Donald Trump running for president

justhere4comm said:
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and you are speaking from experience as a vet, right?

the VA sucked, and I mean totally sucked during obama era, it is incredible how much the VA has improved since trump took office. there is a reason the majority of vets support trump.
 
thebigt said:
and you are speaking from experience as a vet, right?

the VA sucked, and I mean totally sucked during obama era, it is incredible how much the VA has improved since trump took office. there is a reason the majority of vets support trump.
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Wasn't it under Bareback Inseain Obobo's era that vets were found in VA hospital basements left to die even though they had treatable injuries and illnesses in order to cut costs? And then people wanted Obobo to further socialize health care.....RRROOOFFFLLLLL!!!!
 
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This is new research leaning towards my speculation that alot of people had this way before "patient zero."

A new study claims there were at least 10,600 COVID-19 cases in New York State before officials knew of the first confirmed case.

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ax1 said:
This is new research leaning towards my speculation that alot of people had this way before "patient zero."

A new study claims there were at least 10,600 COVID-19 cases in New York State before officials knew of the first confirmed case.

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Maybe, even probably. It's an estimate model based on what supposedly happened in China and other countries.
 
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Trump just barely beat Hillary in Michigan in 2016 (47.3% to 47%); why is it such a surprise that he may not win the state in 2020? And Obama won the State in 2012 and 2008. Kerry won it in 2004, and Gore in 2000.

In other words, in 4 of the last 5 elections, Michigan was won by the Democratic candidate; Trump was the exception to the rule in 2016, and barely won.

In fact, the 1992 and 1996 elections also went Blue in Michigan, so 7 of the last 8 nods in Michigan went to the Democrats.

What is your point? It’s not like Michigan is some historically overwhelmingly Red State or something.

Edit: and wasn’t the general consensus that Trump stood no chance against Hillary, but he got elected anyway.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Trump just barely beat Hillary in Michigan in 2016 (47.3% to 47%); why is it such a surprise that he may not win the state in 2020? And Obama won the State in 2012 and 2008. Kerry won it in 2004, and Gore in 2000.

In other words, in 4 of the last 5 elections, Michigan was won by the Democratic candidate; Trump was the exception to the rule in 2016, and barely won.

In fact, the 1992 and 1996 elections also went Blue in Michigan, so 7 of the last 8 nods in Michigan went to the Democrats.

What is your point? It’s not like Michigan is some historically overwhelmingly Red State or something.

Edit: and wasn’t the general consensus that Trump stood no chance against Hillary, but he got elected anyway.
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a whole lot of screwed over farmers in that state too
 
ax1 said:
Makes no difference, same pile of crap. Either way you have filth and trash and their policies are barely any different.

Vote Judge Gray/Larry Sharpe 2020!

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Already part of the military industrial complex and wants to raise the minimum wage. Other than being against the war on drugs, I don't see what you like in them.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
a whole lot of screwed over farmers in that state too
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I'm not suggesting otherwise, but I just don't see how Trump potentially not winning a state that's gone Blue in 7 of the last 8 elections, and that Trump won by only the slimmest of margins in 2016, is somehow a sure sign that he's going to lose the election like justhere seems to suggest. But maybe I'm misinterpreting his point in the post?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm not suggesting otherwise, but I just don't see how Trump potentially not winning a state that's gone Blue in 7 of the last 8 elections, and that Trump won by only the slimmest of margins in 2016, is somehow a sure sign that he's going to lose the election like justhere seems to suggest. But maybe I'm misinterpreting his point in the post?
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I don't want to speak for them, but I took the original post as just showing an example of when Fox lets bad news for Trump slip through. It wouldn't be shocking for him to lose Michigan, but to say so out loud on Fox doesn't fit with the "emperor's new clothes" narrative and typically ends with Trump yelling at Fox and calling the numbers fake.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I don't want to speak for them, but I took the original post as just showing an example of when Fox lets bad news for Trump slip through. It wouldn't be shocking for him to lose Michigan, but to say so out loud on Fox doesn't fit with the "emperor's new clothes" narrative and typically ends with Trump yelling at Fox and calling the numbers fake.
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Fair enough. That said, the idea that Trump stood no chance in 2016 was likely a contributing factor in his winning the election. That is, some people didn't take his chances seriously, and perhaps some people didn't show up to vote for Hillary, thinking that she was such a lock to win that she didn't need their vote to win. I think trying to paint an honest picture is in the best interest of everyone, that way no one becomes overconfident/complacent in the election, which I think could happen the other way this time around, if people on the right start to assume that Biden stands no chance against Trump. Just my $0.02 on the issue.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Fair enough. That said, the idea that Trump stood no chance in 2016 was likely a contributing factor in his winning the election. That is, some people didn't take his chances seriously, and perhaps some people didn't show up to vote for Hillary, thinking that she was such a lock to win that she didn't need their vote to win. I think trying to paint an honest picture is in the best interest of everyone, that way no one becomes overconfident/complacent in the election, which I think could happen the other way this time around, if people on the right start to assume that Biden stands no chance against Trump. Just my $0.02 on the issue.
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If you know how to read polls and understand percentages and probabilities, you knew in 2015 that Trump had a very real chance. If you listened to MSM and trusted national averages, you thought Hillary was a lock.

Trump had a 30% chance last time. Things with a 30% of happening happen about 30% of the time. Things with a 30% do not have a 0% chance of happening just because 70 is bigger than 30. Most importantly, Trump does not have some magical power that turned a 30% chance into a 100% chance. The underdog won last time, that's all.

That being said, I currently have this thing at a coin flip.
 
nostrum420 said:
If you know how to read polls and understand percentages and probabilities, you knew in 2015 that Trump had a very real chance. If you listened to MSM and trusted national averages, you thought Hillary was a lock.

Trump had a 30% chance last time. Things with a 30% of happening happen about 30% of the time. Things with a 30% do not have a 0% chance of happening just because 70 is bigger than 30. Most importantly, Trump does not have some magical power that turned a 30% chance into a 100% chance. The underdog won last time, that's all.

That being said, I currently have this thing at a coin flip.
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And would you agree that the overwhelming majority of the general population listens more to MSM than they know about probability and statistics?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Already part of the military industrial complex and wants to raise the minimum wage. Other than being against the war on drugs, I don't see what you like in them.
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Ill have to research his ties to the MIC deeper, but for starters he supports the idea of having The House as the decider of interventionism...which in of course we need to clear out too.

Minimum wage, although I have my feelings its on the bottom of my list (doesnt mean it doesnt matter) along with picking on illegals for destroying our country. Im not into fixing the system from the very bottom of poor people and going up.

Actually, Im not really a Gray guy, Im a Sharpe guy and this is the perfect platform for him to grow nationally. Im supporting Gray for Sharpe.

This is my compromise this year assuming they win the Primaries which they upsettingly cancelled in NY.
 
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Overdone? LMFAO.
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Yes, absolutely. Thats where I stand as well. That doesnt mean I dont think we have a bad medical crisis in our hands but the policies are mostly irresponsible.
 
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Aleksandar37 said:
Already part of the military industrial complex and wants to raise the minimum wage. Other than being against the war on drugs, I don't see what you like in them.
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What led you to believe he is Military Complex anyways? My understanding is he supports non-foreign interventionist policies on top of not allowing the Presidency be a dictator post like Dump and Obobo had been.
 
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What led you to believe he is Military Complex anyways? My understanding is he supports non-foreign interventionist policies on top of not allowing the Presidency be a dictator post like Dump and Obobo had been.
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I meant more Sharpe. Ex-Marines, topographic intelligence specialist. Hard to believe he wouldn't be a fan of drones.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I meant more Sharpe. Ex-Marines, topographic intelligence specialist. Hard to believe he wouldn't be a fan of drones.
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Maybe his experience in the military has lead him to not want to be involved in a ton of unnecessary wars or "foreign conflicts?" I don't know a ton about him admittedly, but maybe?
 
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I meant more Sharpe. Ex-Marines, topographic intelligence specialist. Hard to believe he wouldn't be a fan of drones.
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I dont hold that against him at all personally, I think that can be a positive or a negative depending on the person. On the oppositie end we had McCain which was certainly developed into a negative. Then you have Jesse Ventura who is another ex-marine who took it and turned his experiences to a positive.

I appreciate his services to our Country, I just cant feel to put that against him.
 
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muscleupcrohn said:
Maybe his experience in the military has lead him to not want to be involved in a ton of unnecessary wars or "foreign conflicts?" I don't know a ton about him admittedly, but maybe?
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He has only supported ending all these wars and foreign interventionism.

His experience is a plus imo.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
As far as I can tell, not many do as he hasn't given many answers on major stances.
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He has over and over again, but its not going out on the mainstream much so if your not looking for it you wont, but if you listen to 100 hours of his podcast you will understand he absolutely does give his stances and just about everything and anything.

If you want, you can go to his Podcast live on Monday and call him.
 
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ax1 said:
He has over and over again, but its not going out on the mainstream much so if your not looking for it you wont, but if you listed to 100 hours of his podcast you will understand he absolutely does give his stances and just about everything and anything.

If you want, you can go to his Podcast live on Monday and call him.
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And I promised more recess time when I ran for student council in grade school. Has he held any political office at all? I can give him the benefit of the doubt, but actions speak to me more than words. And I'll be the first to admit how cynical I am about this subject, but it's the same promises and then the same change once they actually get into office and see what reality is.
 
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And I promised more recess time when I ran for student council in grade school. Has he held any political office at all? I can give him the benefit of the doubt, but actions speak to me more than words. And I'll be the first to admit how cynical I am about this subject, but it's the same promises and then the same change once they actually get into office and see what reality is.
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He has never held office, that doesnt matter to me but can help if you have experience for sure..... he resembles my political view of the world closer than anyone so thats my guy.
 
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I dont hold that against him at all personally, I think that can be a positive or a negative depending on the person. On the oppositie end we had McCain which was certainly developed into a negative. Then you have Jesse Venturawho is another ex-marine who took it and turned his experiences to a positive.

I appreciate his services to our Country, I just cant feel to put that against him.
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You're right. I don't mean to punish him for his service and that may be how I'm coming off. I just have yet to meet a Marine who wasn't in favor of blowing **** up.
 
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You're right. I don't mean to punish him for his service and that may be how I'm coming off. I just have yet to meet a Marine who wasn't in favor of blowing **** up.
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You have to answer ask these questions and have this type of skepticism.

I trust no one when it comes to politics, but at the same time Im not really a complete pessimist....just close.
 
Odd. What former President that ever served was first to want to invade?
I don't know of any, and additional, none of my family that has or is serving are the kind to want to blow-sh*t-up.
Not one of them. They are opposite of that.
 
Other than that fucking coke head.
He really never Served in combat... unless it's combatting how to put his own pants on.
 
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well I started with Marines, that got the goalpost moved to all military, and now it's at only specific kinds of serving. Let me know when the criteria stops changing and I'll waste my time answering lmao
 
Maybe Marines are just all violent, that's what you are saying.

Bush was an aviator for the Texas Air National Guard.
Where did you set the goal post again? Are we only resigned to Marines? because Bush wasn't a Marine.
He was more of a Maryanne.

What was that about goal posts?

If you want to correct the entries here, I'm sure it's open to challenge.
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justhere4comm said:
Maybe Marines are just all violent, that's what you are saying.

Bush was an aviator for the Texas Air National Guard.
Where did you set the goal post again? Are we only resigned to Marines? because Bush wasn't a Marine.
He was more of a Maryanne.

What was that about goal posts?

If you want to correct the entries here, I'm sure it's open to challenge.
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Wow....Maryanne? Was that an original of yours, lol! NICE!
 
justhere4comm said:
Maybe Marines are just all violent, that's what you are saying.

Bush was an aviator for the Texas Air National Guard.
Where did you set the goal post again? Are we only resigned to Marines? because Bush wasn't a Marine.
He was more of a Maryanne.

What was that about goal posts?

If you want to correct the entries here, I'm sure it's open to challenge.
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I started the conversation about Marines, you moved to all military and asked a general question about Presidents that have served. Those goalposts. I actually answered your question and no President has ever served in the Marines. You want another example of general service, fine, move to Bush Sr...Reagan...
 
nostrum420 said:
If you know how to read polls and understand percentages and probabilities, you knew in 2015 that Trump had a very real chance. If you listened to MSM and trusted national averages, you thought Hillary was a lock.

Trump had a 30% chance last time. Things with a 30% of happening happen about 30% of the time. Things with a 30% do not have a 0% chance of happening just because 70 is bigger than 30. Most importantly, Trump does not have some magical power that turned a 30% chance into a 100% chance. The underdog won last time, that's all.

That being said, I currently have this thing at a coin flip.
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I think it will depend on format of debates...if democrats actually do run biden, then they better hope the debates aren't one on one on a stage...after 10 minutes the biden gaffes will start and trump knows how to trigger people-just look how triggered justhere is, lol.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
And would you agree that the overwhelming majority of the general population listens more to MSM than they know about probability and statistics?
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Yes. I'm just saying that people who've extrapolated 2016 out to the conclusion that no polling means anything ever are just as dumb as the people that are listening to MSM talk about national averages and think Trump is done for.
 
thebigt said:
I think it will depend on format of debates...if democrats actually do run biden, then they better hope the debates aren't one on one on a stage...after 10 minutes the biden gaffes will start and trump knows how to trigger people-just look how triggered justhere is, lol.
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People who support Biden will overlook his gaffes and be incensed by Trump's trolling and say Biden seemed more "presidential." People who like Trump will say he "owned the libz."

Mostly it'll just be an up or down vote on Trump and he may still have enough support in swing states to pull it out. Again, coin flip, IMO.
 
nostrum420 said:
People who support Biden will overlook his gaffes and be incensed by Trump's trolling and say Biden seemed more "presidential." People who like Trump will say he "owned the libz."

Mostly it'll just be an up or down vote on Trump and he may still have enough support in swing states to pull it out. Again, coin flip, IMO.
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again, it depends on if biden can hold it together-a debate against trump won't be easy for a guy who has been having trouble focusing even when not in stressful situations-and I am being kind.
 
thebigt said:
again, it depends on if biden can hold it together-a debate against trump won't be easy for a guy who has been having trouble focusing even when not in stressful situations-and I am being kind.
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I think he'll make the kinds of mistakes you're talking about. I'm saying those gaffes won't matter to people who've decided Trump's gotta go, no matter what.
 
nostrum420 said:
I think it was, if a Marine would make a good president. I got a new kind of whiskey today, so I might be wrong...
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Oh whisky... what kind?
I've got some crazy old sh*t in the cabinet I inherited from my dad.
I open it yearly to taste.. still amazing if not smoother than ever. Try about 35-50 years old each.
I know they don't age in the bottle or do they?
 
justhere4comm said:
Oh whisky... what kind?
I've got some crazy old sh*t in the cabinet I inherited from my dad.
I open it yearly to taste.. still amazing if not smoother than ever. Try about 35-50 years old each.
I know they don't age in the bottle or do they?
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It does age in the bottle but typically when they talk about aging it's about how much time it spent in the oak barrel soaking up phenols and tannins and whatnot.
 
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