So blackstone labs recently released a 4-andro ph called brutal 4ce. Haven't heard many people talk about it. Anyone use it? How were the gains, did it increase your libido well? Would you recommend it as a test base to stack with a stronger PH?
I actually didn't realize until I went to order it last night that it's 4-andro rx which the main ingredient is 50mg per capsule of 4-Dhea. Says to take 200mg a day. you don't think that's a sufficient test base at all?
I'll definitely get the reduce xt. What brand though? And is the cycle support really worth it? I've heard mixed reviews some say swear by it while others claim it to be a another useless scam by supplement companies.
Yeah I know after I did my first ph I was thinking to myself I could've waited another 2 years at least but whatever at least I wasn't popping ph's before I even turned 18 lol. No turning back now.
I wanna use only nolva the thing is my source for nolva may not be reliable but I know the place I got my liquid clomid from last time is legit. So I just wanted to use both just in case the nolva is bunk by some chance.
Background-22 years old been training for 5 years. Started at 5'11 140lbs got to 6'0 182lbs naturally. Did BSL halo elite 8 months ago and finished clomid 50-50-25-25 7 months ago. Finished cycle at 192lbs (lost 6lbs during week 3 of cycle due to 2 day stomach virus). After pct I have now gotten...
Gonna start my cycle in two weeks or so.. Was just wonder if anyone experienced libido issues while using this ph? Or did anyone get positive libido results? And would using 4-andro or 1-andro be similar to using a "test base" to help with libido? I may keep one on hand if my sex drive suffers...
Yeah that's what I figured after reading the description on their website. It's kind of BS they gave it the Dmz name, should've called it something different.
Wanted to run Dmz 2.0(blackstone) and 4-andro(iron mag) together but people have told me blackstone put out a lot of fake Dmz 2.0 (which I was gonna get from a supp store near me). Iron mags doesn't sell Dmz 2.0 or 3.0 on their site anymore, only Dmz 4.0 for $99.99. Anyone use this before, and...
Cool, so I'll probably just buy the iron mag labs Dmz online. Dmz 3.0 and 4-andro won't be too intense of a stack? Also, what kind of cycle support/estrogen blockers would you recommend to take during cycle?
I used clomid 50-50-25-25 for my pct after halo elite, and didn't experience any sides except weak libido but that went back to normal after pct ended. I wanted to use nolva this time because I've read that's better at preventing gyno, and I feel i will be very gyno prone coming off of this...
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