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My take on IGF-1

Rocky82 said:
Can you do immediately pre-workout? If you can, chase it with a good amount of carbs and you'll enjoy a good pump and the IGF will already be in your system so when the receptors are up-regulated post-workout, you already have the IGF circulating and you can just down your post-workout meal and be on your way
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Yes that is a second-best option.

Preworkout and 60-90 minutes post are OK.
 
somewhatgifted said:
IGF= injured grunt fixer.
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im testing it out on broken bones.

i have x-rays throughout my recovery so far and didn't start igf until week 7 of recovery (at which the bones are still very broken). so i should have a good idea of the repairing power of igf.
 
Grunt76 said:
Diluted in AA, it is stable for a year at 98 degrees F...
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Grunt, does this mean I can store my (AA diluted) IGF in say a cool area of the home/garage, if the fridge is not an option?
 
shivastool said:
Grunt, does this mean I can store my (AA diluted) IGF in say a cool area of the home/garage, if the fridge is not an option?
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Yes. Do make sure that you keep the vial clean though...
 
I just want to give a little update on my LR3 IGF-1 use.

I am into week 3 of using it 2x/week @ 40mcg, pinned immediately postworkout in last muscles trained. I've just been hitting bis/tris in case theres any localized growth and pinning bilaterally.

I am using Grunt's protocol to a tee.

I have noticed intense pumps. If I do a set of bench or lat pulldowns, my forearms get so pumped that its painful. I also notice a slight leaning effect and increased hunger. Vascularity has been awesome and I really feel like the IGF is helping my arm growth. I am very pleased overall.

My next run will be for PCT. I will probably switch from a push/pull split to a 3-day split (Mon, Wed, Fri) and pin 30mcg after every workout.
 
I just sprained my knee last night doing some grappling. If I want it to heal faster would it be alright to switch from a 2-3 times/week dosing to an ed dosing? I'm also megadosing cissus, do you think there would be any kind of synergy between the two?
 
mywetnightmares said:
I just sprained my knee last night doing some grappling. If I want it to heal faster would it be alright to switch from a 2-3 times/week dosing to an ed dosing? I'm also megadosing cissus, do you think there would be any kind of synergy between the two?
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I'm not sure. What is a sprain? Sorry my knowledge of English does not include a precise definition of that term.
 
Hey Grunt great post, very informative!! I am trying to learn as much as I can about HGH. I was wondering what your opinion is on products like pGHt by universal labs is?
 
A sprain (from the French espraindre - to wring) is an injury which occurs to ligaments caused by a sudden overstretching (for the muscle injury, see strain). The ligament is usually only stretched, but sometimes it can be snapped, slightly torn, or ruptured, all of which are more serious and require longer to heal.
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That was from wikipedia.
 
mywetnightmares said:
I just sprained my knee last night doing some grappling. If I want it to heal faster would it be alright to switch from a 2-3 times/week dosing to an ed dosing? I'm also megadosing cissus, do you think there would be any kind of synergy between the two?
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I am currently dosing EOD and mega dosing cissus. seems too work pretty well so far. i dont think there will be any benefit to dosing ED.
 
Having been informed that a sprain is a ligament injury, I will inform you in turn that sadly IGF-1 will not heal ligament. Cissus may help, and the proven ligament regenerators are: hGH, Anavar, Nandrolone and Boldenone. Testosterone above 200mg per week will inhibit the positive effects from those, though.


THA GONZ said:
Hey Grunt great post, very informative!! I am trying to learn as much as I can about HGH. I was wondering what your opinion is on products like pGHt by universal labs is?
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I have used p-GH with very good results. From what I have read, p-GHt is equally a good product.
 
I have used p-GH with very good results. From what I have read, p-GHt is equally a good product.[/QUOTE]


which do you think is a better option IBE's oratropin-1 or UK's pGH-t??
 
THA GONZ said:
I have used p-GH with very good results. From what I have read, p-GHt is equally a good product.
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which do you think is a better option IBE's oratropin-1 or UK's pGH-t??
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That depends on your goal. Oratropin is an IGF product, PGH is a growth hormone product. They do different things and have different recommended durations of use.
 
mywetnightmares said:
That depends on your goal. Oratropin is an IGF product, PGH is a growth hormone product. They do different things and have different recommended durations of use.
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^^^
That.
 
I will be 28 soon and I just had a multi-level disc fusion in my neck. I was looking for something to get me back in the game alittle quicker and maybe help with muscle loss. I won't be back to the gym for awhile, so I have alittle time.which type of product do you guys think would be better for my situation. I would like to stay lean/srtong.

would they be usefull together?? thanks

mywetnightmares said:
That depends on your goal. Oratropin is an IGF product, PGH is a growth hormone product. They do different things and have different recommended durations of use.
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THA GONZ said:
I will be 28 soon and I just had a multi-level disc fusion in my neck. I was looking for something to get me back in the game alittle quicker and maybe help with muscle loss. I won't be back to the gym for awhile, so I have alittle time.which type of product do you guys think would be better for my situation. I would like to stay lean/srtong.

would they be usefull together?? thanks
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I think you need Oratropin.

What is multi-level disc fusion exactly? They took out more than one disc and fused your vertebrae together? :eek:
 
Grunt76 said:
I think you need Oratropin.

What is multi-level disc fusion exactly? They took out more than one disc and fused your vertebrae together? :eek:
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yes, I had c4-5 and c5-6 disc's removed and fused also a titanium plate in my neck to cover vertabrea 4-6. I will be out of commision for awhile so I am trying to do some research now and have all my ducks in a row when I can get back to action.

How long should I run the oratropin.
From your previous postings I assume that 80mcg orally E3D is a good dosage.

Thanks
 
THA GONZ said:
yes, I had c4-5 and c5-6 disc's removed and fused also a titanium plate in my neck to cover vertabrea 4-6. I will be out of commision for awhile so I am trying to do some research now and have all my ducks in a row when I can get back to action.

How long should I run the oratropin.
From your previous postings I assume that 80mcg orally E3D is a good dosage.

Thanks
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Yes that's how I would run it, and I would start like the day after the surgery or thenabouts.
 
questions and help

Hello...new to this forum. I have a couple of questions about Long R3 IGF-1.
Back in 2004 this forum was joined by MR and every one seemed happy to get IGF from that location. Is MR still a good company?

The mixture of HCL and BW is that the best or is there something better and easier to mix.

And where can one get these supplies?

And last....once I have IGF-1 how do I mix it in the vial/store it/
and mix again prior to injection. I am using a non needle injection system which is phenomenal.

Thank you for any help
 
First no source posting. No research chemicals suppliers are allowed on this board anymore and that is the reason you don't find MR in the sponsors anymore.

Most likely a non-needle injection system will DESTROY the IGF-1 because of impact. It is a fairly fragile molecule.
 
stickdoktor said:
The mixture of HCL and BW is that the best or is there something better and easier to mix.
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No that is not best.

Acetic Acid is best to "mix". The minute amount of BA that is in BW will degrade the peptide if used it to "mix".

some people dilute the solution that's loaded in the syringe immediately PRIOR to injecting with BW or NaCL (sodium chloride). This step is not necessary in my humble opinion. It's for wussies who don't like the little sting from AA. :D
 
Ok..it is true about the impact and velocity of a non needle system. Some range up to 520 miles per hour but that is on a IM unit.

For the acetic acid what is the process. I have also read that if I get 1mg of IGF It should be separeted into different containers.

Can I ask for instructions on the use of IGF here or is this infringing on rule and possible banishment.
 
I had to go back and edit after reading Grunt76 comment. I only asked because in posts from 3/2004 up to 2005 there was a research supplier who was answering and promoting in this forum.
My bad....but corrected
 
stickdoktor said:
Ok..it is true about the impact and velocity of a non needle system. Some range up to 520 miles per hour but that is on a IM unit.

For the acetic acid what is the process. I have also read that if I get 1mg of IGF It should be separeted into different containers.

Can I ask for instructions on the use of IGF here or is this infringing on rule and possible banishment.
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Acetic acid is to ensure shelf life, otherwise it needs to be separated into different containers and reconstituted in small amounts.
 
Ubiquitous said:
...some people dilute the solution that's loaded in the syringe immediately PRIOR to injecting with BW or NaCL (sodium chloride). This step is not necessary in my humble opinion. It's for wussies who don't like the little sting from AA. :D
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Yes, I am starting to only inj. w/the aa solution now. The sting is not bad and adding BW either dulls the needle further or has a chance (when I backload BW) of getting into the IGF vial.
 
shivastool said:
Yes, I am starting to only inj. w/the aa solution now. The sting is not bad and adding BW either dulls the needle further or has a chance (when I backload BW) of getting into the IGF vial.
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Well you should add the BW after the IGF. And it isn't because it doesn't sting that bad that it can't outright KILL muscle cells.

:D
 
Ubiquitous said:
Whatever Grunt, you're a big wussie.. My cells are fine. :D
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Yes, well of course you have other cells to worry about than the ones in your muscles. So good call on focussing on keeping whatever's left of your brain in order... :)
 
I've been injecting straight AA into my Medulla Oblangata.. and I forgot how to get home yesterday... plus my lungs started beating like a heart and my heart started breathing.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I've been injecting straight AA into my Medulla Oblangata.. and I forgot how to get home yesterday... plus my lungs started beating like a heart and my heart started breathing.
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See? You're doing just fine bro, keep it up! :icon_lol:
 
shivastool said:
after drawing from the igf vial and then the BW bottle that frekin slin pin is dullllllllll
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So what? Don't tell me you can tell the difference between feeling nothing and not being sure if you felt something?

Or are you telling me that you are THAT much of a wuss? :jaw:
 
well I can comment on how much a dull pin sucks... there have been times when I pressed and pressed into my bicep and it didn't even break skin.. I had to TWIST that sucker to break it.. .This was from double butyl sticks... I can relate with shivastool...and I, my good friend Grunt, am not a wuss. :D
 
Grunt, for a PCT protocol with IGF, do you think it is better to run 40mcg everyday, or will the 40mcg E3D work as good or better? what do you think would work best?

Thanks
 
Truck 44 said:
Grunt, for a post cycle therapy protocol with IGF, do you think it is better to run 40mcg everyday, or will the 40mcg E3D work as good or better? what do you think would work best?

Thanks
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I think if you start with about 10 days ED and then switch to E3D then you will get the best of both worlds.

The true ideal for post cycle therapy IMO is Oratropin 80mcg E3D.

Oh, and Ubi, don't play tough guy to hide the fact that you try and save even on insulin needles by buying the lowest quality.
 
no way baby, I have diamond clustered slin pins..

but in all seriousness, they rhyme with schmerumo and I if they pass through too many butyl stoppers, it gets annoying.

example, at the end of your Mg, and you're trying to suck the very last bit (especially the case with those recessed butlyl stoppers), you sometimes need to draw a few times.. hence the dulling.
 
Ubiquitous said:
no way baby, I have diamond clustered slin pins..

but in all seriousness, they rhyme with schmerumo and I if they pass through too many butyl stoppers, it gets annoying.

example, at the end of your Mg, and you're trying to suck the very last bit (especially the case with those recessed butlyl stoppers), you sometimes need to draw a few times.. hence the dulling.
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Yeh I get that too. But hey, since I use BW in my syringe, I'm betting that I get less sting than you.... :D
 
I'm somewhat of a Masochist my friend.

Perhaps I will look more into this cell death caused by Acetic Acid.. don't really want that.

Much love, my Quebecois Snuggle Club District Chapter GrandMaster.
 
Well, I figured out how to get some bw in the slin pin w/o pushing thru another stopper...load up a reg. (3cc) syringe with a bit of bw, remover the needle, and make sure the top of the tube has BW in it, then draw out the bit you need (I go to the 5 line on a 1/2 cc pin, so I only need to draw .1 cc of bw to dilute properly). I suppose there are other ways to bypass the second draw, just be sure to keep things sterile. Like ubiq, my rat has had too many injects that sucked. The final straw was when the pec inj. BENT sideways and then went in...yea, a sub-q inject into the pectoral reqion. Now that is the non-wussiest beeeaaacchhh!
 
good idea... I've had pins bend too.. lol

I'd rep you for that but apparently I've used too much reps in a 24 hour period. I'll get you next time. :D
 
Can anyone help with mixing information of IGF-1. I have mixed 1000mcg og igf-1 with 1ml of AA. 1IU draw=10mcg.
In previous post it was mentioned that using AA without mixing some BA may cause cell damage. If that is true how much BA should be mixed with 4IU of IGF-1/AA mix?
 
I have a question regarding IGF concerning what I was told and what I read earlier in this thread. Now I read that people continue to use IGF almost non stop for months at a time. Now I was told that IGF doesn't actually cause muscle cells to split, but instead only matures existing stem cells. This makes the IGF useless after about one month of use, because the body recognizes the excess IGF and stops producing HGH. Without HGH to produce more stem cells, the IGF becomes useless. Can anyone please clarify?? Thanks
 
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