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Aleksandar37 said:
You can be opposed to it all you want. There are other ways to be opposed to it then supporting somebody else who is screwing you over. And again, the country has always been divided. You honestly think it was a big happy family until 8 years ago?
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my family was happier before Obama....
 
thebigt said:
my family was happier before Obama....
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This isnt excactly relevant to the country being more or less divided. All it is saying is that from our self centered perspective, your side of the division is being better represented.

As far as division goes, Obama made the country more divisive I 100% agree with that, but I also remember all the division that grew out of the Bush years before that. Obama just was Bush's 3rd and 4th term and added to the status quo. The difference I see with Dump though is the mainstream media along along with social media promoting the division of this country at new heights, but that doesnt take away that Dump is (whether or not "the swamp") still a divisive big government Republican. Just 4-8 years and then its the Demicans saving the country again only to continue to rip it apart just as Republicrats always do and want and everybody from both sides is continually getting it up the arse.

Solution = abandon both sides, they are both barely any different.
 
A Pentecostal church in Central New York state

Im not into Church, but this is awesome!

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ax1 said:
This isnt excactly relevant to the country being more or less divided. All it is saying is that from our self centered perspective, your side of the division is being better represented.

As far as division goes, Obama made the country more divisive I 100% agree with that, but I also remember all the division that grew out of the Bush years before that. Obama just was Bush's 3rd and 4th term and added to the status quo. The difference I see with Dump though is the mainstream media along along with social media promoting the division of this country at new heights, but that doesnt take away that Dump is (whether or not "the swamp") still a divisive big government Republican. Just 4-8 years and then its the Demicans saving the country again only to continue to rip it apart just as Republicrats always do and want and everybody from both sides is continually getting it up the arse.

Solution = abandon both sides, they are both barely any different.
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yes, I can only speak from personal experience/perspective, but this last year with trump as president has been very good for me....I feel more comfortable with a conservative agenda, I love my country.

HAPPY VETERANS DAY
 
ax1 said:
A Pentecostal church in Central New York state

Im not into Church, but this is awesome!

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Wow, that's a tough choice for Republicans. Part of them salutes the Second Amendment stance, but part of them also wants to deport it lol
 
thebigt said:
SR. PASTOR
RONALD RUSSELL
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I just looked up the Church, this Church is inside a light house. This place looks awesome and unlike the usual Church. I never knew NY had a Mexico in it.

I found their website and they have a quote scrolling on the front page that states,

We are NOT a "Gun free zone"- we protect our people! ~The Pastor

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thebigt said:
SR. PASTOR
RONALD RUSSELL
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Found this on our NY Spectrum News network,
“Times are changing,” said Russell. "It’s not the congregation, per se, but the leadership. People say 'well, pastor, you’re talking about killing some,' and I say 'well, if I don’t protect my people, I’m being complicit.' A shooting here, that’s not going to happen."

The church also offers training. Programs are designed to teach self defense and help identify any suspicious behavior.

They are on scene here on this link with news coverage on video
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ax1 said:
I just looked up the Church, this Church is inside a light house. This place looks awesome and unlike the usual Church. I never knew NY had a Mexico in it.

I found their website and they have a quote scrolling on the front page that states,

We are NOT a "Gun free zone"- we protect our people! ~The Pastor

Look!
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lol...it's located in MEXICO, NY....that is rich, lol!!!!:bandit:
 
ax1 said:
Found this on our NY Spectrum News network,
“Times are changing,” said Russell. "It’s not the congregation, per se, but the leadership. People say 'well, pastor, you’re talking about killing some,' and I say 'well, if I don’t protect my people, I’m being complicit.' A shooting here, that’s not going to happen."

The church also offers training. Programs are designed to teach self defense and help identify any suspicious behavior.

They are on scene here on this link with news coverage on video
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walk softly and carry a big gun....the times they are a changing....
 
thebigt said:
lol...it's located in MEXICO, NY....that is rich, lol!!!!:bandit:
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For some reason Im so fascinated with this I was thinking of planning a trip tomorrow with my wife to get some selfi's in front on the Church, but damn this place is still a 5 hour drive from me = forgedaboutit. Its all the way up by the great lakes. They have Mexico bay there and half way across the lake shares with Canada!
 
Very much agree with this and love your intellect. I am however curious on a few things and always willing to learn something new by actually listeningto someone who may have the same or different views, unlike a certain group of people I won't mention.

ax1 said:
This isnt excactly relevant to the country being more or less divided. All it is saying is that from our self centered perspective, your side of the division is being better represented.

As far as division goes, Obama made the country more divisive I 100% agree with that, but I also remember all the division that grew out of the Bush years before that.-
Bush Sr or Jr? Bc I remember going to elementary school with kids of all races and creed and nobody cared, everyone got along and everyone worked hard. Now some seem so self entitled. I may be a massive failure but that at least means I had to of tried many times over to have failed. Seems being a looser bum is a trend these days. And they seem to be the angrier ones out there....?

Obama just was Bush's 3rd and 4th term and added to the status quo.- really? You don't feel like he was a but of Hillary puppet or at least all working in kahoots with one another, and not in a good way? (I do feel GW was one of the worst presidents ever though his father was amazing)

The difference I see with Dump though is the mainstream media along along with social media promoting the division of this country at new heights,- YES, YES THEY DO! WHY DO THE PEOPLE BUY INTO IT? THINK FOR YOURSELVES- but that doesnt take away that Dump is (whether or not "the swamp") still a divisive big government Republican- of course, he's a venture capitalist in a capitalist country, although I do feel he is doing good setting some things straight that were put in place over last 8 years which is one plus for the goofy bastard).

Just 4-8 years and then its the Demicans saving the country again only to continue to rip it apart just as Republicrats always do and want and everybody from both sides is continually getting it up the arse.- then maybe the libertarian party could be a great answer for ***THE CORRECT CANDIDATE*** to run and win and put things back together like an old school Democrat, like lbj and before. We need someone truly focused on the Power of America as a world player and not as a back alley dealer. As always, an opinion.

Solution = abandon both sides, they are both barely any different.- very true yet I also want to disagree like hell. Seems like today if you openly admit you're a Democrat then you're a left wing nut job and "guns are bad, mmkay" and everything is "our" fault as humans yet there's no real answers on what to do, and if you openly admit you're a Republican then you're a redneck racist who hates baby killers and just care about gun laws and taxes. Neither seems to present a very strong moral code or anything that I'd like to stand behind. You're rebuttal sir? Also, I think that's a big part of the libertarian movement- is getting away from having to choose a side and instead choose the issues behind a person. As well as getting back more of our basic human rights and freedoms so long as you're not hurting anyone else...? Here to discuss and Learn. Feed me.
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Happy Veterans Day! To all those that served I cant thank you enough!!

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chemjr said:
Very much agree with this and love your intellect. I am however curious on a few things and always willing to learn something new by actually listeningto someone who may have the same or different views, unlike a certain group of people I won't mention.
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First off Im not any more intelligent than anyone here or any group. I just see and understand things differently than some others.

To answer your questions:
1. I was referring to Bush Jr., he is the one that made me pay attention to politics, especially as he ramped up and started the wars and at that time I really thought Bin Laden was primarily the one responsible for 9/11. I had found the response to 9/11 w/ the Patriot act and attacking Iraq disturbing and I think that was a big dividing part of his regime.

That being said, its hard to say how much exactly more divided we were, or during the days of Sr.. The problem is the illusion of division which I see it clearly both overstated but the effect seems to influence its growth. If the media keeps feeding hate peoples tribal nature starts kicking in along with other factors to keep this short.

2. Obama was CIA from a CIA family. I dont think he was Hitlerie's puppet, especially when I feel Hitlery herself is truly a puppet in her own shoes.
They all work for shadow government, and I dont have a specific answer to that but influences range in special groups such as the Bilderberg group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commision, etc....then add in Banks and the biggest of corporations. I felt like Obama was far worse of a president, primarily his ability to deceive people into this hope and change movement (he tricked me into voting for him in '08) and he is fairly masterful in manipulating people. Im no fan of Bush Sr. never was and more so is true to the day. Long story for another day, but I consider him a humanitarian and war criminal which not only dates to his Presidency, but his days of CIA and other various things.

3. "Why do people buy into it." Study one word as much as possible, Goebbels. You will understand my answer.

4. "correct canditate." First, Im sorry, I am in no way a fan of LBJ. He killed Kennedy and he also lied us into a brutal war and he is responsible for the deaths of millions of people. He was a racist lunatic who used minorities only for his advantage.

Ok, got that out of the way, lol.

Libertarian party? What part, the Koch Brothers or Ron Paul? I dunno what the Libertarian Party is, they all get infiltrated by corruption and money. Yes I would consider voting for them at least, never a Demican or Republicrat and I did vote for Gayry. I would love Rand to run.

Personally I would abolish all parties from running in politics, they all get big and corrupt and end up serving different masters. If there was a correct candidate for the Libertarian party I will say again, Rand Paul. Ideally I would love Ron Paul above all, but he is too old for the job now imo.

I really wish Dump was the America First candidate he campaign for but as time goes by its being proven not to be true.
 
ax1 said:
First off Im not any more intelligent than anyone here or any group. I just see and understand things differently than some others.
- never said you were more intelligent. As for intellect, that's is TBD. And I just enjoy the views of others as I'm always trying to broaden my horizons.
And you certainly do, and that's a good thing. (See things differently.)

To answer your questions:
1. I was referring to Bush Jr., he is the one that made me pay attention to politics, especially as he ramped up and started the wars and at that time I really thought Bin Laden was primarily the one responsible for 9/11. I had found the response to 9/11 w/ the Patriot act and attacking Iraq disturbing and I think that was a big dividing part of his regime.
-I almost joined up after 9/11 but couldn't due to some extenuating circumstances and had to be put off for a couple years and damn am I thankful for that! For reasons you listed above and more. In a couple words- deception & oil.

That being said, its hard to say how much exactly more divided we were, or during the days of Sr.. The problem is the illusion of division which I see it clearly both overstated but the effect seems to influence its growth.*** EXACTLY! Though it shouldn't in the days of limitless information at your fingertips. That's where all that brainwashing comes into play.
If the media keeps feeding hate peoples tribal nature starts kicking in along with other factors to keep this short.- agreed, and also feel it's the plan of the higher ups. A nation divided is a weaker one that can't fight back as easy.

2. Obama was CIA from a CIA family. I dont think he was Hitlerie's puppet, especially when I feel Hitlery herself is truly a puppet in her own shoes.
They all work for shadow government, and I dont have a specific answer to that but influences range in special groups such as the Bilderberg group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commision, etc....then add in Banks and the biggest of corporations. I felt like Obama was far worse of a president, primarily his ability to deceive people into this hope and change movement (he tricked me into voting for him in '08) and he is fairly masterful in manipulating people. Im no fan of Bush Sr. never was and more so is true to the day. Long story for another day, but I consider him a humanitarian and war criminal which not only dates to his Presidency, but his days of CIA and other various things.
-I think they've all been playing duel roles for quite some time as someone who will keep the masses calm enough yet fulfill the requests of their overlords/funding etc. As is evident back as far as lbj and jfk and before.

3. "Why do people buy into it." Study one word as much as possible, Goebbels. You will understand my answer.
- understand but not sure if we're on the same wavelength or not.

4. "correct canditate." First, Im sorry, I am in no way a fan of LBJ. He killed Kennedy and he also lied us into a brutal war and he is responsible for the deaths of millions of people. He was a racist lunatic who used minorities only for his advantage.- a racist lunatic that also helped "people of color". And yes, he definitely did lie, but at the time what choices was he left with? (assuming you're talking about the war?) Either way, they are ALL flawed. And wasn't really saying I liked him, just that for the very insane problems of his day I feel he faced them as well as any one human could, in most cases. The war was just fubar. SN:AFU. Take your pick.
I'd love to get a message about his involvement in aspiration of jfk as I already have a fair bit of info on how it was carried out but not where it came from so would be very interested.

Ok, got that out of the way, lol.

Libertarian party? What part, the Koch Brothers or Ron Paul? I dunno what the Libertarian Party is, they all get infiltrated by corruption and money. Yes I would consider voting for them at least, never a Demican or Republicrat and I did vote for Gayry. I would love Rand to run. - again, vote for the person no matter what party. I don't care if they claim to be part of the moose party. If they stand behind certain issues and I feel that they might actually tackle a few* of them, OK then.

Personally I would abolish all parties from running in politics, they all get big and corrupt and end up serving different masters. -*agreed!* If there was a correct candidate for the Libertarian party I will say again, Rand Paul. Ideally I would love Ron Paul above all, but he is too old for the job now imo.

I really wish Dump was the America First candidate he campaign for but as time goes by its being proven not to be true.
- yes and no. I feel he's doing some good but has been making some very questionable decisions as of late and some of them only time will tell. Others are just plain ****ty. All in all for who he is I'm honestly surprised at how Well he's done and that we're not in hotter water with his obvious inability to act like a president and stop tweeting, better foreign relations and so on. And yes, only seems to be a part of the candidate he ran as, but as a quasi successful businessman he does know how to "advertise" and compete is what it shows in the end. Either way, best of luck to all of us and...
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Happy veterans day to all! I hope all of you say thank you to at least one vet and see if you can't buy em a burger or something to show a very small debt of gratitude for their service, whether in war time or not. May the powers that be bless America.
 
chemjr said:
I'd love to get a message about his involvement in aspiration of jfk as I already have a fair bit of info on how it was carried out but not where it came from so would be very interested.

I really dont know for sure what happened, I think he was just playing along to get along

And yes, he definitely did lie, but at the time what choices was he left with? (assuming you're talking about the war?)

He signed off on the false flag gulf of tonkin incident. Now what choice did he have? He could have chose to opt out and get killed even, or he could have opted for genocide. He chose genocide. If I was in his shoes I prefer personal death.

I would love Rand to run. - again, vote for the person no matter what party. I don't care if they claim to be part of the moose party. If they stand behind certain issues and I feel that they might actually tackle a few* of them, OK then.
Its a fair point, and actually I was considering Rand as a "R" when he was running last year. So I guess recently have and still would consider. Its possible he infiltrated the Republican party just to try to rip it apart from the inside out, I dunno. I do know I like or can compromise on many (not all of course) of his political views.

- yes and no. I feel he's doing some good but has been making some very questionable decisions as of late and some of them only time will tell. Others are just plain ****ty. All in all for who he is I'm honestly surprised at how Well he's done and that we're not in hotter water with his obvious inability to act like a president and stop tweeting, better foreign relations and so on. And yes, only seems to be a part of the candidate he ran as, but as a quasi successful businessman he does know how to "advertise" and compete is what it shows in the end. Either way, best of luck to all of us and...
At I feel more optimistic that he is in there than Hitlery. At least there is that small chance Dump really is and outsider, I dunno. Time will tell. The shyt I complain about him doesnt even compare to the garbage the media spills making a big deal out of twitter, calling him a racist, no way he is not a racist or rapist, etc.....Russian bullcrap, Putin is better than Hitlery anyways, lol

Dumps biggest mistakes were to put the swamp in when he is draining the swamp. HOWEVER I just thought, maybe he placed the swamp around him so he can expose the swamp. He does have 4 years so lets see. The big thing Im looking for in domestic policy (Ive given up on his foreign policy, campaign dump>prez dump) is if he would support a Audit the Fed bill that would be major.
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thebigt said:
jswain34 said:
There's a Mexico Indiana too!
lol...gonna ask the wife if she wants to go to mexico next weekend!!!:439:
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Haha i pull that one on the girlfriend all the time, she usually knows what I mean now. If im not mistaken, Denver and Peru are two of it's nearby towns lol.

Edit: i googled it and it gets even better, Chili is nearby too!

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So when Trump fianlly lets his boyfriend take over the our country, do you think we'll all have to learn Russian or will we keep keep that as is?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
So when Trump fianlly lets his boyfriend take over the our country, do you think we'll all have to learn Russian or will we keep keep that as is?
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Honest question: would you prefer that the US and Russia (and/or China for that matter) were openly hostile towards each other? Would another Cold War, or even an actual war, be preferable to the current situation?
 
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Holy hell. Credit for actually training so he hopefully never looks as bad as his dad, but holy hell lol
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According to his father's philosophy, humans are like batteries and working out shortens the life span. He thinks his son will die sooner than later doing stuff like that.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Honest question: would you prefer that the US and Russia (and/or China for that matter) were openly hostile towards each other? Would another Cold War, or even an actual war, be preferable to the current situation?
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If you're only giving me the choice between honest hostility and the possibility that our President has another country's interest in mind over our own, then I have to choose the hostility/war option. I don't believe it has to only be those two though, but am answering your question.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
If you're only giving me the choice between honest hostility and the possibility that our President has another country's interest in mind over our own, then I have to choose the hostility/war option. I don't believe it has to only be those two though, but am answering your question.
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What reason do you have to believe that Trump has Russia’s best interest in mind over that of the US? I️ could perhaps see an argument for a leader, Trump in this case, serving their personal best interest first and foremost, but why Russia’s? Does Trump have something to gain by favoring Russia over the US? If so, what? If not, why then would he do it? Also, surely you know that Trump can’t “hand over the US to Russia.” There’s a thing called the Constitution that prevents that sort of thing. I️ would honestly like to know your logic here. It seems like people think it’s inherently bad if we get along with Russia. I️ just don’t see how that is the case. US and Russia surely can coexist.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
What reason do you have to believe that Trump has Russia’s best interest in mind over that of the US? I️ could perhaps see an argument for a leader, Trump in this case, serving their personal best interest first and foremost, but why Russia’s? Does Trump have something to gain by favoring Russia over the US? If so, what? If not, why then would he do it? Also, surely you know that Trump can’t “hand over the US to Russia.” There’s a thing called the Constitution that prevents that sort of thing. I️ would honestly like to know your logic here. It seems like people think it’s inherently bad if we get along with Russia. I️ just don’t see how that is the case. US and Russia surely can coexist.
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Yeah,so first google sarcasm as I don't believe we are actually going to hand over the US to Russia. I'm referring to the fact that our intelligence agencies have shown that Russia did interfere with this last election, but Trump (who has since backed up on his comments) continued to insist that Putin denies it and that he believes him. Remember when our intelligence told FDR that Germany was up to some bad **** and FDR was like "no, it's cool guys. I spoke with Hitler and he said everything is fine"? Again, that was sarcasm as it didn't happen and should never happen.

Regardless of who you voted for or support, people should be outraged that another country interferred. But people are selective in their outrage on both sides. There are people in this very thread that are upset that Hillary may have made a deal with Russia to get money, but have no problem with the possibility that Trump made a deal to get a presidency. People should be upset about both!

I'm not going to guess at Trump's exact motivation. I will continue to criticize that he is ignoring evidence over the word of Putin and wishes to remove sanctions based solely on that despite the actual evidence.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Regardless of who you voted for or support, people should be outraged that another country interferred.
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Im not shocked at all, this always has been and always will happen.

For starters it would be nice of the US actually led by example for a change. People are outraged at the thought some other country would try to infiltrate our elections but see it as business as usual when we do the very same and top it off with genocide globally.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Yeah,so first google sarcasm as I don't believe we are actually going to hand over the US to Russia. I'm referring to the fact that our intelligence agencies have shown that Russia did interfere with this last election, but Trump (who has since backed up on his comments) continued to insist that Putin denies it and that he believes him. Remember when our intelligence told FDR that Germany was up to some bad **** and FDR was like "no, it's cool guys. I spoke with Hitler and he said everything is fine"? Again, that was sarcasm as it didn't happen and should never happen.

Regardless of who you voted for or support, people should be outraged that another country interferred. But people are selective in their outrage on both sides. There are people in this very thread that are upset that Hillary may have made a deal with Russia to get money, but have no problem with the possibility that Trump made a deal to get a presidency. People should be upset about both!

I'm not going to guess at Trump's exact motivation. I will continue to criticize that he is ignoring evidence over the word of Putin and wishes to remove sanctions based solely on that despite the actual evidence.
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Some people believe some crazy theories that sound like sarcasm, so it’s hard to tell when someone is being serious or not on the internet. I️ admittedly haven’t done enough research to conclude if the “Russian interference” is entirely legit, exaggerated, or false. A cursory reading of some things that the US government and/or intelligence agencies have done or considered doing leads me to be at least a little skeptical of anything that we are told. Either way, at least I️ now know that you don’t actually think Trump plans on giving the US to Putin/Russia in a literal sense. Also, I️ didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary, and I’m not a conservative. I️ see both parties as two sides of the same coin that, at the end of the day, behave largely in the same way, just with different justifications for these actions to the public. The “duality” also allows people to keep “switching” from one party to the other when they’re unhappy with the behavior of one party, but in reality, it just keeps getting changed back and forth, if it truly changes at all between the two parties.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
There are people in this very thread that are upset that Hillary may have made a deal with Russia to get money, but have no problem with the possibility that Trump made a deal to get a presidency. People should be upset about both!
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What deal is it that your talking about and what impact do you believe it truly had?
 
ax1 said:
What deal is it that your talking about and what impact do you believe it truly had?
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I don't claim to know and that is why I want to see an investigation that follows the evidence and doesn't get pressure to stop looking. Especially when that pressure is coming from the country who is part of the investigation.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Some people believe some crazy theories that sound like sarcasm, so it’s hard to tell when someone is being serious or not on the internet. I️ admittedly haven’t done enough research to conclude if the “Russian interference” is entirely legit, exaggerated, or false. A cursory reading of some things that the US government and/or intelligence agencies have done or considered doing leads me to be at least a little skeptical of anything that we are told. Either way, at least I️ now know that you don’t actually think Trump plans on giving the US to Putin/Russia in a literal sense. Also, I️ didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary, and I’m not a conservative. I️ see both parties as two sides of the same coin that, at the end of the day, behave largely in the same way, just with different justifications for these actions to the public. The “duality” also allows people to keep “switching” from one party to the other when they’re unhappy with the behavior of one party, but in reality, it just keeps getting changed back and forth, if it truly changes at all between the two parties.
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We're in complete agreement on the "two" party system here. And I'm not saying that US intelligence hasn't done horrible things int he past or don't have their own agenda now which is why I don't care about hearsay. I want to see evidence and let that stand on its own.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I don't claim to know and that is why I want to see an investigation that follows the evidence and doesn't get pressure to stop looking. Especially when that pressure is coming from the country who is part of the investigation.
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I wouldnt be against people wanting an investigation but I dont think it would do anything for me personally. If they find they made a deal to get dirt on Hitlery, Ill be the first to say can we help out to get some more? lol

I dont give our intelligence services credibility too. I dont trust them and never will. Also, I know its easy to set up intel/evidence to make it appear as if deal making was going on so I wouldnt believe anything regardless and I have no doubts "elements" in our intelligence agencies have every intention to make it happen if they want. I would certainly pay attention and judge for myself.

My concerns are policy, which foreign policy is mostly the same and horrible, and still waiting too see how domestic policy rolls out in the long run to judge it as a whole.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
We're in complete agreement on the "two" party system here. And I'm not saying that US intelligence hasn't done horrible things int he past or don't have their own agenda now which is why I don't care about hearsay. I want to see evidence and let that stand on its own.
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I️ agree. I’d also like to see objective evidence and then make a decision based on that it it is sufficient. That said, I️ am unsure if this information will ever be released/unclassified to the citizens, or if it will make it to the public in its true form (not altered, distorted, etc). Trying to get news from the mainstream media is just hearing two extremes, and usually neither one is truly correct, but boy do we love picking sides.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I️ agree. I’d also like to see objective evidence and then make a decision based on that it it is sufficient. That said, I️ am unsure if this information will ever be released/unclassified to the citizens, or if it will make it to the public in its true form (not altered, distorted, etc). Trying to get news from the mainstream media is just hearing two extremes, and usually neither one is truly correct, but boy do we love picking sides.
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How do you feel about Mark Cuban running as a Republican in 2020 if he ran?
 
ax1 said:
How do you feel about Mark Cuban running as a Republican in 2020 if he ran?
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I️ would have preferred him to Trump. I️ don’t know if he’ll do well though; it seems possible that if Trump doesn’t do well or doesn’t have a decent approval rating at the end of his term that people won’t want another “billionaire political outsider” as President. Personally, I’d consider voting for him. I️ recall him saying that he’s libertarian-leaning, but wants a bit more “social safety nets” than most libertarians typically do. I️ can live with that, and it sounds like a lot of people probably could get behind it if they actually thought about it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I️ would have preferred him to Trump. I️ don’t know if he’ll do well though; it seems possible that if Trump doesn’t do well or doesn’t have a decent approval rating at the end of his term that people won’t want another “billionaire political outsider” as President. Personally, I’d consider voting for him. I️ recall him saying that he’s libertarian-leaning, but wants a bit more “social safety nets” than most libertarians typically do. I️ can live with that, and it sounds like a lot of people probably could get behind it if they actually thought about it.
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Id be more interested if he ran as an "I" (more so than a "L" even) but that wouldnt completely disqualify me from giving him a serious look. Libertarian/social nets, thats fine I can compromise that. I want to see him openly go all out with his foreign policy views which is what Id be also closely looking at.
 
ax1 said:
How do you feel about Mark Cuban running as a Republican in 2020 if he ran?
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He's a dick, but he's done a lot of good here in Dallas and he's intelligent. I just worry about these guys with no political experience at all. They end up relying too much on others who have their own agendas and who we didn't vote for.
 
ax1 said:
Id be more interested if he ran as an "I" (more so than a "L" even) but that wouldnt completely disqualify me from giving him a serious look. Libertarian/social nets, thats fine I can compromise that. I want to see him openly go all out with his foreign policy views which is what Id be also closely looking at.
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Do you think he would really have a chance not running as Republican or Democrat? I just don't know that any other party has a viable chance yet.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Do you think he would really have a chance not running as Republican or Democrat? I just don't know that any other party has a viable chance yet.
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I️ don’t think they do either. The electoral college, particularly the states that do a “winner takes all” vote really screws a third party. A hypothetical third party can have 1 less vote than the winning party in every state (both red and blue states), and win the popular vote by a very, very wide margin, but get destroyed in the EC because they didn’t win any states.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Do you think he would really have a chance not running as Republican or Democrat? I just don't know that any other party has a viable chance yet.
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I think there never has been a better time, but more than likely no win. I’m looking long run build the way Libertarians have been gaining , which obviously someone like Mark wouldn’t be getting in just to prop up someone in the future.

If we abolished corporate/banker funding of elections and debates then I would say it’s an open game, but realistically that won’t happen.

Let’s just say I’d rather be on the losing team every time than the wrong team but I’d listen to Mark and see what he has to say. If I can compromise with him and he is an R that wouldn’t necessarily stop me.
 
I HAD A DREAM....and in this dream I saw thanksgiving coming under attack by the liberal lefties.


al franken, lol...
 
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