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ax1 said:
No, the Jiggzz is right, keeping the stolen tax payer military industrial complex fund flowing along with the money made off the war on drugs.

And lets not forget, the US created Al-CiaEDA
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That’s not on the military. Military fights to win. In this case it was a fight with two hands tied behind their back. We have the capability to completely crush anyone. John Q. Public could not stomach it. ROE sucks.
 
thebigt said:
nba postpones playoffs to protest blake shooting....i bet the chinese are very unhappy, lol.
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Its ridiculous, the NBA had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting...and sports are having hard times economically trying to do what they can to survive, and now you want to take it out on sports fans?????

I can understand boycotting the white house, but this is absolute lunacy.
 
jswain34 said:
The first guy he shot (and killed) threw a molotov cocktail at the shooter as the shooter was running from him seconds before he was shot. I dont blame the guy for shooting that guy. With that said, I most definitely dont want a bunch of 17 year olds with semi auto rifles out self “patrolling” the streets with zero guidance other than their underdeveloped frontal lobes.
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Who else will stand up? I give the kid props for having the courage to go and stand up for the defenseless in the face of overwhelming opposition. And FYI 17 is the age one can go join the military and they carry guns.
 
dixonk said:
That’s not on the military. Military fights to win. In this case it was a fight with two hands tied behind their back. We have the capability to completely crush anyone. John Q. Public could not stomach it. ROE sucks.
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There is video of the military protecting the poppy farms and even soldiers paying off poppy farmers our own tax money just because the Taliban lit some of their crops on fire, the soldier even said he feels bad and apologized to him as he is handing out cash.

Thats on record, not even going to express what I think the CIA is doing there, but yes US Troops helped grow poppy and even helped export it.

Why you think the US Government assasinated Pat Tillman?
 
ax1 said:
There is video of the military protecting the poppy farms and even soldiers paying off poppy farmers our own tax money just because the Taliban lit some of their crops on fire, the soldier even said he feels bad and apologized to him as he is handing out cash.

Thats on record, not even going to express what I think the CIA is doing there, but yes US Troops helped grow poppy and even helped export it.

Why you think the US Government assasinated Pat Tillman?
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I’m not touching that lol. I think somewhere in NY a Walmart is out of tin foil.
 
Jiigzz said:
I looked those up, and casualties are low. That's the point I'm making. Any kind of attack if feasible, but there shouldnt really be any argument that if you want to inflict the most harm with a minimal amount of planning, you use a firearm.

That doesn't make firearms bad, it's just a statement of fact.

Again the same arguments are being presented; unless you cant stop all murders, there shouldnt be any laws at all.
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No they’re not man! You evidently didn’t look close enough.
 
dixonk said:
Who else will stand up? I give the kid props for having the courage to go and stand up for the defenseless in the face of overwhelming opposition. And FYI 17 is the age one can go join the military and they carry guns.
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But in the military there is “guidance other than their underdeveloped frontal lobes” - you must have skipped that very important part of my post.
 
jswain34 said:
But in the military there is “guidance other than their underdeveloped frontal lobes” - you must have skipped that very important part of my post.
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Lol. How old do you think people are in the military? I think people often don’t realize just how young most of them are. I was running a squad before I could buy a beer.
 
dixonk said:
Lol. How old do you think people are in the military? I think people often don’t realize just how young most of them are. I was running a squad before I could buy a beer.
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Is there no chain of command, leadership, training? Or is it just a bunch of 17 year olds out there running wild with zero training or direction? Come on dude, dont play dumb.
 
dixonk said:
The two guys he shot both attacked him while he was running away. One of them beat him with a skateboard and the other pulled a gun. The one that pulled a gun is a felon and was illegally carrying.

It’s about time someone checked these rioters. Fuggem.
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It seems the news sources unread omitted that. No surprises there.

Tha is for the info
 
dixonk said:
That’s not on the military. Military fights to win. In this case it was a fight with two hands tied behind their back. We have the capability to completely crush anyone. John Q. Public could not stomach it. ROE sucks.
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Agreed. If you absolutely wanted to, you could.
 
dixonk said:
I’m not touching that lol. I think somewhere in NY a Walmart is out of tin foil.
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Here are a couple of video's, there used to be more on youtube that reallys stood out but cant find them they probably have been taken down over the years.

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jswain34 said:
Is there no chain of command, leadership, training? Or is it just a bunch of 17 year olds out there running wild with zero training or direction? Come on dude, dont play dumb.
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You know the training the 17 year old got? Do you know there was no organizer or structure in place when they were defending property? Not all teenagers are brain dead morons. My son is 15 and he can run and gun with the best of them. He has been training with me for years. When SHTF he will arm up and defend our castle right alongside me.
 
Cant believe this isnt news, and I still dont agree with what the officer did, but having this guy as the face of the movement is an absolute joke.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

Defense attorneys argue drug overdose and pre-existing health conditions caused Floyd's death.

MINNEAPOLIS — New documents filed in the George Floyd case give new information about the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's findings in Floyd's autopsy.

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.

"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

Defense attorneys for the officers have signaled they will argue Floyd died from the drugs and pre-existing health conditions.

The new documents say Floyd had a "heavy heart" and "at least one artery was approximately 75% blocked."

full story:
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ax1 said:
Here are a couple of video's, there used to be more on youtube that reallys stood out but cant find them they probably have been taken down over the years.

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There is more than meets the eye there. A lot of payoffs are to placate local warlords. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Afghan is a whole level of craziness at the tribal levels. But I won’t go deep into this conversation, because you know...the thing.
 
This has been out for a couple of weeks now and I only heard about it yesterday,

Seems like he is having serious issues in the car crying cluster-phobia, he was even claiming he cant breath inside the car.

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dixonk said:
You know the training the 17 year old got? Do you know there was no organizer or structure in place when they were defending property? Not all teenagers are brain dead morons. My son is 15 and he can run and gun with the best of them. He has been training with me for years. When SHTF he will arm up and defend our castle right alongside me.
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Ok so cherry pick your single anecdote and apply it to my statement saying I dont want a bunch of 17 year olds willy-nilly wielding firearms trying to uphold law and order on their own accord 🤪🤪. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say your son likely does have great firearms training and could probably hold his own in a high stress encounter without acting foolishly. Does that mean you think every fucking random 17 year old guy that wants to pick up a gun and go walk the streets has the dame discipline?
 
ax1 said:
This has been out for a couple of weeks now and I only heard about it yesterday,

Seems like he is having serious issues in the car crying cluster-phobia, he was even claiming he cant breath inside the car.

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Cities burned and riots happened because a drug riddled criminal was high on drugs in commission of a crime and resisted arrest. Now they are burning and rioting again because a child rapist was resisting arrest with a knife in his hand. You can’t make this **** up.
 
Gotta say that I 100% agree with the changes made to testing guidelines today. The requirements in place for simply being around someone that might have COVID is ridiculous with the mandatory quarantines and tests.
 
dixonk said:
There is more than meets the eye there. A lot of payoffs are to placate local warlords. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Afghan is a whole level of craziness at the tribal levels. But I won’t go deep into this conversation, because you know...the thing.
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Thats fine Ill just keep the foil on lol

I actually like you dont come after me accusing me of hating America or hating the troops. Ive heard this in my real encounters in life, I have nothing but love for our troops. I just hate politicians and disagree with the policies.

Our troops are professionals, they do what they are asked and dont hesitate to finish the task. I love them!
 
jswain34 said:
Ok so cherry pick your single anecdote and apply it to my statement saying I dont want a bunch of 17 year olds willy-nilly wielding firearms trying to uphold law and order on their own accord 🤪🤪. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say your son likely does have great firearms training and could probably hold his own in a high stress encounter without acting foolishly. Does that mean you think every fucking random 17 year old guy that wants to pick up a gun and go walk the streets has the dame discipline?
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It’s only allowed for you to cherry pick I suppose? I gave you many examples of teenagers successfully wielding firearms in defense of home and country. You are the one assuming they are all a bunch of brain dead morons dependent on direction to make a decision.
 
sammpedd88 said:
How is he carrying a firearm illegally?
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What is the age for open carry in Wisconsin? Once you find that out, you'll have your answer.
 
ax1 said:
Thats fine Ill just keep the foil on lol

I actually like you dont come after me accusing me of hating America or hating the troops. Ive heard this in my real encounters in life, I have nothing but love for our troops. I just hate politicians and disagree with the policies.

Our troops are professionals, they do what they are asked and dont hesitate to finish the task. I love them!
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I actually enjoy the conspiracy theories. I don’t think you come off as anti American. Quite the opposite really. And believe me some of the best conspiracy theories come during down times amongst the military.
 
ax1 said:
Cant believe this isnt news, and I still dont agree with what the officer did, but having this guy as the face of the movement is an absolute joke.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

Defense attorneys argue drug overdose and pre-existing health conditions caused Floyd's death.

MINNEAPOLIS — New documents filed in the George Floyd case give new information about the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's findings in Floyd's autopsy.

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.

"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

Defense attorneys for the officers have signaled they will argue Floyd died from the drugs and pre-existing health conditions.

The new documents say Floyd had a "heavy heart" and "at least one artery was approximately 75% blocked."

full story:
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Ah yes, he died due to his fentanyl overdose haha. Defense attorneys are going to argue that he coincidentally died from drug overdose and pre-existing conditions, and ot because an officer had his knee on his neck for a prolonged period despite being under control.

The arrest may have been lawful, the knee on his neck for 8 minutes probably not so much
 
Jiigzz said:
What is the age for open carry in Wisconsin? Once you find that out, you'll have your answer.
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He had a rifle not a pistol. There is no rule on open carrying a long gun. In WI a person under 18 in possession of a “dangerous weapon” is a misdemeanor.
 
Jiigzz said:
What is the age for open carry in Wisconsin? Once you find that out, you'll have your answer.
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He had a rifle not a pistol. There is no rule on open carrying a long gun. In WI a person under 18 in possession of a “dangerous weapon” is a misdemeanor.
 
dixonk said:
He had a rifle not a pistol. There is no rule on open carrying a long gun. In WI a person under 18 in possession of a “dangerous weapon” is a misdemeanor.
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I can only find things that specify firearms in general. If he is found guilty of murder, then from that point on I will assume he was not executing his lawful right to shoot and kill someone. I'll hold for that until I pass judgement.

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Wisconsin generally prohibits the intentional transfer of any firearm to an individual under age 18.1
The state also generally prohibits the possession of a firearm by any person under age 18.2
These restrictions do not apply, however, when the firearm is being used by a person under age 18 when supervised by an adult during target practice or a course of instruction.3
 
Jiigzz said:
Ah yes, he died due to his fentanyl overdose haha. Defense attorneys are going to argue that he coincidentally died from drug overdose and pre-existing conditions, and ot because an officer had his knee on his neck for a prolonged period despite being under control.

The arrest may have been lawful, the knee on his neck for 8 minutes probably not so much
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Its not an excuse, I agree 100% knee on neck while handcuffed claiming I cant breath, it almost sounds like he need medical assistance before that ever happened. Its really a messy situation that should be heavily researched so this doesnt happen again, and not just the knee part but how to read people who are apparently having a bad reaction to strong drugs and being under a very stressful situation. It does bother me that this is barely discussed because obviously it doesnt seem there is too much to gain from it at this point and the consequences that may come from it.
 
Jiigzz said:
Last updated November 1, 2019.

Wisconsin generally prohibits the intentional transfer of any firearm to an individual under age 18.1
The state also generally prohibits the possession of a firearm by any person under age 18.2
These restrictions do not apply, however, when the firearm is being used by a person under age 18 when supervised by an adult during target practice or a course of instruction.3
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Again his possession is a misdemeanor.
 
dixonk said:
He had a rifle not a pistol. There is no rule on open carrying a long gun. In WI a person under 18 in possession of a “dangerous weapon” is a misdemeanor.
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Btw I'll add that of all the things to care about, him carrying a gun is at the bottom of the list. It's more whether he was justified or not in taking the life.

I have no real feelings either way. I can see why people are out protecting businesses so it's just meh for me
 
ax1 said:
Its not an excuse, I agree 100% knee on neck while handcuffed claiming I cant breath, it almost sounds like he need medical assistance before that ever happened. Its really a messy situation that should be heavily researched so this doesnt happen again, and not just the knee part but how to read people who are apparently having a bad reaction to strong drugs and being under a very stressful situation. It does bother me that this is barely discussed because obviously it doesnt seem there is too much to gain from it at this point and the consequences that may come from it.
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FWIW, I havent really looked into it. I dont assume any black person dying at the hands of a white cop is due to racism. At the minimum, it was probably excessive force resulting in death.

I dont think he intended to kill the guy
 
Jiigzz said:
Btw I'll add that of all the things to care about, him carrying a gun is at the bottom of the list. It's more whether he was justified or not in taking the life.

I have no real feelings either way. I can see why people are out protecting businesses so it's just meh for me
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Watch the video of the incident. Stevie wonder could see he was justified. He was on the ground getting beat after being knocked down while running away.
 
dixonk said:
Watch the video of the incident. Stevie wonder could see he was justified. He was on the ground getting beat after being knocked down while running away.
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I will when I'm off mobile data. I had read somewhere that he killed someone then got chased and beaten. But I'll wait for more evidence
 
Jiigzz said:
I will when I'm off mobile data. I had read somewhere that he killed someone then got chased and beaten. But I'll wait for more evidence
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They were chasing him and threw a Molotov cocktail at him. Lot of crystal clear video available all over twitter.
 
jswain34 said:
The first guy he shot (and killed) threw a molotov cocktail at the shooter as the shooter was running from him seconds before he was shot. I dont blame the guy for shooting that guy. With that said, I most definitely dont want a bunch of 17 year olds with semi auto rifles out self “patrolling” the streets with zero guidance other than their underdeveloped frontal lobes.
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Careful with the "undeveloped lobes" comment. People enlist at 17 and in war at 18....
 
dixonk said:
They were chasing him and threw a Molotov cocktail at him. Lot of crystal clear video available all over twitter.
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I'll have a watch once I get home
 
manifesto said:
Careful with the "undeveloped lobes" comment. People enlist at 17 and in war at 18....
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I already went through that with him. I see a lot of 25-30 year olds in the streets acting stupid. My son and his friends of his age group all think they are stupid.
 
Jiigzz said:
I will when I'm off mobile data. I had read somewhere that he killed someone then got chased and beaten. But I'll wait for more evidence
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Thats correct. From what I’ve pieced together from multiple different videos:

Molotov cocktail thrown at him when trying to stop someone from breaking into or lighting fire to a car dealership

Shoots the guy who threw the molotov and kills him, after running running away while the molotov was being thrown at him.

Runs down the street (question as to whether he ran past cops or not here - some of my friends who are liberal are claiming he ran right past a line of cops who saw him shoot the guy, no idea if thats true or not)

Couple guys come try to subdue him or attack him - depending on what your political affiliation is, apparently.

Shoots another guy in the bicep (this guy had a gun from what I saw a picture of and im assuming is the guy dixon said was a felon)

Shoots another guy somewhere and kills him

No idea what happens after that until he was arrested this afternoon and charged with homicide.
 
manifesto said:
Careful with the "undeveloped lobes" comment. People enlist at 17 and in war at 18....
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Again...where there is a chain of command, leadership from more experienced individuals, organization, training. Which was, as I repeated once already, the point of me saying “no OTHER guidance......” in the post i made.
 
Jiigzz said:
What is the age for open carry in Wisconsin? Once you find that out, you'll have your answer.
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Federal law says he can carry a long gun. Wisconsin allows anyone to carry a long gun under certain circumstances. He was there protecting a store from rioters. If he is lawfully on the premise then he can lawfully possess the long gun. It’s my understanding he was chased, had a handgun pointed at him, and assaulted. Therefore possessing the long gun he had is lawful. Have you seen an article stating he can’t possess a long gun? In the videos I’ve seen, the murder charge is BS.
 
The NBA is such a joke...i hope the whole league collapses. Ill never watch again.
 
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This is worth re-posting.
 
manifesto said:
The NBA is such a joke...i hope the whole league collapses. Ill never watch again.
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This is an extreme reaction for people exercising their constitutional right. Isn’t the right to peaceful protest sacred? Why do you take issue with people exercising their constitutional right?
 
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He hasn't been convicted yet. Innocent until proven guilty, presumed guilt is how people end up getting shot in the back.

If hes guilty, then he will serve the time for his abhorrent crime. But being charged is not the same as being guilty.

This type of argument is supposed to make you feel less compassionate toward someone who was unjustly treated by law enforcement and detract from the main issue.

Heck, saying Geirge Floyd is just a junkie and was probably going to die anyway is trying to undermine the fact that he was killed while in police custody.

They may well be criminals, but the question is, was the action against them justified given the circumstances?
 
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