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47 y/o considering Test Cyp + Deca + Anadrol, looking for safety advice

EricH224

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Hello,

I did testosterone cypionate at 150 mg twice a week, which is 300 mg total per week.

I did it for 5 months before, and that was 2 years ago.

Now I want to start again with testosterone cypionate, and also Deca-Durabolin, and also Anadrol pills.

I am 47 years old male.

Can someone please suggest the best dosage for all of these and how long to take them for in the safest way?

Before I do anything, I want to approach this as safely as possible. For those with experience, what health risks should I be most aware of with this combination, especially at my age?

What bloodwork and monitoring should I get before starting, during the cycle, and after?



And is what I’m looking to do very risky or not?



Thanks
 
Is it risky, not in general. But Deca is not the most user friendly, so it depends on how you handle the estrogen changes. Deca always presents the risk of ED if you let estrogen and prolactin get out of control.

Since your first cycle was test 300/week, I'd start this cycle with 300 test and I'd probably go 150-200 deca. Id wait about a month to see how I'm managing sides if Im getting any (probably won't) should have a AI on hand for sure. You can preload some (B6)- P5P as a precautionary measure for prolactin.

After a month or so if everything's going well, I'd probably up the doses before adding anadrol. Maybe something like 450 test and 200-300 deca and you could ride that out. I'd save the anadrol for the last 4 weeks.

An alternative approach is to use NPP instead of deca. That way you can pull it out faster if you get sides.

Another option is swap the deca for EQ at the same doses and you wouldn't likely need a AI for that
 
EricH224 said:
Hello,

I did testosterone cypionate at 150 mg twice a week, which is 300 mg total per week.

I did it for 5 months before, and that was 2 years ago.

Now I want to start again with testosterone cypionate, and also Deca-Durabolin, and also Anadrol pills.

I am 47 years old male.

Can someone please suggest the best dosage for all of these and how long to take them for in the safest way?

Before I do anything, I want to approach this as safely as possible. For those with experience, what health risks should I be most aware of with this combination, especially at my age?

What bloodwork and monitoring should I get before starting, during the cycle, and after?



And is what I’m looking to do very risky or not?



Thanks
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Please inform us about your strength gain results especially bench press and squat
 
Smont said:
Is it risky, not in general. But Deca is not the most user friendly, so it depends on how you handle the estrogen changes. Deca always presents the risk of ED if you let estrogen and prolactin get out of control.

Since your first cycle was test 300/week, I'd start this cycle with 300 test and I'd probably go 150-200 deca. Id wait about a month to see how I'm managing sides if Im getting any (probably won't) should have a AI on hand for sure. You can preload some (B6)- P5P as a precautionary measure for prolactin.

After a month or so if everything's going well, I'd probably up the doses before adding anadrol. Maybe something like 450 test and 200-300 deca and you could ride that out. I'd save the anadrol for the last 4 weeks.

An alternative approach is to use NPP instead of deca. That way you can pull it out faster if you get sides.

Another option is swap the deca for EQ at the same doses and you wouldn't likely need a AI for that
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Thanks so much for your advice and for taking the time to explain all that in detail.

I prefer to use the Deca that I already have instead of NPP, but I’m worried about Deca’s side effects, and I don’t have an AI, nor do I know where to get one.

I was considering doing only a 3-month cycle, with Test and Deca for the full 3 months, and Anadrol only for the first month, but you suggested that I should not do Anadrol at the start and should save it for the last month.
 
poluvolo said:
Please inform us about your strength gain results especially bench press and squat
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Thanks for your reply, last time I did get stronger, but I do not remember my exact bench and squat numbers. I mainly noticed overall strength improvement and better workouts.
 
Thanks in advance. I’d really appreciate hearing other people’s opinions and experiences on this as well.
 
I would hold off on doing anything above and beyond TRT doses of the cyp until you have a few extra things on hand. Namely a good AI as already mentioned. I did a run with NPP last year, and while it was fantastic I ran into some awful side effects at the very end. I remember thinking to myself “thank God I’m only waiting out the short ester and not the decanoate.”

Go ahead and read up on some of the horror stories with deca, guys who are waiting 18+ months to find their libido again. I’m not trying to scare you off the deca entirely, more just trying to impress how important it is to have ancillaries already on hand. I personally wont start any cycle without them and when including a 19-nor like nandrolone, that includes a dopamine agonist like cabergoline. The hope being you never need to use it, but it’s there if you do so you aren’t in a panic when it’s sold out everywhere in your moment of need.
 
Are you on trt or just cycling? If you are not on trt, consider holding off on decanoate and undecanoate esters. If you ask why, play around with the steroid plotter. You are going to have very low levels of nandrolone being released suppressing you months after the cycle, and nandrolone is very suppressive.
I sincerely believe that is why deca is so hard to recover from.
Not by some magical suppressive effects months after it left the system, but simply from the fact that it still didnt leave one's system.

Libido can always take a hit on cycle, mine does on test alone so there is that. Its not something that would prevent me from running deca. Some compounds may be worse than others but there is always risk.

I would opt for NPP alongside test if you feel you need that extra anabolism that test alone doesnt provide. The trouble is, if you use deca, you would definitely need to stop deca before test to give yourself chance of recovering.


If you arenon trt then disregard suppression concerns and I would go with @Smont 's advice.

Annadrol for the 2nd half of the cycle. Titrating up is the way to go instead of kickstarting. Not really sure if 3 compounds are necessary for the 2nd cycle, but i did hear great stories about anadrol being taken preworkout. Like literally doubling the reps on squat, so i understand the temptation.


bloods... again if on trt you probably do have a regular list of what you are checking. If not, i would expect lipids to skew, what you can do is lower the saturated fat and do some cardio. Watch hematocrit and blood pressure, blood pressure importance cannot be stressed enough.
 
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Thanks to everyone for your help. After reading all this, I think I’m going to avoid Deca. I guess I wasted my money on Deca for nothing 😂, but health is more important.

For now, I’ll stick with 150 mg of test cyp twice a week for 5 months. You mentioned that I should not take Anadrol in the first month. What would be the earliest time to start it? Would the second month be okay, since I only plan to take Anadrol for 1 month?
 
EricH224 said:
Thanks to everyone for your help. After reading all this, I think I’m going to avoid Deca. I guess I wasted my money on Deca for nothing 😂, but health is more important.

For now, I’ll stick with 150 mg of test cyp twice a week for 5 months. You mentioned that I should not take Anadrol in the first month. What would be the earliest time to start it? Would the second month be okay, since I only plan to take Anadrol for 1 month?
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You would want to take it the last month of your cycle and I'll explain to you why.

If you start a cycle on 300 mg of testosterone and that's what you're running for 5 weeks your cycle is never going to get any stronger. But as you make progression you need more gear. Now you may not need to raise her testosterone dosage because 300 mg might be enough to make you make continual gains. But if you start your cycle with the testosterone and an oral, and you only run the oral for one month and then you discontinue it and continue on your way with your 300 mg of testosterone, your cycle is getting weaker as it goes on and you're not going to continue to make progress. You want to start your cycles with the lowest doses necessary to make gains and increase your doses as your demand for more gear increases.

A much better way to start your cycle would be to pick the amount of testosterone that you want and gradually increase it when it's necessary to increase it. Later in your cycle when your gains stall out you put the anadrol in and now you're building muscle again and you're not spending your entire cycle with negative health markers from starting your cycle with an oral steroid. Also what if anadrol kills your appetite in the first 4 weeks of the cycle and you don't feel like eating. It doesn't matter how much gear you take you're not going to grow. And then after you stop the anadrol it's going to take a while before your appetite comes back. No I'm not saying you're going to lose your appetite but that's just another variable.


If this was my second cycle and I wanted to use testosterone and anadrol I might start test at 300, after about 6 to 8 weeks I might bump up to 450mg, when my progress falls out on 450 mg I would add my anadrol, once I finished my four weeks on anadrol I would end my cycle.

There's really no right way to run a cycle, there's a basic way but there's also a lot of personal preference and making notes of what works for you. But there are lots of counterproductive ways. And we want to not do things that are counter productive

Can you start your cycle with anadrol, absolutely you can do whatever you want. It will bring you some instant gratification but that instant gratification doesn't always translate to more results in the long run of your cycle, I and many others would argue it takes away from your total gains unless you continue to raise your dosages over the cycle.

Also, if you start your cycle with anadrol, your strength is going to go up over those first four weeks and then it's going to start going back down as soon as you discontinue the anadrol. That's going to suck when you hit higher numbers on week 4 then you're hitting on weak 8.

And if your goal is building long-term muscle mass, you should probably skip the anadrol altogether and use a different injectable because injectables build muscle in the long run way better than orals do. Or else give you a cosmetic look in a strength increase while you're on them and when you come off them it disappears. Now if you don't care about health at all I can make an argument that running 8 to 10 weeks of test and anadrol together would provide some big gains but you may end up battling high blood pressure s***** lipids and low appetite all cycle and then you're probably going to need a pretty long break afterwards as well
 
We need more information about what you are trying to achieve..
WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS ?
Are you trying to gain mass , or cut and lose fat.,
What are you stats , hight, weight , Body fat %. 🤔
With this information we could point you in the right direction, and even help suggest better gear and cycle.
I always like to suggest leaning out before bulking, makes the cutting cycle way easier,

Masteron/Primobolan (Lean Mass/Cutting) 8 weeks
Products: 20 mL 100 mg/mL drostanolone propionate/20 mL 100 mg/mL methenolone enanthate
200mg of mast and 200mg of primo for first 3weeks
300mg of mast and 300mg of primo next 4weeks
200mg of mast and 200mg of primo for the last week.

All Weeks: Cholesterol Support: Lipid Stabil (3 caps/day) and Fish Oil (4g/day)
This is an effective stack for hardening, cutting, and gaining lean muscle mass. Neither agent is capable of converting to estrogen, so this cycle should significantly elevate the androgen to estrogen ratio. This may assist in the breakdown of fat tissue, enhancing muscle definition. This stack should not present significant liver toxicity, although cholesterol ratios may be significantly altered in light of reduced estrogenic activity. this is a classic and it works well. One of my favorites with no SIDE-EFFECTS great strength gains hard muscle, one you can even play Around with adding a little test into
Or others . A great starting point .
 
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