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In the mob mentality, meaning “well this is what all my other fellow trump supporters are saying/doing/thinking, so i should too” - yes, theyre absolutely the same. Do they go off the wall and destroy property - no, and I commend them for that, but thats not what I said.

And to address your edit: yah, people absolutely do talk about disparities in healthcare. A shît ton. Even healthcare providers talk about it. There are entire conferences and lecture series about it.

Yes, Dump supporters do destroy property. They are accomplices to mass destruction. They voted for someone who for 4 years destroyed far more property via love bombs all over the middle east and aiding Saudi Arabia directly in the destruction of Yemen among man other things and is handing the torch over to Groper Joe to continue that than the destruction BLM looters could ever imagine.

But I guess BLM vote for the same in Groper anyways, so come on man!
 
In the mob mentality, meaning “well this is what all my other fellow trump supporters are saying/doing/thinking, so i should too” - yes, theyre absolutely the same. Do they go off the wall and destroy property - no, and I commend them for that, but thats not what I said.
Just making sure that’s not what you are implying. Like I said, idiots on both sides. Sheeple on both sides. But I don’t care really about that. I care more about when it turns violent.

And to address your edit: yah, people absolutely do talk about disparities in healthcare. A shît ton. Even healthcare providers talk about it. There are entire conferences and lecture series about it.
I poorly phrased it, but you just proved my point. Cops aren’t the problem. There’s a much bigger problem out there that actual educated people see and discuss. But that is not what’s on mainstream media, because there’s no agenda in it and it’s not as sexy. Let politics figure out a way to swing that though, and it’ll be huge on mainstream media, followed by riots and destruction.
 
Indoor dining officially closes in NYC on monday, but its safe to go there now or over the weekend I guess??????
 
6 deaths / 43k when the trial included a wide range of demographics - including elderly & ppl w vulnerable med conditions. 4/6 deaths were in the placebo group...

Nice try...

Id just like to make sure that i firmly stomp this one out. I did a little more digging on this and found some info.

“In the course of the study, 6 participants died. 4 were in the placebo group, and 2 were in the vaccine group. The deaths in the vaccine group occurred 63 days after the second dose of the vaccine due to a cardiac arrest (I am going to safely call this one unrelated) and the other is described as being due to arteriosclerosis 3 days after the vaccine’s first dose. The FDA reviewer report has declared both of these to be unrelated to the vaccine. Details on 2 of the 4 deaths in the placebo group indicate they were from a stroke and a heart attack, which is consistent with expectations given the demographics of the trial.”

So, by dixon’s logic, saline injections much be more dangerous than the new vacc...eh?

@HIT, anyone else who wants some reading on the vaccine, this guy seems to offer some good insight from what ive seen so far.

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Indoor dining officially closes in NYC on monday, but its safe to go there now or over the weekend I guess??????

Oh, we’re on locked down as of tonight. I had to tell my nail tech guy that yea... I’ll help him and his family file for unemployment again.
 
Just making sure that’s not what you are implying. Like I said, idiots on both sides. Sheeple on both sides. But I don’t care really about that. I care more about when it turns violent.


I poorly phrased it, but you just proved my point. Cops aren’t the problem. There’s a much bigger problem out there that actual educated people see and discuss. But that is not what’s on mainstream media, because there’s no agenda in it and it’s not as sexy. Let politics figure out a way to swing that though, and it’ll be huge on mainstream media, followed by riots and destruction.
@jswain34 Wait, did we just agree on something?!

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China flight attendants advised to wear diapers for Covid protection

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@jswain34 Wait, did we just agree on something?!

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1. Tons of idiots and non-idiots on both sides.

2. Theres stuff going on that people who have the ability to remain objective (i dont think it is directly due to education as there a ton of educated people who cant stay objective) talk about, but the media wont talk about.

3. F the media.

Okay, yah, I think we agree!
 
I know this isnt what youre saying exactly, but you cant honestly think that ALL Trump supporters have common sense, are of average “intelligence”, and free autonomous thinkers just because they think the election was stolen from them, can you? Trump supporters have just as much of a mob mentality as the other side, please dont kid yourself man.

Even if there was voter fraud (which, i do absolutely agree needs to be investigated and if found to be present punished to the fullest extent of the law), have you seen legitimate evidence that the degree of voter fraud would’ve changed the outcome of the election? I know you have your theories and the hypothetical math worked out from counties that you think it could’ve happened in, but is there any REAL evidence? Seriously asking, not rhetorical. I trust you to be objective about it.

Of course what I stated didn't seem to touch on a lot of that, but I get the extrapolation.

No, I do not think that all Trump supporters are intelligent, free thinking individuals. I would point to my statements about having problems with political lines in the sand and the mask and covid discussion being a prime example where I feel a lot of people choose their views based on the staying on the "republican" side of that line. I think both sides do this and a lot of it has to do with taking some good ideas and blowing them up to be more important than all of the other good ideas. For instance, keeping our freedoms and resisting tyranny is a value I do hold. And not being an unknowing spreader of disease and killing people when I can avoid it is also a good idea. Both sides pick one of those two ideas and ignore all others.

And I don't think all liberals are stupid, there are some smart liberals in this very thread. The conservatives and liberals in this thread that are smarter than all of us are probably the ones who have never posted here haha.

But I do think the media spews a lot of liberal propaganda and takes a decidedly liberal stance that most liberals, not all, will ignore and treat as fact - which would be like of I said Fox is fact and everyone else is fake. I know they are biased.

And I think that liberal politicians have,, with large support of their base, supported causes like BLM and promoted violence while trying to virtue signal.

is it complicated? Sure. MLK was known as being a problem maker back in the day. He carried guns (again, the ability of a black man to carry a gun was one of the greatest factors in helping them earn their equality, and .any tried to prevent them from exercising their right to carry- but it sure helped them avoid getting lynched somewhat).

But what we have today isn't MLK. It is not about equality. It is about privilege. The idea that someone is owed something based on skin color, or that someone else has something because of their skin color. MLK would be appalled at that thinking. He knew that thinking all too well.

As far as voter fraud, I am not sure there is hard evidence. There are seemingly sketchy videos and numerous people who have testified and been made fun of for doing so. Of course one of the biggest red flags for me is that a half dozen people testify and one "looks crazy" so that goes viral and people forget the others...and then they attack the credibility of that witness because she was a stripper.

The mathematical probability of Biden winning the way he did is probably about the same as me hitting the lottery today.

But hard evidence? I am not sure it exists but there sure is a lot to question.

But again, we aren't the first to say there is voter fraud and manipulation. The democrats have been talking about it for 4 years. Now they are mum. Maybe we were wrong when we were mum just because "our guy" won and we thought it was sour grapes.

Also, a SINGLE fraudulent vote for Joe Biden is all it should take to disqualify him IF he had a role in that vote. He would have committed treason with that single vote, it is all it takes. Or at least it should be.

But how would you ever prove it? Unless you find video of him personally voting twice on video. But even someone finding a memo wouldn't be considered "proof" by enough people. Look at Hunter's laptop...that isn't enough proof that Biden is corrupt for most people.

Just making sure that’s not what you are implying. Like I said, idiots on both sides. Sheeple on both sides. But I don’t care really about that. I care more about when it turns violent.


I poorly phrased it, but you just proved my point. Cops aren’t the problem. There’s a much bigger problem out there that actual educated people see and discuss. But that is not what’s on mainstream media, because there’s no agenda in it and it’s not as sexy. Let politics figure out a way to swing that though, and it’ll be huge on mainstream media, followed by riots and destruction.

I care about the thought process that leads to the violence- some of those people are actually being fooled into thinking they are fighting for the "right" side and lack any reasoning. It reminds me of Germans going into the army under Hitler...the propaganda had a lot of them thinking it was for a good cause. We need people to think.

Id just like to make sure that i firmly stomp this one out. I did a little more digging on this and found some info.

“In the course of the study, 6 participants died. 4 were in the placebo group, and 2 were in the vaccine group. The deaths in the vaccine group occurred 63 days after the second dose of the vaccine due to a cardiac arrest (I am going to safely call this one unrelated) and the other is described as being due to arteriosclerosis 3 days after the vaccine’s first dose. The FDA reviewer report has declared both of these to be unrelated to the vaccine. Details on 2 of the 4 deaths in the placebo group indicate they were from a stroke and a heart attack, which is consistent with expectations given the demographics of the trial.”

So, by dixon’s logic, saline injections much be more dangerous than the new vacc...eh?

@HIT, anyone else who wants some reading on the vaccine, this guy seems to offer some good insight from what ive seen so far.

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Good link...will read it. I agree on not spreading unfounded, fear based claims. I think it is right to question and make an educated decision, but not one that is made out of fear.
 
1. Tons of idiots and non-idiots on both sides.

2. Theres stuff going on that people who have the ability to remain objective (i dont think it is directly due to education as there a ton of educated people who cant stay objective) talk about, but the media wont talk about.

3. F the media.

Okay, yah, I think we agree!

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You said yourself that’s not what he’s saying...
But to address one particular point, no. Trump supporters do not have just as much as a mob mentality as the BLM protestors. Or, if they do (have the mentality), the consequences of their gatherings do not cause the same destruction. There are evil people on both sides, of course. There are people that wish to watch the world burn on both sides. But to say the sides are equal...? Really?

Edit: And to clarify another point you made, of course there’s idiots on both sides . But we’re not going to go down the numbers road again; it’s clear that emotions were appealed to, not fact gathering. I’m still waiting for people to catch on to how many black people die in hospitals, but no one talks about doctors being a problem.
There are more than 125 House Republicans trying to undermine and subvert the election by signing the amiscus brief to turn over the election despite insufficient evidence of voter fraud simply because their preferred candidate did not win.

You think BLM is more destructive than people openly trying to subvert because they lost?
 
There are more than 125 House Republicans trying to undermine and subvert the election by signing the amiscus brief to turn over the election despite insufficient evidence of voter fraud simply because their preferred candidate did not win.

You think BLM is more destructive than people openly trying to subvert because they lost?

BLM are more than likely the ones who volunteered to count the mail in ballots. If I was BLM matter thats what I would do. Why vote ones when you can take care of thousands? There is nothing more common sense than that, I dont care about evidence.
 
Indoor dining officially closes in NYC on monday, but its safe to go there now or over the weekend I guess??????
Do you not understand how giving people and businesses time works?

When we went into lockdown in April, we were given notice. That doesn't mean in the interim we were safe, it allowed us a few days to adjust.
 
BLM are more than likely the ones who volunteered to count the mail in ballots. If I was BLM matter thats what I would do. Why vote ones when you can take care of thousands? There is nothing more common sense than that, I dont care about evidence.
Then you are part of the problem. There is no evidence, and yet you believe it anyway.

You are 100% the problem.
 
Then you are part of the problem. There is no evidence, and yet you believe it anyway.

You are 100% the problem.

I believe you go to bed and wake up every day but I have no evidence. So likely I am part of the fake news.
 
Do you not understand how giving people and businesses time works?

When we went into lockdown in April, we were given notice. That doesn't mean in the interim we were safe, it allowed us a few days to adjust.

Oh stop, if this crap was that dangerous just close the crap down now, there is no need to stay open until monday.
 
Oh stop, if this crap was that dangerous just close the crap down now, there is no need to stay open until monday.
But that's not how it works. Lockdowns get announced, people prepare and adjust and then it gets enacted.
 
But that's not how it works. Lockdowns get announced, people prepare and adjust and then it gets enacted.

Just go home.....when I got laid off a few times in my life, go home and good luck.

This is just stupid already, its not like people havent gone through this before. If its that dangerous people dont need to go out to eat over the weekend and die. Its not even an essential part of life.

Government needs to just have their own covid party and cough their lungs out, Im sick of them.
 
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Just go home.....when I got laid off a few times in my life, go home and good luck.

This is just stupid already, its not like people havent gone through this before. If its that dangerous people dont need to go out to eat over the weekend and die. Its not even an essential part of life.

Government needs to just have their own covid party and cough their lungs out, Im sick of them.
It's deadly to roughly 2% of all people. The difference is, Republicans don't care about the 2% at all.

Despite calling themselves Christian, which is an oxymoron considering the bible instructs them to care about the weak. They conveniently ignore that though in pursuit of individual freedoms.
 
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Hmmm, was it so mysterious that Trump was referred to as, "The big guy" in all of the documents? Or, like a lot of the other Trump allegations, is there just no real evidence and that is why it is mysterious?

Oh, no, it looks like a lease signed in 2008 - what would have been wrong doing would have been for him to dispose of this asset during his tenure in office. But hey, let's use more propaganda and ignore Biden's ethical violations.
 
Hmmm, was it so mysterious that Trump was referred to as, "The big guy" in all of the documents? Or, like a lot of the other Trump allegations, is there just no real evidence and that is why it is mysterious?

Oh, no, it looks like a lease signed in 2008 - what would have been wrong doing would have been for him to dispose of this asset during his tenure in office. But hey, let's use more propaganda and ignore Biden's ethical violations.
Jimmy Carter put his Peanut Farm in a blind trust to avoid a conflict of interest.

Trump happily took money from China and you guys defend him. The hypocrisy
 
Jimmy Carter put his Peanut Farm in a blind trust to avoid a conflict of interest.

Trump happily took money from China and you guys defend him. The hypocrisy

Seriously man, I cannot believe you don't see your own hypocrisy here. Trump signed a lease, as a private citizen, in 2008 with China. It is on the books. There is nothing wrong with that. It is also not "mysterious" as it was a private transaction and was obviously NOT conducted for gaining leverage over an elected official, since again he wasn't an elected official.

You are now using that to defend Hunter Biden taken payments from China and Joe Biden likely benefitting from those payments WHILE he was the VP of the US.

If you think the first is corrupt (it clearly isn't), how can you possibly think the second is NOT?

Use your head man. You are way smarter than that.
 
Jimmy Carter put his Peanut Farm in a blind trust to avoid a conflict of interest.

Trump happily took money from China and you guys defend him. The hypocrisy

Also, you do realize your blind trust argument pretty much supports Donald Trump's actions, right? You put assets into a blind trust in order to relinquish control over those assets while president. Again IF Donald Trump had done something to stop those Chinese payments, it would have been unethical - as he was taking operational control of those assets. As a matter of record, those payments were already under way and he did give up control by placing the asset in a trust.

But, OK for Jimmy Carter and not OK for Trump. The hypocrisy.
 
Seriously man, I cannot believe you don't see your own hypocrisy here. Trump signed a lease, as a private citizen, in 2008 with China. It is on the books. There is nothing wrong with that. It is also not "mysterious" as it was a private transaction and was obviously NOT conducted for gaining leverage over an elected official, since again he wasn't an elected official.

You are now using that to defend Hunter Biden taken payments from China and Joe Biden likely benefitting from those payments WHILE he was the VP of the US.

If you think the first is corrupt (it clearly isn't), how can you possibly think the second is NOT?

Use your head man. You are way smarter than that.
If you think a sitting President receiving money from Chinas largest bank isnt a conflict of interest, I have some Goya beans to sell you.
 
Also, you do realize your blind trust argument pretty much supports Donald Trump's actions, right? You put assets into a blind trust in order to relinquish control over those assets while president. Again IF Donald Trump had done something to stop those Chinese payments, it would have been unethical - as he was taking operational control of those assets. As a matter of record, those payments were already under way and he did give up control by placing the asset in a trust.

But, OK for Jimmy Carter and not OK for Trump. The hypocrisy.
You are literally defending Trump taking millions from a Chinese bank and pretending it isnt a conflict of interest. Man, he could do ANYTHING and still get your vote.

I have a tin of Goya beans for you
 
Also remember that it is the Chinese Govt who owns a majority stake in the bank.

But yet "oh but Biden did business in China" is worse than Trump getting money from the Chinese Govt! LOL
 
Doesn't the constitution ban receiving emoluments from a foreign government?

Is China a foreign government?
 
Ivanka Trump secured Chinese trademarks for her business after being appointed to the White House.

"But but but HUNTER!!!!!" *screams in red hat maga noises*
 
If you think a sitting President receiving money from Chinas largest bank isnt a conflict of interest, I have some Goya beans to sell you.
You are literally defending Trump taking millions from a Chinese bank and pretending it isnt a conflict of interest. Man, he could do ANYTHING and still get your vote.

I have a tin of Goya beans for you
Also remember that it is the Chinese Govt who owns a majority stake in the bank.

But yet "oh but Biden did business in China" is worse than Trump getting money from the Chinese Govt! LOL
Doesn't the constitution ban receiving emoluments from a foreign government?

Is China a foreign government?
Ivanka Trump secured Chinese trademarks for her business after being appointed to the White House.

"But but but HUNTER!!!!!" *screams in red hat maga noises*

Seriously man, you can do better.

And you are literally defending a man who made millions off the Chinese government from deals he made while in office, enriching himself while in office, and using a deal made 8 years before someone took office as your defense and claiming the person who made the deal when they were not an elected official is corrupt but Joe Biden is not?

Trump did not directly take that money from China. He handed off control of his businesses and put the towers in a trust, which he is the beneficiary of. As you've so aptly pointed out, it was ok for Jimmy Carter - so why is it not ok for Trump?

I don't care that Joe did business in China. I care that Joe did business in China WHILE he was in office. You want to talk about emoluments. That is a lot different than if I sign a lease with someone today, and in 2024 I become president and that lease is still in standing and my trust makes money from it while I serve my term.

The difference is that Trump enriched himself as a private citizen with an arms length business transaction; Joe Biden used his status as VP of the US to enrich himself. Not surprising, he never worked a real job in his life beyond being a life guard (supposedly) as a teenager and dealing with "roaches".

And securing a trademark in a foreign government is something you pay for, news flash. It isn't an emolument. Do you really think there was preferential treatment there?

Ok, let's put aside for a moment the idea that Trump did wrong. If we just assume you are right and agree that he did wrong, how do you possibly defend Joe Biden making money off a foreign government while in office or using his power to defend Hunter while in office?

The real question is, how deranged will you let your sense of reasoning become just to justify your hatred of Trump?
 
To be fair, this article about the trademarks does bring me a little more toward Jiggz but not much. Even in the article it says it is probably a coincidnce:

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I would think the trail of a trademark is pretty easily tracked. You pay your fees, you show you are the first, etc. and it is granted - but...

the president potentially doing something in return for the daughter getting something would be of a concern.

I just think this is a real stretch - much less so than Joe Biden bragging about getting an AG fired in a country where his son is working for a known corrupt company that the AG has stated he is investigating. Again, if you think Ivanka did wrong here...than you know that Biden is 1,000 times worse based on his admitted actions.
 
It's deadly to roughly 2% of all people. The difference is, Republicans don't care about the 2% at all.

Despite calling themselves Christian, which is an oxymoron considering the bible instructs them to care about the weak. They conveniently ignore that though in pursuit of individual freedoms.

What kills people is when you destroy the economy. You dont solve a "crisis" (LMFAO, this isnt the plague) by artificially creating another one.

Government doesnt give a rats ass about the weak, they prey on them so if you want christians to ask government to intervene to help the weak your asking christians to condone a death sentence.
 
The warning is heard, now if you dont want to risk your life go live in a freaking bubble.

Wheres the bubble? Id like to at least check it out.
 
Wheres the bubble? Id like to at least check it out.

Amazon prime. Someone will risk their lives to ship it to you. The good news is when you get it, can bring it out with you, its CCP-Virus proof.

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It's deadly to roughly 2% of all people. The difference is, Republicans don't care about the 2% at all.

Despite calling themselves Christian, which is an oxymoron considering the bible instructs them to care about the weak. They conveniently ignore that though in pursuit of individual freedoms.

It would be much easier for the 2% to stay home than to ruin the economy, communities and families by these current shutdowns. Even the health experts said more shutdowns would not help, but here we go.
 
It would be much easier for the 2% to stay home than to ruin the economy, communities and families by these current shutdowns. Even the health experts said more shutdowns would not help, but here we go.

My state is broke, King Cumho said even if we significantly raise everybody's taxes its not even close enough to take NY out of the whole. He is begging the Federal Government to print money out of shyt and hand it over to him. 10s of billions. Now he is shutting NY all over again (not that he ever really opened it) and saying government needs to hand over money to these business in the same sentence. Its completely irresponsible and its completely immoral.

Should have this been its original intent of shutting down for a week or 2 for government to unregulate it atrocious laws that limited medical capacities, need of use policies of medical equipment and out regulated the crap out of local communities to respond maybe this wouldnt have been a big deal, but me the tin foil hat told people not to trust government to ever strip people's liberties, not even a drip and now we see what has happened.
 
People are realizing and getting fed up


Protesters Interrupt Virtual Meeting By Showing Up At Health Officials' Homes

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alfred bourgeois is scheduled for execution today at the federal prison here in terre haute, if his execution is 'executed' he will be the 2nd in 2 days.

bourgeois was convicted of systematically abusing, torturing his 2 and a half year old daughter--including punching her in the face, whipping her with an electrical cord, and burning the bottom of her foot with a cigarette lighter, before eventually becoming enraged and slamming the back of her head into the window and dashboard of his truck and killing her.
 
Seriously man, you can do better.

And you are literally defending a man who made millions off the Chinese government from deals he made while in office, enriching himself while in office, and using a deal made 8 years before someone took office as your defense and claiming the person who made the deal when they were not an elected official is corrupt but Joe Biden is not?

Trump did not directly take that money from China. He handed off control of his businesses and put the towers in a trust, which he is the beneficiary of. As you've so aptly pointed out, it was ok for Jimmy Carter - so why is it not ok for Trump?

I don't care that Joe did business in China. I care that Joe did business in China WHILE he was in office. You want to talk about emoluments. That is a lot different than if I sign a lease with someone today, and in 2024 I become president and that lease is still in standing and my trust makes money from it while I serve my term.

The difference is that Trump enriched himself as a private citizen with an arms length business transaction; Joe Biden used his status as VP of the US to enrich himself. Not surprising, he never worked a real job in his life beyond being a life guard (supposedly) as a teenager and dealing with "roaches".

And securing a trademark in a foreign government is something you pay for, news flash. It isn't an emolument. Do you really think there was preferential treatment there?

Ok, let's put aside for a moment the idea that Trump did wrong. If we just assume you are right and agree that he did wrong, how do you possibly defend Joe Biden making money off a foreign government while in office or using his power to defend Hunter while in office?

The real question is, how deranged will you let your sense of reasoning become just to justify your hatred of Trump?
Where did I ever defend Biden? I don't know anything about his dealings, i was merely pointing out the hypocrisy you guys have when Trump is also profiting off China dealings directly from the Chinese Govt.
 
The warning is heard, now if you dont want to risk your life go live in a freaking bubble.
Who gives them priority? Societies are made up of people accountable to each other. You can't rob, steal or murder without potential for repercussion. Therefore, you want to risk your life? Fine, but get out of the society and do it.

You dont get to be an a**hole because you think you are entitled to it. If you want to be, move.
 
It would be much easier for the 2% to stay home than to ruin the economy, communities and families by these current shutdowns. Even the health experts said more shutdowns would not help, but here we go.
You're only accounting for death. What's the hospital admittance rate at for the US now?

Even your lord and savior Trump had to be carted off to hospital for treatment. Why didnt get stay home like hes telling everyone else to?

I firmly think that if you willfully put yourself at risk then need health treatment, you should be kicked to the curb
 
People are realizing and getting fed up


Protesters Interrupt Virtual Meeting By Showing Up At Health Officials' Homes

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These people are trying to protect the vulnerable and you're defending entitled a**holes who turn up to their homes?

You're 100% the problem.

Bet you think you're a Christian as well lol
 
Who gives them priority? Societies are made up of people accountable to each other. You can't rob, steal or murder without potential for repercussion. Therefore, you want to risk your life? Fine, but get out of the society and do it.

You dont get to be an a**hole because you think you are entitled to it. If you want to be, move.
democrats have proposed to release ALL non-violent prisoners.

not sure how they define non-violent-if they just hold a gun to head without pulling the trigger when taking your wallet do they determine this non-violent?
 
democrats have proposed to release ALL non-violent prisoners.

not sure how they define non-violent-if they just hold a gun to head without pulling the trigger when taking your wallet do they determine this non-violent?
No, that's violent.
 
Who gives them priority? Societies are made up of people accountable to each other. You can't rob, steal or murder without potential for repercussion. Therefore, you want to risk your life? Fine, but get out of the society and do it.

You dont get to be an a**hole because you think you are entitled to it. If you want to be, move.

Go live in a bubble, and dont drive, what if you hit somebody?
 
Go live in a bubble, and dont drive, what if you hit somebody?
Leave the society if you dislike it that much. You are accountable to others while in a society, if you dont want to be, leave.

Simple.

Stop pretending you are entitled. You're not.
 
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