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Is Beta ecdysterone effective?

andro-Grow432

andro-Grow432

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I'm highly interested in natural anabolics. Beta ecdysterone being one. I want to hear all opinions and cycles about it. How much strength/ size did you gain, less soreness? Also how would it compare to other natural anabolics. Definently plan on asking about more and different supplements in the future. But with much emerging data on beta ecdysterone supplements I'm highly interested in it's use and effectiveness
 
I've used this back around 2001-2004, if I recall when used correctly it should increase dietary protein conversion to muscle. I actually think I used it in a product back in 2003, but I have to look. It was probably the hot anabolic substance back then, the only natural one avail. I don't think it found to be ineffective or anything, I just think in America, the market shifted to "feel something" supplements - Pre-workouts and NO boosters took over. Actually, I'm sure that's what it was, MRI's NO2 came out in 2001.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I've used this back around 2001-2004, if I recall when used correctly it should increase dietary protein conversion to muscle. I actually think I used it in a product back in 2003, but I have to look. It was probably the hot anabolic substance back then, the only natural one avail. I don't think it found to be ineffective or anything, I just think in America, the market shifted to "feel something" supplements - Pre-workouts and NO boosters took over. Actually, I'm sure that's what it was, MRI's NO2 came out in 2001.
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How was your experience using it
 
i took a 10mg pure ecdysterone product sometime around 2018-2019ish called Ecdynize from the Brooklyn based company boldanic . i remember the tablets were small white tabs, i remember taking a large dose for a few bottles but did not notice much of anything from what i remember, i do remember having dry itchy skin from it(no rash). i did try their other product exubol which was a turkersterone and ecdysterone combo from what i remember and remember some strength gains but i had to stop due to itchy skin from what i remember. they had great packaging and quality of the bottle and the cardboard box it came in, almost reminded me of the packaging of spectra force research circa 2007
 
lanky said:
i took a 10mg pure ecdysterone product sometime around 2018-2019ish called Ecdynize from the Brooklyn based company boldanic . i remember the tablets were small white tabs, i remember taking a large dose for a few bottles but did not notice much of anything from what i remember, i do remember having dry itchy skin from it(no rash). i did try their other product exubol which was a turkersterone and ecdysterone combo from what i remember and remember some strength gains but i had to stop due to itchy skin from what i remember. they had great packaging and quality of the bottle and the cardboard box it came in, almost reminded me of the packaging of spectra force research circa 2007
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Interesting 🤔
 
i may have to revisit ecdysterone in the future, maybe in the past 7 years there have been better extractions and availability for quality raws for this substance.
 
I think that if standardized correctly and the companies meet label claims (and those are big if's) that it can be effective, but I don't think that it's better than other things that can be had for the same cost.

We use it in a product now that we are updating and may even use it in something else, but I think its better as part of a formula with other good ingredients than as a stand alone. We plan to come out with a stand alone in the near future that's a high % extract, but I still think its better as part of a good stack or in a formula.
 
andro-Grow432 said:
I'm highly interested in natural anabolics. Beta ecdysterone being one. I want to hear all opinions and cycles about it. How much strength/ size did you gain, less soreness? Also how would it compare to other natural anabolics. Definently plan on asking about more and different supplements in the future. But with much emerging data on beta ecdysterone supplements I'm highly interested in it's use and effectiveness
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I haven't seen any emerging data on beta ecedysterone, this stuff's been around as a supplement since the early 90's. It was popular in the 90s and then it lost popularity and then I saw it come up again in the early 2000s and then it seemed to disappeared for a while and come and go in the 2000's as well. To me it's always seemed like there was two groups of people, som of who were all about it and some who completely disregard it. Seeing how it has been around for 30years I would say it has to have some level of effectiveness or people wouldn't keep including it in their products. I don't think I've used it since high school so I can't really give you an honest opinion, I graduated 22 years ago, my memory is a bit rusty lol
 
lanky said:
i took a 10mg pure ecdysterone product sometime around 2018-2019ish called Ecdynize from the Brooklyn based company boldanic . i remember the tablets were small white tabs, i remember taking a large dose for a few bottles but did not notice much of anything from what i remember, i do remember having dry itchy skin from it(no rash). i did try their other product exubol which was a turkersterone and ecdysterone combo from what i remember and remember some strength gains but i had to stop due to itchy skin from what i remember. they had great packaging and quality of the bottle and the cardboard box it came in, almost reminded me of the packaging of spectra force research circa 2007
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Boldanic disppeared off this board years ago. They appeared at a time when there was alot of demand for ecdy and turk so they put into the market products that people wanted. I tried them and was not impressed, felt scammed, did not get any rash or itchy.
 
I like ecdy as a protein synthesis enhancer and pump product, especially in a cut. In that way it is anabolic - but really just as anabolic as your food intake. I take 1 tab Muscle Addiction ecdy with meals and/or 4-6 pumps topical ecdy from Apex Alchemy 2hrs PWO. IMO it is better than the new turk trend but less beneficial than peptistrong.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
I like ecdy as a protein synthesis enhancer and pump product, especially in a cut. In that way it is anabolic - but really just as anabolic as your food intake. I take 1 tab Muscle Addiction ecdy with meals and/or 4-6 pumps topical ecdy from Apex Alchemy 2hrs PWO. IMO it is better than the new turk trend but less beneficial than peptistrong.
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I did not know they made a topical ecdy...interesting
 
My experience of Ecdysterone derived from quinoa soaked in boiled water and then put into some beef mince soup. I mention quinoa as it's a grain full of Ecdysterone so it's definitely legit ecdy I was on. It helps with strength, it also helped me with muscle fullness. Was it a major help, it's not a steroid test pinning level help but it does help move the weights up a little and helped with libido. Muscle fullness wise it made me look more athletic and I lost alot of fat. I didn't realise this at the time and only cottoned on later. I then tried a high strength ecdy bottled supplement and that had similar effects to the quinoa the only diff being I'd have to have the quinoa more than once a day to sustain things whereas as the pills was once a day and it skyrocketed my libido after a week of use. In summary it helped me a little strength wise and alot with fat burning. Libido wise that was probably due to me having low normal range testosterone, so don't expect that if yours is normal. It works well with Apigenin.
 
andro-Grow432 said:
I'm highly interested in natural anabolics. Beta ecdysterone being one. I want to hear all opinions and cycles about it. How much strength/ size did you gain, less soreness? Also how would it compare to other natural anabolics. Definently plan on asking about more and different supplements in the future. But with much emerging data on beta ecdysterone supplements I'm highly interested in it's use and effectiveness
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Do a search for a member named Mixelflick. He is probably the most knowledgeable member here about ecdysterone and turkesterone. It can be hit or miss depending on a if you are actually getting the right ingredient from the right plant. Some people like Mixelflick feel ecdysterone from rhapontium carthamoides is the best, while others say it doesn't matter. Ecdysterone is one of the few substances that have been compared to anabolic steroids and actually showed equal or greater muscle growth albeit in rats. Now the general consensus is that those results don't translate to humans but some people do notice some benefit and others great benefit. I tried a product called Mass Pro Synthagen X2 and it has been one of the best supplements I have ever taken for strength, muscle growth, well being, and surprisingly cold/flu relief
 
Mass pro Synthagen is excellent. Another good one is from a guy on youtube named Jake(very very good guy!) Google Gym Viking USA, he has a few ecdy product oral, sublingual & sterile oil.
 
andro-Grow432 said:
How was your experience using it
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I never used it by itself, it was in a nutrient uptake/partitioning product I made called Extreme NOS Precursor, but that product worked well with it, and ppl liked it. Beta-E has very low bioavailability, very low I do remember that. I don't recommend buying capsules or powder of it. That's what I do remember, but I keep everything, so I'll dig up my research on it from like 2002 and report back when I have time.
 
If I'm being honest, it did nothing for me. But like others have said, it has been around for a long time, so maybe it did something for others.
 
I'm about 6 weeks into CEL Ecdy-Plex. I certainly notice muscle fullness and some pumps. I took it during some pretty intense Triphasic Training that includes 3 weeks of 4-6 negatives, 3 weeks of 4-6 second pauses, and 3 weeks of concentric-focused explosive work. We're now in a GPP phase that also has very gnarly sets of 20 reps. It's hard to gauge how much it's helping with recovery and strength, but strength is certainly up from the programming and maybe Ecdy-Plex. I have not combined it with anything else new. I'd maybe liken it to something like XPG Epicatechin at a higher dose?

I would maybe place it under something like Anabolic XT or Anabolic Effect in terms of effectiveness. I certainly wouldn't corroborate anything close to the rarer claims of big strength and size gained. I think as along as you have the same expectations as most natty products out there and you're focused on increasing recovery or handling more intensity/volume and maybe some small strength gains.
 
RD929 said:
I would maybe place it under something like Anabolic XT or Anabolic Effect in terms of effectiveness. I certainly wouldn't corroborate anything close to the rarer claims of big strength and size gained. I think as along as you have the same expectations as most natty products out there and you're focused on increasing recovery or handling more intensity/volume and maybe some small strength gains.
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Pretty much this. I dabbled in these things in the past when there were far fewer "natural" options, but just haven't seen it worth the try anymore with what is available. There was so much drama back in the day with them too that I've just not bothered.

recompme said:
My experience of Ecdysterone derived from quinoa soaked in boiled water and then put into some beef mince soup. I mention quinoa as it's a grain full of Ecdysterone so it's definitely legit ecdy I was on. It helps with strength, it also helped me with muscle fullness. Was it a major help, it's not a steroid test pinning level help but it does help move the weights up a little and helped with libido. Muscle fullness wise it made me look more athletic and I lost alot of fat. I didn't realise this at the time and only cottoned on later. I then tried a high strength ecdy bottled supplement and that had similar effects to the quinoa the only diff being I'd have to have the quinoa more than once a day to sustain things whereas as the pills was once a day and it skyrocketed my libido after a week of use. In summary it helped me a little strength wise and alot with fat burning. Libido wise that was probably due to me having low normal range testosterone, so don't expect that if yours is normal. It works well with Apigenin.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38400693/

Poor bio availability and who knows how much you are getting from varying sources. Feel free to eat quinoa if you like it, there are tons of reasons it could be great in your diet, but most of the time it just makes more sense to supplement with something specifically if you want to ensure adequate intake of these kinds of things. It can be a nice "bonus", but it feels like the same positives and negatives as when everyone was trying to just eat soy lecithin (for PA) for awhile.
 
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not sure if its the same compound but I did take thermolife e-bol in the past
it was great for a recomp lean mass gains while losing fat.
 
Resolve10 said:
Pretty much this. I dabbled in these things in the past when there were far fewer "natural" options, but just haven't seen it worth the try anymore with what is available. There was so much drama back in the day with them too that I've just not bothered.



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38400693/

Poor bio availability and who knows how much you are getting from varying sources. Feel free to eat quinoa if you like it, there are tons of reasons it could be great in your diet, but most of the time it just makes more sense to supplement with something specifically if you want to ensure adequate intake of these kinds of things. It can be a nice "bonus", but it feels like the same positives and negatives as when everyone was trying to just eat soy lecithin (for PA) for awhile.
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I can only speak from my experience, both quinoa and Ecdysterone isolate supplement had similar effects on me except I'd have to eat the quinoa more often to maintain things, which may lend some legitimacy to what you are saying. However I would also say in food there's often cofactors which you don't get in drug like isolates. Cost wise I paid for good quality organic quinoa and even then it was super cheap, I could probably pay for half a year's supply @ the cost of one supplement bottle. Even if the bioavailability is piss poor, little gains month on month over the course of a year add up. From the abstract you post they don't mention any comparison with an Ecdysterone isolate supplement.
 
I'd say doing compound joint movements at 3 reps would stimulate anabolic activity more, not that it doesn't work, but it seems, often people are often looking for the next $30 magic pill product to stack with 5 other $30 products, and I just don't remember it being very bio avail at all. Idk what the products cost, I'm just saying at a less than $30 price point people will try and believe in anything as part of a multi-product stack.
 
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