Test/Dien E w/ a DMZ kicker

Sparkss

Sparkss

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Starting stats:

193 lbs
BF: around 19% (Omron handheld, so take that into account)
5'10"
50 years old
Waist: 34"
Midsection: 36" ~ 36.5"
BP (Upon waking): 118/65

Goal:

Lean bulk / recomp

Daily supps:

Doctor prescribed TRT @ 150 mg/wk
Fish oil, NAC, cholesterol support, multi-vitamin, joint support, probiotic (Evomuse Gut Health), DIM
VL Necrosis
Evomuse DCP
50mg ~ 75 mg oral trest PWO (VL Blood Drops)
MK-677

On cycle daily supps (in addition to normal daily supps):

Hawthorn berry, telmisartan, amlodipine, CoQ10, TUDCA, acetyl-glutathione and at least a gallon of water

On cycle supps (standby/as needed):

Cialis, exem, ralox and caber

I work out 3 to 4 days a week, mainly because my joints won't tolerate much more than that, and I have found that my CNS exhausts quicker as I got older. I know some older guys can still hit the weights 4 to 5 days a week, or maybe more, unfortunately I am not one of them :(.

Products used (cycle):

VL Cadaver Candy (DMZ)
ZF Dienolone Enanthate
Test Cyp
VL Necrosis

Proposed cycle:

Weeks 2 - 6 DMZ 30/30/30/45?
Weeks 1 - 10 Dien E 400 mg/wk
Weeks 1 - 14 Test C 500 mg/wk

Notes:

I didn't start the DMZ until this week due to some scheduling conflicts.
The 10 weeks of Dien E is being driven by the amount I have on hand and how long it will last at the current dosage. That dosage may go up as well as my ordering more as I get further into the cycle and assess how my body reacts, both good and bad.
I will be logging as I go, but it will be more about progress and physiological effects (positive/negative) than it will be about a workout centric log. I do track my workouts, so I will be reporting on strength and/or endurance progress, but I will not be logging each individual workout.
Current DMZ dosing is morning/evening
I may run the Test past 14 weeks, all depending on when my doctor schedules my next blood draw. I will need to revert to my TRT dosage at least 44 days prior to the blood test.
 
Some before pictures (taken today), although these are after my workout, so somewhat "inflated" from the workout pump. But the ones I took before hand turned out crappy. Not that the lighting in these is much better.

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The first one was also a bit misleading as it covered up my spare tire with the arms and phone. This one you can see what I am trying to lose.

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I don't have "list list" handy, but here are a couple of my fellow old timers that I could think of :). Please tag anyone that I may have missed. I am a little behind on AM lately :)
hairygrandpa, Studhorse, MrKleen73, Rocket3015, SFreed, BEAST73

BP on Monday about an hour or 2 after the first DMZ dose was 127/71
BP yesterday, 1 hour after DMZ dose (plus a cup of coffee) was 129/71, and about 4 hours later 130/70

I track BP closely as I am very sensitive to any supps that impact BP. If I even look at a bottle of Msten my BP goes up 20 points *sigh*.

I was down to 189.8 lbs Monday morning, before starting DMZ. This morning I weighed in at 191, but that is within my normal fluctuation range.

Today was a pretty decent workout, I had lots of energy and even hit extra reps on several exercises, however it was also the first one back after having been off for 4 days (last workout was last Friday, before I left on my trip). So it could just have been a fully recharged CNS :)
 
 
Oh and Also 1st !!!!!
 
Thanks Rocket!

Sup Studhorse?

Didn't know that about SFreed, guess I am further behind on AM than I thought :).
 
I thank you for the kind invitation to the party! I've got BBQ, who wants some!?

:afro:
 
I'm in....i'm considering a run of dmz myself so interested in how this treats you.
 
thebigt said:
I'm in....i'm considering a run of dmz myself so interested in how this treats you.
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A guy at the gym was running 4 weeks cycle of DMZ with Derma trest and said he was getting nose bleeds at week 3, He told me he never gets nose bleeds. It was pretty cold here at that time plus it might have been his blood pressure? just a little gym rat feedback!
I have no idea what his dosage was.
 
Studhorse said:
A guy at the gym was running 4 weeks cycle of DMZ with Derma trest and said he was getting nose bleeds at week 3, He told me he never gets nose bleeds. It was pretty cold here at that time plus it might have been his blood pressure? just a little gym rat feedback!
I have no idea what his dosage was.
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I aint messin with no trest!!!
 
Cool cycle!

50mg ~ 75 mg oral trest PWO
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If you get the slightest sensitivity in your nipples, drop trest immediately. 75mg could be a titty-maker. From my experience, no amount of exem -or adex will help once you feel it in the nipples. I'm on 10mg trest ace/d and stopped taking it, even with 1mg letro/d AND a Serm, my left nipple started hurting. It got not away, so I dropped trest completely.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Cool cycle!



If you get the slightest sensitivity in your nipples, drop trest immediately. 75mg could be a titty-maker. From my experience, no amount of exem -or adex will help once you feel it in the nipples. I'm on 10mg trest ace/d and stopped taking it, even with 1mg letro/d AND a Serm, my left nipple started hurting. It got not away, so I dropped trest completely.
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exactly why I aint messin with no trest.....
 
hairygrandpa said:
Cool cycle!



If you get the slightest sensitivity in your nipples, drop trest immediately. 75mg could be a titty-maker. From my experience, no amount of exem -or adex will help once you feel it in the nipples. I'm on 10mg trest ace/d and stopped taking it, even with 1mg letro/d AND a Serm, my left nipple started hurting. It got not away, so I dropped trest completely.
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Thanks for the warning. I have been running this PWO for the last couple of months. No problems here. Oral trest is a completely different animal to trest ace or trest enanth. :)
 
Sparkss said:
Thanks for the warning. I have been running this PWO for the last couple of months. No problems here. Oral trest is a completely different animal to trest ace or trest enanth. :)
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I got tits from TD-trest + oral trest before. It really depends from person to person. I envy you that you tolerate it. Trest is awesome. :)
 
Studhorse said:
A guy at the gym was running 4 weeks cycle of DMZ with Derma trest and said he was getting nose bleeds at week 3, He told me he never gets nose bleeds. It was pretty cold here at that time plus it might have been his blood pressure? just a little gym rat feedback!
I have no idea what his dosage was.
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I would most definitely be checking BP. That could cause it and DMZ can raise BP.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I got tits from TD-trest + oral trest before. It really depends from person to person. I envy you that you tolerate it. Trest is awesome. :)
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It is an awesome PWO. I get such a rush and pump from it. And I don't take all 75mg at once, I should have mentioned that. I take 25mg w/ my PWO shake then 25 just before I start lifting. If I run long I take the last 25mg when I hit the half-way mark of my planned exercises. Lately I have been using 75mg per workout, but occasionally I end up only needing 50.
 
Sparkss said:
I have a vial of trest ace that has been mocking me for a while now because I am too chicken sh*t to try it LOL :D
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I've heard too many negatives, the positives are pretty great also...it just isn't worth it for me at this point in my life!!!
 
I'm in!
 
I don't know what to expect from the Test C + Dien E, but I do expect the DMZ kick starter to kick the gains into high gear. Then my expectation (hope?) is to lean out during the weeks following the cessation of DMZ. But I don't know how long I will make it with the DMZ, I had to stop an Msten run early a while back due to sides. but most consider DMZ to be milder than Msten for side.

I have heard Dienolone Enth referred to as "diet tren" (Zero Flux has a write up on it), with correspondingly less sides. I am hoping it works as well for me as I have seen from others reports. Lastly I am still a little on the fence about the Test dosage. 300 mg/wk is the generally accepted dose for cutting/leaning out, and 500 mg/wk for bulking. I guess I just couldn't resist going for a bit more mass with the higher test dose. :)

I did up my food intake a bit today. I can already feel it in my midsection (maybe that is just guilt that I feel for allowing myself to eat that much :)). I also noticed that my triceps were cramping this afternoon (I worked chest and shoulders today). I did hit it pretty hard, but to be honest I have never had cramps in such a relatively small muscle before. I do take taurine capsules and have bulk powder arriving tomorrow and I have electrolytes here if I feel like I need them (which I really don't yet). I use the Nuun tablets, which I like because they allow me to adjust the amount of electrolytes per drink.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Injectable. I did it Sub-Q as my batch came at 75mg/ml and I used only 20mg/d (0.26ml/d). Such a low volume worked fine sub-q.
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One thing I've never tried is inj trest.... I will eventually have to try it, maybe a short 6 week cycle. Gotta be prepared to do battle w that there estrogen
 
Godstrength said:
One thing I've never tried is inj trest.... I will eventually have to try it, maybe a short 6 week cycle. Gotta be prepared to do battle w that there estrogen
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What can I say. I love/hate it. Estro sides are ridiculous for me. Others take 2.5mg letro/d AND a SERM when on something like 50mg trest ace eod.
Now that I'm off of trest, I wonder how to get estro in a normal range again. In other forums I read that methyl-estro does not show on lab tests, making labs no option to figure it out.
 
Sweet. I'll get in on this!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Injectable. I did it Sub-Q as my batch came at 75mg/ml and I used only 20mg/d (0.26ml/d). Such a low volume worked fine sub-q.
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I have not seen a higher concentration of trest ace, except maybe once I saw it as 100mg/ml, but 75mg/ml is the most common (and also what I have here for whenever I get the courage up to run it :)).
 
Godstrength said:
One thing I've never tried is inj trest.... I will eventually have to try it, maybe a short 6 week cycle. Gotta be prepared to do battle w that there estrogen
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from everything I have read it is night and day different from the oral or TD. In terms of difficulty to control estrogen, oral is the easiest, TD is harder and oil is much harder. Although I have seen some run the ace oil w/o any e2 support supps w/o issue. I just know that I would not be one of those people :). I also have seen some have high e2 sides from the TD, even using e2 support supps, so everyone is different.
 
Sparkss said:
Thanks for the warning. I have been running this PWO for the last couple of months. No problems here. Oral trest is a completely different animal to trest ace or trest enanth. :)
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hairygrandpa said:
I got tits from TD-trest + oral trest before. It really depends from person to person. I envy you that you tolerate it. Trest is awesome. :)
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I was thinking about this all last night. I am going to be very watchful during this cycle. While I have used oral trest PWO every workout for months now, I have not used it while running higher test or the dien, which also can generate progesterone activity. I do have exem and ralox on hand just in case, and at least the oral trest only has a 1 to 3 hour half life, so it is cleared pretty quickly, but still something I need to be aware of and watch out for.
 
Sparkss said:
I have heard Dienolone Enth referred to as "diet tren" (Zero Flux has a write up on it), with correspondingly less sides. I am hoping it works as well for me as I have seen from others reports.
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I found a write up on the dienolone here on AM, for anyone that is interested: Invalid Link Removed
 
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