking14 supposed to get back to me with facts to show his claim of 40-50 thousand US troops preparing to invade in a ground war was actually a real story?

It's always a strange claim-dodge-deflect game with the jew hating conspiracy kooks...
 
BamBam54 said:
Team Gaza supporters never talk about the footage from Oct 7th when Hamas terrorists wearing go-pro cameras FILMED THEMSELVES torturing and killing men, women, and children civilians during their rampage inside Israel.

Instead we just hear the conspiracy kooks talking about how it was the joooos fault (claiming Netanyahu "let" it happen.... etc)

Speaking of which... wasn't @Tunaking14 supposed to get back to me with facts to show his claim of 40-50 thousand US troops preparing to invade in a ground war was actually a real story?

It's always a strange claim-dodge-deflect game with the jew hating conspiracy kooks...
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Actually, Im just "Team Humanity," and I have talked about October the 7th, Hamass was well funded by Netenyahoo, this is on record now from recently leaked tapes right out of Netenyahoos, he smuggled over $1 billion US dollars through Qatar to empower them to cause division with Palestinians. Im defending the citizens of the occupied territory of Palestine (aka Israel) as much as those forced in a open air prison just because they are brown.

And I have well talked about how it is impossible for even a mosquito to cross the illegal Gaza-Palestine border, the occupied territory of Palestine led by Netenyahoo had advanced knowledge of Oct 7. He gave a stand down order. This was a power play on Netenyahoo's part the country was protesting against his dictatorial power grab and corruption.

Only a 13 yaer old stricken with the most severe down syndrome, blind crippled and crazy heavily addicted to dirty crack laced with Raid and bath salts believe the official story of Oct 7th.

That being said, even if your a sheep there is no justification with the occupying military of Palestine to pull off their policies of mass murder and mass destruction and continuing expansion of their illegal occupation of other people's homes.

And whats wrong with you? I thought you strongly opposed illegal immigration? WTFark????
 
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poison said:
The lesson Israelis have learned is that giving up land for peace doesn't work in the case of Palestinians and Hezbullah, because they don't want peace. They only want dead Jews, 0 compromise.
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If you were on the other side of the fence growing up as a kind with bombs being dropped all over you, your family blown up or starved to death, half your childhood friends your playing on the playground murdered by illegal aliens from Europe who consistently take away the land thats left and set up a open air prison led by a group funded by Netenyahu (on record via his own mouth!) with your passion Id bet you would be the first in line to strap on a suicide vest and blow shyt up.

The problem is your being mislead by your own government, a bunch of religious jihadi's who think some novel written 3,000 years ago equated to a property title and the land must be cleared for the "jews" (fake jews, Zionism isnt Judaism) so some flashlight can fall from the cloud. Ya'll sick religious jihadi's, no difference betwen top Zionist government officials, Osama Bin-Laden and Satan.

That being said it is what it is, it could have been better but its not, ya'll neocons failed and nobody believes they care, the wulf control the sheep. Nobody is buying the excuses for unjustified mass terror on innocent civilians, mass destruction of civilian infrastructure and land grabs along with modern execution chambers being built.

This is all going to backfire really really hard and truthfully I dont even want to see that day. Its up to the people living there to topple Netenyahu's regime (they tried before Oct 7th before the false flag event) that is the only chance they have to not being look upon and the Germans were in 1945.....better now than before the world takes justice and has the civilians visit the death camps run by their own governments with mass graves of brown children. Its never too late.
 
This is a super interesting hypothesis:

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The Hormuz Hypothesis – What If the U.S. Navy Isn’t in a Hurry to Reopen the Strait?

Analysis explores hypothesis that US Navy may not be rushing to reopen Strait of Hormuz despite commercial shipping paralysis.
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The real threat is not $200 oil. It’s a fracture of the system. It is cheap energy in export nations and ruinous energy costs in places far from reserves. It’s $2 oil in the Persain Gulf, $20 dollar oil in the Gulf of America and $2,000 oil in the UK.

I want to be transparent: this political analysis is speculative. The relationship between energy prices and voting behavior has fragile links. But the directional logic is clear, and I would bet the White House sees it.

What the Navy Is Telling You​

Look at what the Navy is doing. Or rather, not doing.

The U.S. Navy is in no rush to solve this problem. They are methodically, deliberately, taking their time. Army battalions are not mobilizing. The Marines called in from Japan are slow-steaming across the Pacific; it could be weeks until they are ready. Minesweepers are still far from the battlespace. Carriers are slowly rotating, not surging.

Someone at the top told them to take their time. That signal has to be coming from the White House.

Every day, approximately 1,000 trapped vessels are not available for charter. Every day, European energy dependence deepens. Every day, the DFC reinsurance facility becomes more central to the global shipping system. Every day, the case for concessions on tariffs, the IMO, Greenland, and the SHIPS Act becomes harder for Europe to refuse.

And what does the Navy get for playing along? Support for battleships and stronger allies willing to spend money building their own destroyers when it becomes clear to the world how weak their navies have become.

What I Am Arguing, and What I Am Not​

I am not arguing that Trump planned this from the beginning – The P&I club withdrawal was a cascading system failure that no central planner could have predicted or orchestrated – but it is possible.

What I am arguing is that the administration has, whether by design or adaptation, assembled the tools to exploit this moment. The DFC facility is the option. The incomplete P&I coverage is the strike price. The Jones Act waiver and Venezuela sanctions easing are hedge positions. The Navy’s deliberate pace is time decay working in America’s favor.

The strongest version of this thesis is not “Trump is playing 4D chess.” It is that the administration holds more options than anyone realizes, and the insurance mechanism, not the Navy, is the real lever of power.
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poison said:
This is a super interesting hypothesis:

gcaptain.com

The Hormuz Hypothesis – What If the U.S. Navy Isn’t in a Hurry to Reopen the Strait?

Analysis explores hypothesis that US Navy may not be rushing to reopen Strait of Hormuz despite commercial shipping paralysis.
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One major incentive not to rush and keep the crisis growing is Netenuyahu had already publicly announced his wish to have middle eastern pipelines going through Israel. Strategically prolonging it would create a higher demand for the plans. I dont think this was thought of overnight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2034709558006825399
 
poison said:
Wrong answer. You assume every terrorist is Palestinian, which just highlights YOUR racism, and is also false, because hezbullah, isis, Iraqis, Japanese, Egyptian, Iranian, and many others have and do attack Israel with terrorist intent.

'Israel' also covers Muslims, Christians, Druze, bahai, and all the other sects, and every race and nationality in Israel...including the 20% of israelis that are Palestinian. So when a Hamas fuckstick kills a Palestinian Israeli, he could be hung for it....because he killed an israeli.

BTW, the bill was created by a woman who pregnant and driving with her husband, they were attacked, her husband killed. The killer was arrested, and later released, and he took part in Oct 7.

Yahya Sinwar, the head of Hamas who led the attack? He was released from Israeli prison and conducted the attack.

Previous Israeli policy created an incentive to take hostages. This new policy discourages it, both by threatening death, and removing the impetus to take hostages.

Don't be a terrorist **** and kill or take hostages, and you won't get hung.
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BB funded Hamas you traitor
 
Tunaking14 said:
BB funded Hamas you traitor
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Try reading past the headlines.

No, Netanyahu did not personally "fund" Hamas with Israeli money.


However, yes, his governments (especially from 2018 onward) actively approved, facilitated, and at times encouraged large-scale financial transfers from Qatar to Hamas-ruled Gaza. This policy is well-documented and widely criticized inside Israel as a major strategic error that helped strengthen Hamas.


What Actually Happened​


  • Qatar sent over $1–1.8 billion to Gaza between roughly 2012 and 2023, with a significant increase after 2018.
  • From 2018 until just before October 7, 2023, Qatar transferred tens of millions per month (often $15–30 million monthly). Much of this arrived in literal suitcases of cash carried through Israeli-controlled crossings (with Israeli security approval and coordination).
  • Israel’s government under Netanyahu explicitly approved these transfers in cabinet meetings. Israeli officials (including Mossad) sometimes urged Qatar to continue or even increase the payments.
  • The money was officially intended for:
    • Civil servant salaries in Gaza
    • Humanitarian aid
    • Fuel and electricity payments
  • In practice, Hamas (which controls Gaza) diverted a significant portion to its military wing, tunnels, rockets, and leadership — something Israeli intelligence knew or suspected.
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Bibi allowed Qatar to fund humanitarian stuff in Gaza. I'm old enough to remember when (2 years ago) the whole world was pissed when Israel cut off humanitarian aid.

Which is it?
 
poison said:
Try reading past the headlines.

Bibi allowed Qatar to fund humanitarian stuff in Gaza. I'm old enough to remember when (2 years ago) the whole world was pissed when Israel cut off humanitarian aid.

Which is it?
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It wasnt to fund "humanitarian stuff in Gaza" it was smuggled directly to Hamass to cause division and chaos between the Palestini people.

Out of Netenyahu's own mouth from leaked investigation videos confirms what all us "tin foil hats" been stating for years.
“This is confidential and can’t be leaked, okay? We have neighbors here, sworn enemies. I’m constantly passing them messages. I confuse them, mislead them, lie to them, and then HIT them over their heads.”
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2037717030799856125
 
BamBam54 said:
Team Gaza supporters never talk about the footage from Oct 7th when Hamas terrorists wearing go-pro cameras FILMED THEMSELVES torturing and killing men, women, and children civilians during their rampage inside Israel.

Instead we just hear the conspiracy kooks talking about how it was the joooos fault (claiming Netanyahu "let" it happen.... etc)

Speaking of which... wasn't @Tunaking14 supposed to get back to me with facts to show his claim of 40-50 thousand US troops preparing to invade in a ground war was actually a real story?

It's always a strange claim-dodge-deflect game with the jew hating conspiracy kooks...
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Fking idiot- irs not some conspiracy
 

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Fking idiot- irs not some conspiracy
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Tuna -

Aren't you also the guy who said Trump was sending 40-50,000 troops in for a ground invasion??
Good chance you are just dumb and have no idea what you are reading or what anything actually means, getting EVERY story wrong.


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So where did you get this info that appears to be complete garbage (the 40-50k number you posted)???
It was a very specific claim. You said it.
Do you still stand by it?

Its a fine line between conspiracy kook and retard.... LOL
 
poison said:
I like the deflection. Your argument failed when faced with facts, so you switch to hyperbolic nonsense.

What precisely did Israel do to Gaza? In 2005, Israel unilaterally removed every Jew from Gaza, with military force, physically removing Israelis from lands they bought and paid for, against their will. They left all their homes, fields, and factories intact for Palestinians to use, and offered to train them to operate them. Gaza immediately razed the fields and factories and homes, held an election, and elected Hamas to lead Gaza, who then in turn went door to door pulling the competing Fatah out into the street and killing them. They then proceeded to spend 20 years, $50B in aid money or more, and kill thousands of Gazan sl;aves to build their network of tunnels and missiles. They then fired around 100,000 rockets into Israel over 20 years, conducted multiple cross border attacks, kidnapped and killed people, and held hostages.

All without a single fucking Jew in Gaza. Why can't there be Jews in Gaza? Why does Gaza have to be Juden-frei, when 20% of Israelis are Palestinian? Why is their slogan 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free', meaning all of Israel will be Jew-free? Why can't there be Gazan Jews, just like there are Israeli Palestinians?Given Gazans requirement there be no Jews in Gaza, who exactly perpetrated a Genocide?

What do Gaza, the Sinai, and Lebanon have in common? All were held by both Israel and by others at some time; in each case, Israel pulled out in hopes of peace.

Gaza became part of Israel when Egypt attacked Israel and lost; Israel gave it to the Palestinians in 2005. They used it as a weapon against Israelis. This forced Israel to now go in, clean it up, and create a buffer zone inside Gaza.

The Sinai became part of Israel when Egypt attacked Israel and lost. Israel returned it in return for a peace deal with Egypt, which holds until today.

Israel held a buffer zone in Lebanon from 1982-2000, because they were firing rockets and crossing the border to slaughter kids in their beds; Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. Hezbullah proceeded to build tunnels, missiles silos, and spend billions of $ to arm South Lebanon, against UN regulations, and attacked Israel thousands of times, including the 2006 Lebanon war. Now, because of the constant missile attacks, 100k Israelis have been forced out of their homes in N Israel since Oct 7, and haven't been able to return for almost 3 years now, so now Israel is back inside Lebanon to solve the problem once and for all.

Those are 3 examples of land for peace; 2 illustrate what happens when the other side does not want peace, instead utilizing the opportunity against Israel. One, the Sinai, demonstrates what happens when the other side upholds the agreement and acts like human beings. The lesson is simple:

The lesson for others is 'treat Israel fairly and Israel will reciprocate; attack Israel and Israel will end you'.

The lesson Israelis have learned is that giving up land for peace doesn't work in the case of Palestinians and Hezbullah, because they don't want peace. They only want dead Jews, 0 compromise.

You end with some ridiculous 'gotcha' as alleged proof there is a policy where Israel wants Palestinian kids dead, so here's my double super wazoo gotcha:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039149000465461446
https://twitter.com/x/status/1824822995237634275
https://twitter.com/x/status/1947931216709066892

www.hamas-massacre.net

You are supporting this. So, you're an asshole.
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Wtf are you talking about.

Prior to 1948, Israel did not exist. It was mandatory Palestine. In the 1948 Palestine war, Zionists conquered all of the area they were allocated, but also 60% of land allocated as Arab states.

Not long after Zionists launched an expulsion campaign against nearly 1,000,000 Palestinians were displaced, and Zionists actively destroyed nearly 600 Palestinian villages. Israelis also poisoned water wells (Deir Yassin massacre, anyone?). In 1947-1949, Israel ethnically cleansed nearly 90% of Palestinians at that time.

Then israel in true fashion passed laws preventing Palestinians right of return to land taken from them, which remains part of the issues today.

TlDR; so yes, Israel is known for genocides against Palestinians and yet it is Israel who plays the victim?

Can you look up any official Israeli records for the Deir Yassin massacre?

The world needs to fight back against the Zionists. Biggest war mongering, genocidal perpetrators backed by the western world
 
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It wasnt to fund "humanitarian stuff in Gaza" it was smuggled directly to Hamass to cause division and chaos between the Palestini people.

Out of Netenyahu's own mouth from leaked investigation videos confirms what all us "tin foil hats" been stating for years.
“This is confidential and can’t be leaked, okay? We have neighbors here, sworn enemies. I’m constantly passing them messages. I confuse them, mislead them, lie to them, and then HIT them over their heads.”
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But it was for humanitarian use. Netanyahu using disinformation and misdirection against enemies should not surprise anyone, but that's a separate issue. Everyone does that, including Hamas.

 
poison said:
This is a super interesting hypothesis:

gcaptain.com

The Hormuz Hypothesis – What If the U.S. Navy Isn’t in a Hurry to Reopen the Strait?

Analysis explores hypothesis that US Navy may not be rushing to reopen Strait of Hormuz despite commercial shipping paralysis.
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poison said:
This is a super interesting hypothesis:

gcaptain.com

The Hormuz Hypothesis – What If the U.S. Navy Isn’t in a Hurry to Reopen the Strait?

Analysis explores hypothesis that US Navy may not be rushing to reopen Strait of Hormuz despite commercial shipping paralysis.
gcaptain.com gcaptain.com
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It’s says what I’m fixing to say but never actually says it:

This war, grabbing Maduro, etc is 100% about oil. BRICS countries are trying to get rid of the petroleum dollar- if the petro dollar goes away then America will crumble like the Roman Empire - if been involved overseas in the oilfield for 30 years- it’s always about the oil. We overthrew Iran in 1953 because of it- if our leaders would just admit that, more people would get onboard- it was never because Iran was a threat or Venezuela was performing “narco terrorism” lol!!! And yet people like Poison and Bam fall for the trap hook, line, and sinker. Nobody here that I’ve seen is taking up for the Palestinians - not even Ax- but I can tell you this Palestinian terrorist, Hamas , hezbollah, etc. are shitstains

Zionist Jews are shitstains

2 wrongs don’t make a right-

It would be fine with me if they nuked each other and turned both countries into glass……

90% of the problems in the world are because all these sand apes can’t get along… it’s as simple as that.

Like two kids…he hit me first…no he hit me first…. It never stops until you slap the **** out of BOTH of them
 
BamBam54 said:
Tuna -

Aren't you also the guy who said Trump was sending 40-50,000 troops in for a ground invasion??
Good chance you are just dumb and have no idea what you are reading or what anything actually means, getting EVERY story wrong.


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So where did you get this info that appears to be complete garbage (the 40-50k number you posted)???
It was a very specific claim. You said it.
Do you still stand by it?

Its a fine line between conspiracy kook and retard.... LOL
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It’s all over the news dumbazz- he mobilized between 40-50K troops- he’s preparing to take Kharng island but everyone else is advising him not to- time will tell if he listens- I hope they don’t because things will get way worse. Maybe he’ll come to his sense like he did with firing Bondi’s dumbass- Kash needs to go next
 

The ayatollas son in Feb '26:' the Israelis know we will erase them if we have the chance'

Iran planned and pulled the trigger on Oct 7. Iran trained and funded Hamas and hezbullah. Iran only a few weeks ago sent ircg to Lebanon to initiate the current violence. They call the shots, because they own Hamas and hezbullah.

Now you know who is actually genocidal.
 
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poison said:

The ayatollas son in Feb '26:' the Israelis know we will rease them if we have the chance'

Iran planned and pulled the trigger on Oct 7. Iran trained and funded Hamas and hezbullah. Iran only a few weeks ago sent ircg to Lebanon to initiate the current violence. They call the shots, because they own Hamas and hezbullah.

Now you know who is actually genocidal.
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There is alot of hatred unlike I have ever seen before, very justifiably so towards Israel. Its getting worse by the day. Ya'll running out of chances to turn this around the entire world is gonna cave on that government some day. Your not going to win the world by genociding your way through this and countless atrocities with mass destruction of innocent civilian areas. You also have more enemies who directly lost their loved ones further spread than previous times before, odds of a catastrophic incident in Israel are increasing, and Im not talking about staged incidents such as Oct the 7th, if or if it happened the way most people suspect doesnt even matter at this stage. Even if official story is true, people stopped thinking about that along time ago and its all the fault of the governments policies, a nation of true victims (false flag or not, peopel died) are now looked at as the modern day Nazi's.
 
ax1 said:
There is alot of hatred unlike I have ever seen before, very justifiably so towards Israel. Its getting worse by the day. Ya'll running out of chances to turn this around the entire world is gonna cave on that government some day. Your not going to win the world by genociding your way through this and countless atrocities with mass destruction of innocent civilian areas. You also have more enemies who directly lost their loved ones further spread than previous times before, odds of a catastrophic incident in Israel are increasing, and Im not talking about staged incidents such as Oct the 7th, if or if it happened the way most people suspect doesnt even matter at this stage. Even if official story is true, people stopped thinking about that along time ago and its all the fault of the governments policies, a nation of true victims (false flag or not, peopel died) are now looked at as the modern day Nazi's.
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You can say 'genocide' as many times as you want; repeating a lie does not make it true.

And nah, I'm done, WE'RE done apologizing. We're here, we exist, Israel exists. **** the world and your lies. Why should we feel the need to win the approval of those who hate us? Keep hating, we'll keep winning like we have for 4k years, with one difference: we have a home, and we are strong.
 
Tunaking14 said:
It’s all over the news dumbazz- he mobilized between 40-50K troops- he’s preparing to take Kharng island but everyone else is advising him not to- time will tell if he listens- I hope they don’t because things will get way worse. Maybe he’ll come to his sense like he did with firing Bondi’s dumbass- Kash needs to go next
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No, dummy.
You got the story wrong (again) which is why I called you on it.
Because you aren't very bright and don't read carefully... which is also why you believe dumb conspiracy stories!

And why you were not able to actually post anything that confirmed your '40-50k mobilized' bullsh1t.
"Its all over the news" is not an answer. Show the news if its true. Should be easy, its all over the news. LOL


Pay attention -

The ENTIRE number of US troops in the ENTIRE mid-east region is 40-50k. Counting ALL of the bases in ALL of the countries in the region.

Trump is mobilizing some 5000 or so ground combat troops (the 31st Marine MEU and 82nd Army Airborne) into the region to prepare for targeted/strategic strikes (such as Kharg Island, or those little islands in the narrow Strait, etc.).

But my point is that you get your dopey news from youtube/rumble, you get it wrong, and then you post exaggerated misinformation to spin a black pill/doomer narrative that plays right into the enemies hands. Wake up!!
 
poison said:
You can say 'genocide' as many times as you want; repeating a lie does not make it true.

And nah, I'm done, WE'RE done apologizing. We're here, we exist, Israel exists. **** the world and your lies. Why should we feel the need to win the approval of those who hate us? Keep hating, we'll keep winning like we have for 4k years, with one difference: we have a home, and we are strong.
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The reason to feel the need to win the approval is due to that some day justice will be served on those who harmed others, if not justice the mass muder will be revenged (imo support justice not revenge,) what goes around comes around. Your all in an endless loophole with no solutions and bad ideas led by corrupt evil religious jihadi’s. You will be all fully responsible for your own downfalls. If not here by the laws of your own Torah.

But the reason I speak against unapologetic mass murdering racist Zionists and American war mongering profiteering blood thirsty Neocons is this:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

-First They Came by Pastor Martin Niemöller
 
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poison said:

The ayatollas son in Feb '26:' the Israelis know we will erase them if we have the chance'

Iran planned and pulled the trigger on Oct 7. Iran trained and funded Hamas and hezbullah. Iran only a few weeks ago sent ircg to Lebanon to initiate the current violence. They call the shots, because they own Hamas and hezbullah.

Now you know who is actually genocidal.
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Quick here's Hamas, bomb them!
 

How on earth anyone listens to this and think "yep, he's definitely not an idiot and definitely should be President" is beyond me.

He talks for 5 minutes about sharpies. And it doesn't even make sense
 
Jiigzz said:

Quick here's Hamas, bomb them!
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Yeah, the smiling girl was not coached in what to say to the cameraman in a 12sec soundbyte. For sure.

The amount of propaganda you believe is astonishing.

I wish no ill on children. When I was in the IDF, I was standing post in Hebron, a primarily Palestinian city. A kid walked up and said 'do you know what I want to be when I grow up? A terrorist, so I can kill people like you.' I had other experiences like that. He was 6 or 7 probably. I just wanted to give him a hug and buy him some candy. He didn't come up with that, someone told him to walk over and say that to me. I wonder where he is today....
 
poison said:
Yeah, the smiling girl was not coached in what to say to the cameraman in a 12sec soundbyte. For sure.

The amount of propaganda you believe is astonishing.

I wish no ill on children. When I was in the IDF, I was standing post in Hebron, a primarily Palestinian city. A kid walked up and said 'do you know what I want to be when I grow up? A terrorist, so I can kill people like you.' I had other experiences like that. He was 6 or 7 probably. I just wanted to give him a hug and buy him some candy. He didn't come up with that, someone told him to walk over and say that to me. I wonder where he is today....
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Yeah, have some empathy, surely if you were born in an open air prison knowing your family's land was raped from them by Europeans through force, mass violence, genocide and wars being the passionate warrior I know you are you would be first in line to join the resistance.

Zionists, literally raping the land of people who have a different skin color than they have from the river to the sea.

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Jiigzz said:

Quick here's Hamas, bomb them!
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Im sure little 6 year old Poison the Palestine version be like, "gee I love the IDF, I always wanted my parents and sister to get bombed an go homeless, and then have my tent bombed too. Why people insulting me with their pity, fuqing liars, I love my life! I wanna be just like the IDF when I grow up and blow people up too!!! Well, Im not allowed, I have brown skin, oh well, I guess I just join Hamazz!!!"

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039854053568495786

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039669189921968334
 
ax1 said:
Yeah, have some empathy, surely if you were born in an open air prison knowing your family's land was raped from them by Europeans through force, mass violence, genocide and wars being the passionate warrior I know you are you would be first in line to join the resistance.

Zionists, literally raping the land of people who have a different skin color than they have from the river to the sea.

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Palestinians are Arabs. You know why Arabs are called Arabs? Because they're from Arabia. Do you know why the middle east is Muslim? Because of the Arab conquests. Who did they conquer? The Jews, in Israel.

Israeli Jews are Moroccan, Libyan, yemenite, polish, Russian, black Ethiopian, Cambodian, and more. Do you know why there are so many different colors of jew?

Because Jews were dispersed out of Israel and made their way to most places. But they all came from Israel. Who didn't originate in Israel?

Palestinians.

**** off.
 
poison said:
Palestinians are Arabs. You know why Arabs are called Arabs? Because they're from Arabia. Do you know why the middle east is Muslim? Because of the Arab conquests. Who did they conquer? The Jews, in Israel.

Israeli Jews are Moroccan, Libyan, yemenite, polish, Russian, black Ethiopian, Cambodian, and more. Do you know why there are so many different colors of jew?

Because Jews were dispersed out of Israel and made their way to most places. But they all came from Israel. Who didn't originate in Israel?

Palestinians.

**** off.
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"Who didnt originate in Israel?" .... first off this is just crazy talk, the people born there were born there all through people who were born there before the jews came and stole the land and continue to do so.

Thousands of years ago thats a really sad story, Alot of people all over the world were displaced, societies meshed, dispersed, went extinct, everybody has a story but Zionsits insist on making the world revolve around them and the world is now sick of it because you all use violence to have your way to redraw your biblical maps which is crazy.

I guess you assume you support Mexico using force through a barrel of a gun and taking Texas and Utah back? Can Native Americans rip me out of the house just because they were here first? NO....but if I put my house up for sale they can make an offer, thats the way the world works.

Try looking on Zillow or Realtor next time you want some property instead of using violence and force to take something and use some historical bullshyt to scam your way into the right of theft through force.

Palestinians are native to Levant, they actual are Semitic people.
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Ashkenazi Jews are European which makes you all now illegal alien invaders. Bible doest grant you property rights. The world would be a mess if people can just steal shyt through violence over some ancestor bullshyt.

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poison said:
Palestinians are Arabs. You know why Arabs are called Arabs? Because they're from Arabia. Do you know why the middle east is Muslim? Because of the Arab conquests. Who did they conquer? The Jews, in Israel.

Israeli Jews are Moroccan, Libyan, yemenite, polish, Russian, black Ethiopian, Cambodian, and more. Do you know why there are so many different colors of jew?

Because Jews were dispersed out of Israel and made their way to most places. But they all came from Israel. Who didn't originate in Israel?

Palestinians.

**** off.
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I got a better idea, since the world hates your country so much at levels not seen since WWII Germany, and being that Palestinies and Zionsists were to childish to figure it all out, why not fuq that whole idea of a 2 state solution and instead the world back Iran and we re-establish the Achaemenid Empire?

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poison said:
You can say 'genocide' as many times as you want; repeating a lie does not make it true.

And nah, I'm done, WE'RE done apologizing. We're here, we exist, Israel exists. **** the world and your lies. Why should we feel the need to win the approval of those who hate us? Keep hating, we'll keep winning like we have for 4k years, with one difference: we have a home, and we are strong.
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Poor Jew boy…playing victim while being a traitor and murderer. Your name fits you just right- Poison!
 
BamBam54 said:
No, dummy.
You got the story wrong (again) which is why I called you on it.
Because you aren't very bright and don't read carefully... which is also why you believe dumb conspiracy stories!

And why you were not able to actually post anything that confirmed your '40-50k mobilized' bullsh1t.
"Its all over the news" is not an answer. Show the news if its true. Should be easy, its all over the news. LOL


Pay attention -

The ENTIRE number of US troops in the ENTIRE mid-east region is 40-50k. Counting ALL of the bases in ALL of the countries in the region.

Trump is mobilizing some 5000 or so ground combat troops (the 31st Marine MEU and 82nd Army Airborne) into the region to prepare for targeted/strategic strikes (such as Kharg Island, or those little islands in the narrow Strait, etc.).

But my point is that you get your dopey news from youtube/rumble, you get it wrong, and then you post exaggerated misinformation to spin a black pill/doomer narrative that plays right into the enemies hands. Wake up!!
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Calm down Karen- they are actually mobilizing 10-13K more troops- they haven’t said how many will invade the island but they keep mentioning the 30k number every time this sunje t is approached- and right now there is over 80K mobilized in the Middle East…..you forget about the navy? You think you know more than what a lt colonel told me? You think they tell the public?
 
Tunaking14 said:
Bam is going to stroke out on this one….straight from the horses mouth….

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039881318679405000
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Tuna -

Again, you are not very bright and simply don't understand the words coming out of their mouths...



That astronaut clip said its the first time we're gonna send humans to the moon "AND" have humans in low earth orbit. Last time we went to the moon, we did not have humans on the ISS in low earth orbit at the same time. You conspiracy kooks are sooooo dumb. LOLOLOLOL


And here is the original phone call between the President and the astronauts on the moon. Note the delay between one talking and the other hearing..... BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE MOON

 
ax1 said:
"Who didnt originate in Israel?" .... first off this is just crazy talk, the people born there were born there all through people who were born there before the jews came and stole the land and continue to do so.

Thousands of years ago thats a really sad story, Alot of people all over the world were displaced, societies meshed, dispersed, went extinct, everybody has a story but Zionsits insist on making the world revolve around them and the world is now sick of it because you all use violence to have your way to redraw your biblical maps which is crazy.

I guess you assume you support Mexico using force through a barrel of a gun and taking Texas and Utah back? Can Native Americans rip me out of the house just because they were here first? NO....but if I put my house up for sale they can make an offer, thats the way the world works.

Try looking on Zillow or Realtor next time you want some property instead of using violence and force to take something and use some historical bullshyt to scam your way into the right of theft through force.

Palestinians are native to Levant, they actual are Semitic people.
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Ashkenazi Jews are European which makes you all now illegal alien invaders. Bible doest grant you property rights. The world would be a mess if people can just steal shyt through violence over some ancestor bullshyt.

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Did the Arabs invade themselves? Who were they attacking?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2040052507355820063

Oh.
 
Tunaking14 said:
Calm down Karen- they are actually mobilizing 10-13K more troops- they haven’t said how many will invade the island but they keep mentioning the 30k number every time this sunje t is approached- and right now there is over 80K mobilized in the Middle East…..you forget about the navy? You think you know more than what a lt colonel told me? You think they tell the public?
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Tuna -

The point here was that there was NEVER a news story about 40-50k ground forces invading Iran. You said there was. You said it was all over the news, but when asked for proof you had nothing. Because it never happened. You were flat-out wrong!

Do you ever stop to think how many of your other crazy conspiracy theories might come from your same reading/listening comprehension issues ?????

You keep saying dumb stuff like... "You think they tell the public?".
Wake up - YOU ARE THE PUBLIC !

If anyone currently serving tells a loud-mouth internet dummy like you actual military deployment plans, they need to go to prison!

You just blurt out dumb conspiracy theories about claimed stories you didn't actually read and don't honestly understand. Which is the root of all conspiracy theories.

If you kooks would once in a while just admit you got something wrong, it might make the other stories more believable. But if you are just pushing non-stop bullsh1t and never admit even your dopiest theories are ever wrong, you are just a laughing stock to be mocked.
 
Tunaking14 said:
Poor Jew boy…playing victim while being a traitor and murderer. Your name fits you just right- Poison!
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You are clearly illiterate, possibly an ESL student. What I wrote was the opposite of victimhood. You guys want Jews to be victims, and apologize for existing, but that's a wrap. No more.

You know nothing about me, nor what I did in the military, so how do you know I'm a murderer?

Poison was my call sign in the IDF.
 
ax1 said:
"Who didnt originate in Israel?" .... first off this is just crazy talk, the people born there were born there all through people who were born there before the jews came and stole the land and continue to do so.

Thousands of years ago thats a really sad story, Alot of people all over the world were displaced, societies meshed, dispersed, went extinct, everybody has a story but Zionsits insist on making the world revolve around them and the world is now sick of it because you all use violence to have your way to redraw your biblical maps which is crazy.

I guess you assume you support Mexico using force through a barrel of a gun and taking Texas and Utah back? Can Native Americans rip me out of the house just because they were here first? NO....but if I put my house up for sale they can make an offer, thats the way the world works.

Try looking on Zillow or Realtor next time you want some property instead of using violence and force to take something and use some historical bullshyt to scam your way into the right of theft through force.

Palestinians are native to Levant, they actual are Semitic people.
View attachment 259854

Ashkenazi Jews are European which makes you all now illegal alien invaders. Bible doest grant you property rights. The world would be a mess if people can just steal shyt through violence over some ancestor bullshyt.

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Have a serving of facts:

Ashkenazi Jews originated from ancient Jewish (Israelite/Judean) populations in the Levant (modern-day Israel and surrounding areas), who migrated to Europe, particularly through Italy, and formed a distinct community in the Rhineland (western Germany and northern France) around the 9th–10th centuries CE. They later migrated eastward into Central and Eastern Europe (especially Poland, Lithuania, and surrounding regions) from the 13th–16th centuries onward due to persecution, expulsions, and economic opportunities.


Genetic Evidence (Consensus from Modern Studies)​


Genetic studies, including ancient DNA from medieval Ashkenazi cemeteries (e.g., 14th-century Erfurt, Germany), show Ashkenazi Jews as a mixed population with two main ancestral components:


  • Levantine/Middle Eastern ancestry (roughly 30–60%, often estimated around 40–50% in autosomal DNA): This traces primarily to ancient Judean/Israelite populations. Paternal lines (Y-chromosome) are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern (haplogroups J and E predominant), consistent with Jewish males from the Levant.
  • European ancestry (roughly 40–70%, predominantly Southern European): Mostly from Mediterranean/Southern Europe (especially Italian-like sources), with smaller contributions from Western or Eastern Europe. Maternal lines (mtDNA) show a strong European signature, with ~40% tracing to four major "founding mothers" who lived in Europe ~1,000+ years ago. This suggests early admixture, likely through conversion or intermarriage with local European women, followed by strong endogamy (in-group marriage).

Key points from studies:


  • Ancient DNA reveals medieval Ashkenazi communities were more genetically diverse than today, with subgroups: one closer to modern Western Ashkenazim (higher Middle Eastern component) and another with more Eastern European ancestry.
  • A major "founder event" and population bottleneck occurred ~600–800 years ago, reducing diversity and explaining higher rates of certain genetic conditions in Ashkenazim today.
  • Admixture with Europeans happened mainly in Southern Europe (possibly Italy) before or around the time of migration to the Rhineland, with minor later input in Eastern Europe.

Historical Migration Path (Rhineland Hypothesis)​


This is the mainstream historical model, supported by genetics, archaeology, and records:


  1. Ancient Levant — Roots in ancient Judea/Israel. After Roman destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE) and later revolts, many Jews were exiled or enslaved and taken to the Roman Empire, including Italy.
  2. Roman/Byzantine Italy — Jewish communities thrived in southern and northern Italy for centuries. This served as a key bridge, with cultural and genetic admixture.
  3. Rhineland (9th–11th centuries) — Small groups of Jews migrated northward into the Holy Roman Empire (Germany/France), invited or tolerated under figures like Charlemagne. Communities flourished in cities like Mainz, Worms, and Speyer (the "ShUM" communities). This is where "Ashkenaz" (medieval Hebrew for Germany) emerged as a distinct identity, with Yiddish developing as a Germanic language with Hebrew and Slavic elements.
  4. Eastward Migration (12th–16th centuries onward) — Persecution during the Crusades, Black Death pogroms, and expulsions pushed many Ashkenazim eastward into the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where they were often welcomed for economic roles. By the 18th–19th centuries, the vast majority lived in Eastern Europe.

The Khazar Theory (Widely Debunked)​


Some older or fringe claims (e.g., popularized by Arthur Koestler or Eran Elhaik) suggested Ashkenazim descended mainly from the Khazars — a Turkic people in the Caucasus who may have partially converted to Judaism in the 8th–9th centuries. This has been repeatedly rejected by genetic studies:


  • No significant Caucasus, Turkic, or East Asian genetic signal matches Khazar origins in Ashkenazim.
  • Ashkenazim cluster genetically with other Jewish groups (Sephardic, etc.) and show clear Levantine + Southern European signals, not Central Asian/Turkic ones.
  • Linguistic (Yiddish has no Turkic roots), archaeological, and historical evidence also contradicts a mass Khazar origin.

Tiny traces of distant eastern ancestry in some models are negligible and more likely linked to broader migrations (e.g., via Great Moravia) than a Khazar founding population.


Summary​


Ashkenazi Jews are not "just Europeans" or "just Khazars" — they are a distinct ethno-religious group with deep Levantine Jewish roots blended with Southern European admixture during their early European history, followed by centuries of relative endogamy and eastward movement. Today, they comprise the largest Jewish ethnic division (~70–80% of world Jewry before the Holocaust; still the majority today). Their genetic profile reflects both ancient Middle Eastern origins and adaptation to medieval Europe.


This understanding comes from converging evidence in genetics (autosomal, uniparental markers, ancient DNA), history, linguistics, and archaeology.
 
poison said:
Have a serving of facts:

Ashkenazi Jews originated from ancient Jewish (Israelite/Judean) populations in the Levant (modern-day Israel and surrounding areas), who migrated to Europe, particularly through Italy, and formed a distinct community in the Rhineland (western Germany and northern France) around the 9th–10th centuries CE. They later migrated eastward into Central and Eastern Europe (especially Poland, Lithuania, and surrounding regions) from the 13th–16th centuries onward due to persecution, expulsions, and economic opportunities.


Genetic Evidence (Consensus from Modern Studies)​


Genetic studies, including ancient DNA from medieval Ashkenazi cemeteries (e.g., 14th-century Erfurt, Germany), show Ashkenazi Jews as a mixed population with two main ancestral components:


  • Levantine/Middle Eastern ancestry (roughly 30–60%, often estimated around 40–50% in autosomal DNA): This traces primarily to ancient Judean/Israelite populations. Paternal lines (Y-chromosome) are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern (haplogroups J and E predominant), consistent with Jewish males from the Levant.
  • European ancestry (roughly 40–70%, predominantly Southern European): Mostly from Mediterranean/Southern Europe (especially Italian-like sources), with smaller contributions from Western or Eastern Europe. Maternal lines (mtDNA) show a strong European signature, with ~40% tracing to four major "founding mothers" who lived in Europe ~1,000+ years ago. This suggests early admixture, likely through conversion or intermarriage with local European women, followed by strong endogamy (in-group marriage).

Key points from studies:


  • Ancient DNA reveals medieval Ashkenazi communities were more genetically diverse than today, with subgroups: one closer to modern Western Ashkenazim (higher Middle Eastern component) and another with more Eastern European ancestry.
  • A major "founder event" and population bottleneck occurred ~600–800 years ago, reducing diversity and explaining higher rates of certain genetic conditions in Ashkenazim today.
  • Admixture with Europeans happened mainly in Southern Europe (possibly Italy) before or around the time of migration to the Rhineland, with minor later input in Eastern Europe.

Historical Migration Path (Rhineland Hypothesis)​


This is the mainstream historical model, supported by genetics, archaeology, and records:


  1. Ancient Levant — Roots in ancient Judea/Israel. After Roman destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE) and later revolts, many Jews were exiled or enslaved and taken to the Roman Empire, including Italy.
  2. Roman/Byzantine Italy — Jewish communities thrived in southern and northern Italy for centuries. This served as a key bridge, with cultural and genetic admixture.
  3. Rhineland (9th–11th centuries) — Small groups of Jews migrated northward into the Holy Roman Empire (Germany/France), invited or tolerated under figures like Charlemagne. Communities flourished in cities like Mainz, Worms, and Speyer (the "ShUM" communities). This is where "Ashkenaz" (medieval Hebrew for Germany) emerged as a distinct identity, with Yiddish developing as a Germanic language with Hebrew and Slavic elements.
  4. Eastward Migration (12th–16th centuries onward) — Persecution during the Crusades, Black Death pogroms, and expulsions pushed many Ashkenazim eastward into the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where they were often welcomed for economic roles. By the 18th–19th centuries, the vast majority lived in Eastern Europe.

The Khazar Theory (Widely Debunked)​


Some older or fringe claims (e.g., popularized by Arthur Koestler or Eran Elhaik) suggested Ashkenazim descended mainly from the Khazars — a Turkic people in the Caucasus who may have partially converted to Judaism in the 8th–9th centuries. This has been repeatedly rejected by genetic studies:


  • No significant Caucasus, Turkic, or East Asian genetic signal matches Khazar origins in Ashkenazim.
  • Ashkenazim cluster genetically with other Jewish groups (Sephardic, etc.) and show clear Levantine + Southern European signals, not Central Asian/Turkic ones.
  • Linguistic (Yiddish has no Turkic roots), archaeological, and historical evidence also contradicts a mass Khazar origin.

Tiny traces of distant eastern ancestry in some models are negligible and more likely linked to broader migrations (e.g., via Great Moravia) than a Khazar founding population.


Summary​


Ashkenazi Jews are not "just Europeans" or "just Khazars" — they are a distinct ethno-religious group with deep Levantine Jewish roots blended with Southern European admixture during their early European history, followed by centuries of relative endogamy and eastward movement. Today, they comprise the largest Jewish ethnic division (~70–80% of world Jewry before the Holocaust; still the majority today). Their genetic profile reflects both ancient Middle Eastern origins and adaptation to medieval Europe.


This understanding comes from converging evidence in genetics (autosomal, uniparental markers, ancient DNA), history, linguistics, and archaeology.
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How you feeling about mid-terms? I know its the tiniest sample but I do know a handful of MAGA supporters (in real life, not just internetz) that wont be voting these mid-terms for anything MAGA anymore.

Other than the border that tightened up, what do you think has excited his the majority average voter this year thats going to get them motivated to vote "Republican" in the mid-terms?
 
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