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What should I expect from inj. AMP-5 / ATP / L-Carnitine blend?

AwakeningAlpha

AwakeningAlpha

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  • L-Carnitine: 400 mg/ml.
  • AMP-5: 100 mg/ml.
  • ATP: 50 mg/ml.
  • Choline: 25 mg/ml
  • Magnesium: 20 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hcl): 5 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin): 1,000 mcg/ml.
I picked up Mikes inj. L-Carnitine "AMP-Extreme" which includes AMP-5 and ATP plus the above ingredients. I love L-Carnitine, however I have never tried AMP-5 or ATP so I am curious what positive effects to expect? how they are best implemented? and what sides to watch out for/mitigate?

Anyone have any experience with this blend or with AMP or ATP?

Also forgive me if this is outside of Supplement Forum scope, I think L-carnitine is still considered a supplement but unsure about the others.
 
I've used all of those things except for amp-5. I'm interested to know how that effects people as I've got a few bottles of it I've been itching to try but never pulling the trigger on.

Most certainly you should have excess energy with this stack, I absolutely would take it pre-workout as well, I would assume you'd sweat a little bit more, be more focused and into your workout, and able to push on a little bit harder than you normally do.

I'm very interested in anybody with direct amp5 feedback or this stack as a whole
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
  • L-Carnitine: 400 mg/ml.
  • AMP-5: 100 mg/ml.
  • ATP: 50 mg/ml.
  • Choline: 25 mg/ml
  • Magnesium: 20 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hcl): 5 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin): 1,000 mcg/ml.
I picked up Mikes inj. L-Carnitine "AMP-Extreme" which includes AMP-5 and ATP plus the above ingredients. I love L-Carnitine, however I have never tried AMP-5 or ATP so I am curious what positive effects to expect? how they are best implemented? and what sides to watch out for/mitigate?

Anyone have any experience with this blend or with AMP or ATP?

Also forgive me if this is outside of Supplement Forum scope, I think L-carnitine is still considered a supplement but unsure about the others.
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And even though this is an injectable compound, I'm pretty sure every single thing on that list falls under supplement with the exception of the amp 5
 
3 days in and experienced:
  • Great all day energy despite halving usual dose of L-Carnitine
  • Slight neurotropic effects / mental drive and clarity
  • Mild increased body heat and sweating in the gym
  • Better endurance and mild strength increase while training
  • Seems to be helping with recovery from workouts
  • Could be a number of non correlated factors but slightly DECREASED pumps
    • (perhaps due to lowered BP)
    • only negative so far and not enough to outweigh positive
  • Pleasant tiredness creeps in in the evening so much so that I have fallen asleep much earlier than usual
    • So much so that I have fallen asleep at 730pm without my usual sleep sups
    • Better sleep quality
    • likely due to Magnesium and the other ingredients but worthy of note
    • very unexpected but helpful effect (especially for someone who struggles w sleep)
    • I will likely time it pre workout so that this effect hits later in evening
    • No tiredness for training seems to hit 5hours after administration
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
What would AMP-5 be classified as?
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Actually, it is naturally occurring, it's just on the band substance list. So it is natural but banned? Honestly, I'm not sure. Even though it's technically naturally occurring it's not considered a supplement and its only widely used for animals as far as I can tell.

It's a ergogenic aid, it increases blood flow and enhanced oxygen and nutrient delivery to the muscles but given that it's naturally occurring I have to assume that makes it Natty
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
  • L-Carnitine: 400 mg/ml.
  • AMP-5: 100 mg/ml.
  • ATP: 50 mg/ml.
  • Choline: 25 mg/ml
  • Magnesium: 20 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hcl): 5 mg/ml.
  • Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin): 1,000 mcg/ml.
I picked up Mikes inj. L-Carnitine "AMP-Extreme" which includes AMP-5 and ATP plus the above ingredients. I love L-Carnitine, however I have never tried AMP-5 or ATP so I am curious what positive effects to expect? how they are best implemented? and what sides to watch out for/mitigate?

Anyone have any experience with this blend or with AMP or ATP?

Also forgive me if this is outside of Supplement Forum scope, I think L-carnitine is still considered a supplement but unsure about the others.
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Do you know if AMP-5 is something very close to old Kynoselen or not?
 
poluvolo said:
Do you know if AMP-5 is something very close to old Kynoselen or not?
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"AMP-5 (Adenosine-5-monophosphate) is a potent natural vasodilator which increases blood circulation to both skeletal and cardiac muscle"

"KYNOSELEN. Active substance: Aspartic acid."

Similar animal cardiac uses but different ingredients I guess.

GOOGLE AI explanation :

"Adenosine-5-monophosphate (AMP) is a nucleotide that acts as a precursor to adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the primary energy currency in the body. In the context of bodybuilding and athletic performance, AMP is used to boost energy metabolism, increase vasodilation, and improve muscle recovery, often acting as a key signal for metabolic adaptation
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Key Bodybuilding Benefits of AMP
  • Enhanced Vasodilation: AMP is a potent vasodilator, which increases blood circulation to both cardiac and skeletal muscles. This increases the supply of oxygen and nutrients while enhancing the removal of waste products like lactic acid, which helps to delay muscle fatigue and cramping.
  • Energy Regulation (AMPK Activator): AMP activates 5' adenosine monophosphate-activated protein kinase (AMPK), a metabolic "fuel gauge" in skeletal muscle. Activating AMPK helps regulate energy, promotes fatty acid oxidation, and can increase insulin-independent glucose uptake.
  • Potential Body Composition Changes: In animal studies, dietary AMP supplementation has been shown to increase lean mass and reduce fat mass, suggesting it might aid in body composition remodeling by boosting thermogenesis and metabolic activity.
  • Improved Recovery: By improving blood flow and reducing inflammation, AMP and its related compounds (like ATP) may help with faster recovery post-exercise.
  • Increased Muscle Strength: Studies on related compounds (like 400mg of oral ATP) suggest that boosting this pathway can increase strength, power, and lean body mass, particularly in trained individuals. "
 
@Smont it sounds worth experimenting with when you are boxing more vs bulking (unless you need to lower BP)

I have backed way off my cardio after my hiking trip otherwise I'd let you know how it affects endurance. My lifting sessions have been 3 hrs though and seems like it is up.
 
I’m curious how this would work. Always looking for something new to try
 
DoorKnocks said:
Got the V2 version with Albuterol. Are you throwing yours in fridge or room temp?
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I fridge it though I am not sure it is necessary. No change in the liquid either way. I let it warm up before pinning though since there can be mild PIP. Albuterol should be fun add.
 
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UPDATE : I am comparing this AMP blend to L-Carnitine on its own since I have experience with both.
"(Adenosine-5-monophosphate 200 mg/mL) used in horses and dogs to enhance blood flow to skeletal and cardiac muscles, increase nutrient delivery, and reduce waste products like lactic acid"

PROS:
Improved endurance, slightly increased strength, all day energy, slightly improved recovery from training and between sets, greatly improved sleep and stress management (likely B, Mag and choline), cardio improved.

CONS:
It definitely affects gym pumps. Even when combined with tadalafil and pump products they are noticeably less in the gym. I am a pump whore so this may be a bigger negative to me than to those who require lowering BP on cycle or whatever. The right use case may find this a positive.

NOT NOTICING: alleged effects: improved body composition, fat burning, increase in muscle but it may be due to duration or mild dose.

@cheftepesh1 @Smont
 
dm83 said:
Do you have any updates on this? What doses did you try? Did you im or subq? Thanks!
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UPDATES: Lately, I have been running this on leg days, or hard cardio days, only - as this is when I am willing to sacrifice some pumps for the added recovery and endurance. (2-3 days a week) The other 4 days I run high dose pure L-carnintine so I can get into effective range. On leg/cardio days I do notice faster recovery and intensity - even strength. My legs have definitely made gains and I enjoy leg days more, despite being in a deficit. This is the strongest use case IMO.
Body composition wise I have maintained muscle mass and leaned out, but could attribute this to other supplementation, diet and training.
The magnesium and B vitamins also seem to help sleep which was previously always affected the night after leg day.

DOSING: I noticed the sweet spot to be .3 - .5 ml . Full 1 ml dosing seemed to lower BP too much for my liking during workout and I didn't notice much more endurance either. I always try to use L-Car IM just because it burns a little less and due to the volume of liquid.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
@Smont it sounds worth experimenting with when you are boxing more vs bulking (unless you need to lower BP)

I have backed way off my cardio after my hiking trip otherwise I'd let you know how it affects endurance. My lifting sessions have been 3 hrs though and seems like it is up.
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Weird, I haven't gotten any updates for this thread until today

Yes this would be good for the boxing and conditioning stuff, maybe explosive strength training. The lack of a pump would also extend the ability to train longer. Definitely would make it counter productive if you're doing high reps and chasing a pump though.

I just wanted to say that I noticed you said you're keeping this in the refrigerator, a dark place at room temperature is just fine I don't think it's supposed to be refrigerated, I also don't think refrigerating it is going to hurt it or render it ineffective, so........ Idk lol.
 
Smont said:
Weird, I haven't gotten any updates for this thread until today

Yes this would be good for the boxing and conditioning stuff, maybe explosive strength training. The lack of a pump would also extend the ability to train longer. Definitely would make it counter productive if you're doing high reps and chasing a pump though.

I just wanted to say that I noticed you said you're keeping this in the refrigerator, a dark place at room temperature is just fine I don't think it's supposed to be refrigerated, I also don't think refrigerating it is going to hurt it or render it ineffective, so........ Idk lol.
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Ya I have heard L-Carn is fine in cool dark space but I tend to refrigerate everything that can be. I will say the downside of this is slow draw and little more PIP.

Agree on your take "good for the boxing and conditioning stuff, maybe explosive strength training" and interested to see what you think of it if you ever try. The lack of pump comes in handy for long leg days or hiking / endurance training for sure.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Ya I have heard L-Carn is fine in cool dark space but I tend to refrigerate everything that can be. I will say the downside of this is slow draw and little more PIP.

Agree on your take "good for the boxing and conditioning stuff, maybe explosive strength training" and interested to see what you think of it if you ever try. The lack of pump comes in handy for long leg days or hiking / endurance training for sure.
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Il try to explain best I can.

Typically speaking, you heard wrong, it's not ok in a cool place, it needs to be refrigerated. But there's stuff added to it so it doesn't have to be refrigerated. Now in a situation where it didn't need to be refrigerated, like this situation, your getting no benefits from putting it in the fridge, so if the liquid gets thick, stop putting it in the fridge.

Now in your specific case where it's already been in the fridge, idk if it needs to stay there. But it doesn't need to be in the fridge any more then testosterone would need to be in the fridge. So next bottle, don't refrigerate it.
 
Smont said:
Il try to explain best I can.

Typically speaking, you heard wrong, it's not ok in a cool place, it needs to be refrigerated. But there's stuff added to it so it doesn't have to be refrigerated. Now in a situation where it didn't need to be refrigerated, like this situation, your getting no benefits from putting it in the fridge, so if the liquid gets thick, stop putting it in the fridge.

Now in your specific case where it's already been in the fridge, idk if it needs to stay there. But it doesn't need to be in the fridge any more then testosterone would need to be in the fridge. So next bottle, don't refrigerate it.
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I have taken l carn for years and have never refrigerated it. Never had an issue or anything. So I agree with smont.
 
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