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Lou sees AMC shorts getting mauled this week going into Monday and Tuesday, depends on APE possibly getting delayed (Lou's claim!) .....stay calm, stay sexy, Lou still in.

Hey Lou, I thought you were out by Friday!!????????????

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Starting to hear more rumblings of APE being delayed on some brokerages. People are really supposed to get their shares afterhours on the 19th.

Im on mostly Fidelity in a couple accounts, but have a chunk on Webull, and some more on Sofi and Ameritrade so we will see.
 
Got 4 gct shares out of 35 @12.25

Hopefully takes off like hdk
 
8K filings snippet is out, to the FUDDERS of 4.5 million dilution, NOT!

AMC has authorized a total of 1 billion APES to be issued, so APE can only be dilluted by another 485 million. They can issue a total of 5 billion.

They have NNOOOOO plan on releasing any more than that calender year 2022 or 2023.

If they sold those 485 million APE onto the market (over time) at $5 they can get themselves completely out of debt, short thesis would be officially dead.

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ax1 said:
8K filings snippet is out, to the FUDDERS of 4.5 million dilution, NOT!

AMC has authorized a total of 1 billion APES to be issued, so APE can only be dilluted by another 485 million. They can issue a total of 5 billion.

They have NNOOOOO plan on releasing any more than that calender year 2022 or 2023.

If they sold those 485 million APE onto the market (over time) at $5 they can get themselves completely out of debt, short thesis would be officially dead.

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What does "short thesis would be officially dead" mean?
 
GreenMachineX said:
What does "short thesis would be officially dead" mean?
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As in the reason to short the stock.

The shorts that have been stuck since the covid era tried to make AMC completely bankrupt, they pinned it down under $2 and since AMC has has proven not only do people want to still go to the movies rather than sitting home on NETFLIX, but Adam Aaron has completely changed AMC from a Movie Theater company to a transnational conglomerate.

That right there proves the short thesis to be dead, but AMC still has a debt problem which they have been slowly re-negotiating and paying down debt. Once this debt is paid off (with the help of APE since shareholders dont want AMC dilluted) along with the improving fundamentals of the company and AMC being a profitable company, the short thesis is completely dead.
 
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As in the reason to short the stock.

The shorts that have been stuck since the covid era tried to make AMC completely bankrupt, they pinned it down under $2 and since AMC has has proven not only do people want to still go to the movies rather than sitting home on NETFLIX, but Adam Aaron has completely changed AMC from a Movie Theater company to a transnational conglomerate.

That right there proves the short thesis to be dead, but AMC still has a debt problem which they have been slowly re-negotiating and paying down debt. Once this debt is paid off (with the help of APE since shareholders dont want AMC dilluted) along with the improving fundamentals of the company and AMC being a profitable company, the short thesis is completely dead.
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Now that I understand it better, I'll hold longer and give APE a chance. Thanks.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Now that I understand it better, I'll hold longer and give APE a chance. Thanks.
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The shareholders still have to vote before they are convertible to AMC, fortunately for AMC they can raise money without needing to do that.

The problem now is, the more people sell the more directly fuqqery they can do with APE. APE should inherit the same short percentage ratio as AMC has from the beginning, if everybody held APE the same game can be played to have shorts cover that too, except that it doesnt have all the potential synthetics AMC has generated over the past couple years.

I might sell my APE if it hits a certain unlikely price, maybe around $50 I could use the money, but I dont think it will (not a prediction I have no idea.) It might be single digits, nobody knows until we know. Alot of people think its 50/50 on opening, AMC will drop in half value but thats just a unproven theory until its proven.
 
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When do the AMC Preferred Equity units start trading and what will the price of the AMC Preferred Equity
units be?

• AMC Preferred Equity units are expected to begin trading on the NYSE on the ex-dividend date of
August 22, 2022. The AMC Preferred Equity units are expected to begin trading on the NYSE
sometime between the market opening at 9:30am EDT and 12:00pm EDT on August 22, 2022.

• The price of the AMC Preferred Equity units will be determined by buyers and sellers in the open
market.

• Because the AMC Preferred Equity unit is designed to have the same economic value and voting
rights as a share of common stock, in theory, the common stock and AMC Preferred Equity unit
should have similar market values and the impact of the AMC Preferred Equity unit dividend should
be similar to a 2/1 stock split.

• An investor owning one share of common stock on August 19, 2022 will hold one share of common
stock and one AMC Preferred Equity unit on August 22, 2022.

• An investor should therefore expect that the price of a stand-alone share of common stock logically
should at least initially decline, however that investor’s economic interest will be the sum of the price
of a share of common stock plus the price of an APE.
 
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When do the AMC Preferred Equity units start trading and what will the price of the AMC Preferred Equity
units be?

• AMC Preferred Equity units are expected to begin trading on the NYSE on the ex-dividend date of
August 22, 2022. The AMC Preferred Equity units are expected to begin trading on the NYSE
sometime between the market opening at 9:30am EDT and 12:00pm EDT on August 22, 2022.

• The price of the AMC Preferred Equity units will be determined by buyers and sellers in the open
market.

• Because the AMC Preferred Equity unit is designed to have the same economic value and voting
rights as a share of common stock, in theory, the common stock and AMC Preferred Equity unit
should have similar market values and the impact of the AMC Preferred Equity unit dividend should
be similar to a 2/1 stock split.

• An investor owning one share of common stock on August 19, 2022 will hold one share of common
stock and one AMC Preferred Equity unit on August 22, 2022.

• An investor should therefore expect that the price of a stand-alone share of common stock logically
should at least initially decline, however that investor’s economic interest will be the sum of the price
of a share of common stock plus the price of an APE.
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Guess we'll see what happens.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
do you have any other option ? lol
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My only option is just ride it out, Ill hold as long as it takes as much as I want this to be over yesterday. Selling for me is not an option, although everybody needs do whats best for them.

AMC going completely out of debt and growing its company can only attract more institutional investors and finally pushing the old shorts out of the picture.....not financial advice, Im just an ape, but never took the Planet of the Apes shot lol.
 
It will be interesting to see how many possible 10s of millions of FTDs show up when its reported in September from over the last few days. And it will be interesting to see if this is finally the last tick that sets Adam Aaron and his lawyers to do something more about it.
 
Some fast and loose assumptions here though.... even if AMC was totally out of debt tomorrow it doesn't end the short thesis. If the movie business model loses money every year, or begins to lose money in the future and becomes unprofitable/unsustainable... it still eventually goes bankrupt. There are shorts who believe with home streaming the big movie theaters can't/won't survive and are betting against it (shorting) current debt or not.

On a separate thought - if everyone who has an AMC share gets an extra APE share.... and the basic assumption would be that it acts like a 2/1 split so you have more shares at lower price per share giving you the SAME net equity you are holding.... how does that change the current AMC debt at all?

The only possible "game changer" here would be if this gimmick flushes out any synthetic shares or other illegal shenanigans.... I hope
 
BamBam54 said:
Some fast and loose assumptions here though.... even if AMC was totally out of debt tomorrow it doesn't end the short thesis. If the movie business model loses money every year, or begins to lose money in the future and becomes unprofitable/unsustainable... it still eventually goes bankrupt. There are shorts who believe with home streaming the big movie theaters can't/won't survive and are betting against it (shorting) current debt or not.

On a separate thought - if everyone who has an AMC share gets an extra APE share.... and the basic assumption would be that it acts like a 2/1 split so you have more shares at lower price per share giving you the SAME net equity you are holding.... how does that change the current AMC debt at all?

The only possible "game changer" here would be if this gimmick flushes out any synthetic shares or other illegal shenanigans.... I hope
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Perhaps Adam’s idea with APE is that initially AMC loses value when APE is released, but then AMC goes back up in value while APE retains or even goes up in value. Maybe they assume AMC share will get back up to pre APE prices post APE release without APE losing value. The company board then sells their APE shares towards debt or obtaining other theaters. Adam believes he is improving the company fundamentals, and believes the share price will continue to reflect that over time.
 
BamBam54 said:
Some fast and loose assumptions here though.... even if AMC was totally out of debt tomorrow it doesn't end the short thesis. If the movie business model loses money every year, or begins to lose money in the future and becomes unprofitable/unsustainable... it still eventually goes bankrupt. There are shorts who believe with home streaming the big movie theaters can't/won't survive and are betting against it (shorting) current debt or not.

On a separate thought - if everyone who has an AMC share gets an extra APE share.... and the basic assumption would be that it acts like a 2/1 split so you have more shares at lower price per share giving you the SAME net equity you are holding.... how does that change the current AMC debt at all?

The only possible "game changer" here would be if this gimmick flushes out any synthetic shares or other illegal shenanigans.... I hope
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Perhaps Adam’s idea with APE is that initially AMC loses value when APE is released, but then AMC goes back up in value while APE retains or even goes up in value. Maybe they assume AMC share will get back up to pre APE prices post APE release without APE losing value. The company board then sells their APE shares towards debt or obtaining other theaters. Adam believes he is improving the company fundamentals, and believes the share price will continue to reflect that over time.
 
BamBam54 said:
Some fast and loose assumptions here though.... even if AMC was totally out of debt tomorrow it doesn't end the short thesis. If the movie business model loses money every year, or begins to lose money in the future and becomes unprofitable/unsustainable... it still eventually goes bankrupt. There are shorts who believe with home streaming the big movie theaters can't/won't survive and are betting against it (shorting) current debt or not.

On a separate thought - if everyone who has an AMC share gets an extra APE share.... and the basic assumption would be that it acts like a 2/1 split so you have more shares at lower price per share giving you the SAME net equity you are holding.... how does that change the current AMC debt at all?

The only possible "game changer" here would be if this gimmick flushes out any synthetic shares or other illegal shenanigans.... I hope
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AMC is no longer a movie company. Movies are just part of its business model and they will keep expanding beyond that. They also have a billion+ cash on hand to keep investing already not including the potential of APE.

AMC can sell off APE and raise money, pretty simple really. Shareholders won’t allow AMC to be diluted. APE can.
 
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AMC is no longer a movie company. Movies are just part of its business model and they will keep expanding beyond that. They also have a billion+ cash on hand to keep investing already not including the potential of APE.

AMC can sell off APE and raise money, pretty simple really. Shareholders won’t allow AMC to be diluted. APE can.
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Question, if you know the answer. Have movie theater chains always held more debt than profits since their inception?
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Perhaps Adam’s idea with APE is that initially AMC loses value when APE is released, but then AMC goes back up in value while APE retains or even goes up in value. Maybe they assume AMC share will get back up to pre APE prices post APE release without APE losing value. The company board then sells their APE shares towards debt or obtaining other theaters. Adam believes he is improving the company fundamentals, and believes the share price will continue to reflect that over time.
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Keep in mind the board approved another 100 million dollars out of over a billion cash they already have on hand and ready for more new business investments.

AMC perfectly popcorn out soon, the credit card, HYMC is ready to explore more land in the USA than has been on 10-20 years with potential lithium findings, professional services for business that needs AMC’s experience, and more.
 
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Question, if you know the answer. Have movie theater chains always held more debt than profits since their inception?
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AMC is a 100 year old company, so I guess they owe more money than the US national deficit!!! LOL

I remember they were posting better numbers than pre-pandemic levels, Netflix tanked, people are going to the movies, kiosks are very profitable. AMC (just the movie business0 is global and expanding, I remember not long ago they licensed to Saudi Arabia.

I dont see movie theaters going anywhere. Some will come, some will go, AMC's name branding alone is worth alot more now after what has happened the past couple years reason Im optimistic about the food and credit card business.
 
ax1 said:
AMC is a 100 year old company, so I guess they owe more money than the US national deficit!!! LOL

I remember they were posting better numbers than pre-pandemic levels, Netflix tanked, people are going to the movies, kiosks are very profitable. AMC (just the movie business0 is global and expanding, I remember not long ago they licensed to Saudi Arabia.

I dont see movie theaters going anywhere. Some will come, some will go, AMC's name branding alone is worth alot more now after what has happened the past couple years reason Im optimistic about the food and credit card business.
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That’s not what I’m saying, I’m just wondering in general if theater chains have always operated in that manner, on credit, and that it isn’t a new phenomenon that AMC has debt; now I’m sure they have more debt than usual because of the last few years combined with SHFs shorting them, but that line of business seems like they are on credit anyways.
 
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That’s not what I’m saying, I’m just wondering in general if theater chains have always operated in that manner, on credit, and that it isn’t a new phenomenon that AMC has debt; now I’m sure they have more debt than usual because of the last few years combined with SHFs shorting them, but that line of business seems like they are on credit anyways.
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I really dont know, thats above my pay-grade lol.
 
It seems confirmed that Ryan Cohen sold off his entire stake in BBBY.
 
Fuq AMC, I think I found another way.

"Life is too short to get rich slow"
I never forget what my grandfather told me, there are 2 types of people in life, there is the doer and the loser, which one are you?
- Tom Vu

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ax1 said:
Fuq AMC, I think I found another way.

"Life is too short to get rich slow"
I never forget what my grandfather told me, there are 2 types of people in life, there is the doer and the loser, which one are you?
- Tom Vu

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Man, do you sleep? 😆
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Got 4 gct shares out of 35 @12.25

Hopefully takes off like hdk
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GCT + 181% currently

i want to sell one share at $48 which will give me back my investment amount and let the other 3 ride
 
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Moon Market is doing live coverage of that.
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yeah was doing it yesterday too .. i was on for couple hrs but yesterday stinked bc webull dropped the ball and wasnt availble to trade till like 2-3Pm
 
Time for AA to spend more of his Billion cash on hand? I would love to have an AMC closer to mine, I never go to Regal, my A-list subscription is great.

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Time for AA to spend more of his Billion cash on hand? I would love to have an AMC closer to mine, I never go to Regal, my A-list subscription is great.

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yeah we can use couple here in western NY too .. have to drive 30-40mins just for AMC
 
Al from Boston just a posted about Cineworld for those into these videos.

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An article saying that apes made the difference between Cineworld and AMC outcome. @ax1 should have been mentioned in the article, though!!!

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Both morning and mid-day AMC Ortex borrowed/cost numbers not available.

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Scooped up a few AMC today to add to the stash.

I have an OTC up 218% today.....🤑. Its been a while for my portfolio
 
AMC Closing Bell Ortex

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BBBY
People were on stocktwits asking if they should get in at 20-25 during the rise. Many got demolished. And they may go bankrupt now.
 
Looks like worst case scenario for the temporary is happening. Get ready for AMC share price to be between 9 and 13 dollars a share next week.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Looks like worst case scenario for the temporary is happening. Get ready for AMC share price to be between 9 and 13 dollars a share next week.
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Even if it hits 50/50 it can still start could get worse, word on the street Kenny took out a 600 million dollar loan specifically for trading capital.

Im in this all the way until the end, the split doesnt effect the fundamentals of AMC stock other than the value drop. Im open to trading APE if it hits $40-$50 a share, that would make my life better. I doubt it will, but just having this option on the table if anything crazy happens.

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Looks like worst case scenario for the temporary is happening. Get ready for AMC share price to be between 9 and 13 dollars a share next week.
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if this happens .. whats the point of APE ?
ive said it before these dividends dont end up the way everyone makes it out be and just gives them more ammo for more capital and more to short forever

im going to be extremely pissed if it does 50/50 price ratio
 
jameschoi said:
BBBY
People were on stocktwits asking if they should get in at 20-25 during the rise. Many got demolished. And they may go bankrupt now.
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People have no one to blame but themselves when they gamble more than they can afford to live with. Not that Im happy these people lost money but I cant believe this stuff happens over and over again.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
if this happens .. whats the point of APE ?
ive said it before these dividends dont end up the way everyone makes it out be and just gives them more ammo for more capital and more to short forever

im going to be extremely pissed if it does 50/50 price ratio
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The point is long term. Short term I knew this was going to suck when the price of APE was going to steal from AMC. It temporarily sucks, for maybe the next couple weeks. Then after a week or two, I bet we see both APE and AMC rise in price. The APE pushed the short squeeze further away, but did not destroy the short squeeze. Ultimate, this is good for AMC long term, and if it is, it is good for us at the end of the day. It just sucks in the short term when we have all been looking forward to upwards volatility.
 
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