Why do people use Prohormones instead of real steroids or Testosterone injections?

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I think we are ;) True, but with that said a serm will land you in less trouble than say, 3 x vials of Test. The point I am making is people claim they don't want to break the law at all, no matter the severity. I feel that it makes no sense. .
There is a hierarchy of moral intelligence that explains that though

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I have often wondered how it is that every man loves himself more than all the rest of men, but yet sets less value on his own opinions of himself than on the opinions of others.
You wonder why one who has an extremely biased and non-objective opinion on a topic would value other peoples' opinions on that particular topic? Seems pretty obvious.
 
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There is a hierarchy of moral intelligence that explains that though

Edit:just saw the post date...
Don't really agree. If one were to follow this "moral way of thinking" then stealing a BMW is okay, because it's not a Porsche? SERM = illegal without script, Testosterone = Illegal without script.

Theft = Theft and Illegal = Illegal.
 
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Don't really agree. If one were to follow this "moral way of thinking" then stealing a BMW is okay, because it's not a Porsche? SERM = illegal without script, Testosterone = Illegal without script.

Theft = Theft and Illegal = Illegal.
I didn't provide an example of a way of moral thinking. Kohlbergs hierarchy of moral intelligence analyzes the logic behind our morals. Illegal=illegal is not at the pinnacle.

For example, it is illegal to steal a porche or bmw, but if you do so as the only means of getting someone dying to the hospital, is that immoral?
 
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I didn't provide an example of a way of moral thinking. Kohlbergs hierarchy of moral intelligence analyzes the logic behind our morals. Illegal=illegal is not at the pinnacle.

For example, it is illegal to steal a porche or bmw, but if you do so as the only means of getting someone dying to the hospital, is that immoral?
So what you are saying is, if I get PCT illegally to recover from legal drugs then it is morally right? In that case, still no. You see, if I buy a legal hormone with the full knowledge that I will need a SERM post cycle, then I would know that I had to break the law to recover.

It's not justifiable. You would know the full extent of buying those hormones is buying illegal SERMs

I keep using illegal as the pinnacle, because that is the factor in question.
 

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So what you are saying is, if I get PCT illegally to recover from legal drugs then it is morally right? In that case, still no. You see, if I buy a legal hormone with the full knowledge that I will need a SERM post cycle, then I would know that I had to break the law to recover.

It's not justifiable. You would know the full extent of buying those hormones is buying illegal SERMs

I keep using illegal as the pinnacle, because that is the factor in question.
What I am saying is that laws and morals are not necessarily related.
 
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Laws are only laws because people make them so. The laws of man and the laws of society are stark contrast to one another.
 
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What I am saying is that laws and morals are not necessarily related.
It doesn't matter. Law is law. If you want to argue in that sense then everything falls flat. Let's say a man is murdered and you know who did it, but due to lack of evidence or what have you he is never convicted and goes free. Now one night you decide to murder him and you do. Now you have no moral problem with this, yes? I mean why would you? That IS justice. However, you will be charged AND convicted of murder.

The question is not if buying illegal substances is moral or not, but whether it is illegal or not. That is the topic.

If we want to bring morals into it, personally I find nothing wrong with using AAS of PCT, but it is illegal despite what I find moral or not.
 

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It doesn't matter. Law is law. If you want to argue in that sense then everything falls flat. Let's say a man is murdered and you know who did it, but due to lack of evidence or what have you he is never convicted and goes free. Now one night you decide to murder him and you do. Now you have no moral problem with this, yes? I mean why would you? That IS justice. However, you will be charged AND convicted of murder.

The question is not if buying illegal substances is moral or not, but whether it is illegal or not. That is the topic.

If we want to bring morals into it, personally I find nothing wrong with using AAS of PCT, but it is illegal despite what I find moral or not.
The question is whether buying illegal substances is illegal? Well then the answer is yes. I agree.
 
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The question is whether buying illegal substances is illegal? Well then the answer is yes. I agree.
So this was a misunderstanding between us? :D

Welcome to the forums, stick around. We need more people who can debate properly!
 

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So this was a misunderstanding between us? :D

Welcome to the forums, stick around. We need more people who can debate properly!
It does grieve me to think there are people misunderstanding my heart on an issue.
 
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456 posts and 0 rep...that is a whole lot of misunderstanding.
Honestly, I am just surprised that he hasn't been banned yet.
 

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Honestly, I am just surprised that he hasn't been banned yet.
why should i be banned? i just speak the truth
 

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456 posts and 0 rep...that is a whole lot of misunderstanding.
You cannot eat a cluster of grapes at once, but it is very easy if you eat them one by one.
 
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You cannot eat a bag of dicks at once, but it is very easy if you eat them one by one.
I'll take your word for it
 
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I like to check in every once in awhile, just to see how you guys are getting along with heyboy.
 
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A small pepperoni pizza on a tortilla is healthier than salmon teriyaki with rice and carrots.
On what basis? Micro-nutrients? Calories? Sugar intake?

I could argue the saturated fat intake and particularly the cheese is not doing any favors.

This thread is still kickin'
 

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On what basis? Micro-nutrients? Calories? Sugar intake?

I could argue the saturated fat intake and particularly the cheese is not doing any favors.

This thread is still kickin'
The Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor led to many very good things. If you follow the trail, it led to kicking Europeans out of Asia - that saved tens of millions of lives in India alone.
 

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Accessibility.
I always say that the problem with steroid accessibility is not the content of the drugs, it's people's ability to access it
 
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I always say that the problem with steroid accessibility is not the content of the drugs, it's people's ability to access it
Almost sounded like you were going to say something that had some substance. Then I reread it, and it makes no god damn sense.
 
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Almost sounded like you were going to say something that had some substance. Then I reread it, and it makes no god damn sense.
LOL, the real problem with steroids being accessible is the government trying to shutdown what that pesky capitalism calls a legit, grassroots demand for a product and thinking that banning it will somehow rid people of their desire for it or somehow deter people from using it when in fact, it actually just stirs arousal and curiosity of the drug in a number of ways. People get interested in steroids when they see so few people taking them but see all their physical glory and that these folks aren't dropping dead and aren't raging out on others in "roid rage".

In fact, it's when someone that admires you finds out later that you have been juicing...they've pretty much taken it hook, line and sinker and will eventually go to " the dark side" although I would beg to differ with that notion. As it turns out, juicers generally know more than their natty peers about metabolism, diet health, general health and pharmacological data. We should call it "the enlightened side". Just sayin...
 
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LOL, the real problem with steroids being accessible is the government trying to shutdown what that pesky capitalism calls a legit, grassroots demand for a product and thinking that banning it will somehow rid people of their desire for it or somehow deter people from using it when in fact, it actually just stirs arousal and curiosity of the drug in a number of ways. People get interested in steroids when they see so few people taking them but see all their physical glory and that these folks aren't dropping dead and aren't raging out on others in "roid rage".

In fact, it's when someone that admires you finds out later that you have been juicing...they've pretty much taken it hook, line and sinker and will eventually go to " the dark side" although I would beg to differ with that notion. As it turns out, juicers generally know more than their natty peers about metabolism, diet health, general health and pharmacological data. We should call it "the enlightened side". Just sayin...
The War on Drugs has failed across the board.

This one is dangerous for them though, if steroids were legal and accessible, society would look much different. A far superior species than a bunch of spun out tweekers and heroine addicts. Those people you can oppress. Hard to oppress a bunch of educated, healthy, superhumans.
 

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The War on Drugs has failed across the board.

This one is dangerous for them though, if steroids were legal and accessible, society would look much different. A far superior species than a bunch of spun out tweekers and heroine addicts. Those people you can oppress. Hard to oppress a bunch of educated, healthy, superhumans.
Whaa? So you believe legalizing steroids would turn us into a different species that is "superhuman"? How will everyone be suddenly more educated? And how would people suddenly be more healthy? And how would it rid society of tweekers and heroin addicts?

You don't think there'd be droves of people misusing? Cuz there already are. You can find them here making threads about how they lifted for 6 months and don't have superhuman strength, so they're just gunna pin. I don't persecute steroid use, but to claim legalizing roids will turn us to a superhuman species...well that's a bit much.
 
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Whaa? So you believe legalizing steroids would turn us into a different species that is "superhuman"? How will everyone be suddenly more educated? And how would people suddenly be more healthy? And how would it rid society of tweekers and heroin addicts?

You don't think there'd be droves of people misusing? Cuz there already are. You can find them here making threads about how they lifted for 6 months and don't have superhuman strength, so they're just gunna pin. I don't persecute steroid use, but to claim legalizing roids will turn us to a superhuman species...well that's a bit much.
Wow bro, don't take everything so literally.

Didn't say it would eradicate any other drug use either. And my comment on educated people was basically piggybacking on the comment above mine. Which is in regards to many steroid users.

Metaphors bud. I've been using for a few years and I'm not a superhuman. Ok there I said it.

But do you hold a heroine abuser in the same regard as a steroid abuser?

Go back and reread my post and try to understand what I'm getting at rather than pick it apart in a literal sense.
 

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Wow bro, don't take everything so literally.

Didn't say it would eradicate any other drug use either. And my comment on educated people was basically piggybacking on the comment above mine. Which is in regards to many steroid users.

Metaphors bud. I've been using for a few years and I'm not a superhuman. Ok there I said it.

But do you hold a heroine abuser in the same regard as a steroid abuser?

Go back and reread my post and try to understand what I'm getting at rather than pick it apart in a literal sense.
OK...My bad.

Edit after reread: I think the most effect legal steroids would have on society would be a few more people getting strong and a few more people abusing them. It seemed like your opinion was that steroids being legal would change the face of society in a major ways. It discussed education, oppression and tweekers. I assumed it had something to do with your point. I may still be misinterpreting, so if so, sorry.
 
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Almost sounded like you were going to say something that had some substance. Then I reread it, and it makes no god damn sense.
Haha so true. Also I haven't seen you around in a while life been good?
 
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OK...My bad.

Edit after reread: I think the most effect legal steroids would have on society would be a few more people getting strong and a few more people abusing them. It seemed like your opinion was that steroids being legal would change the face of society in a major ways. It discussed education, oppression and tweekers. I assumed it had something to do with your point. I may still be misinterpreting, so if so, sorry.
I'll concede the discussion. Don't care enough to correct, clarify and/or explain.

I over generalized and overstated my point.
 
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Haha so true. Also I haven't seen you around in a while life been good?
Good man. Doing my best to become superhuman and shiit. Settling for superhusband and superdad in the meantime ��
 

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It probably has something to do with ADA requirements if I was to guess. Lol
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The two most important requirements for major success are: first, being in the right place at the right time, and second, doing something about it.
Yeah, I liked it better when Ray Croc (Founder of McDonald's said it.)
If you are going to plagiarize someone, at least make it someone whom didn't single-handedly help to make America FAT and sick from his 'food'.

Have an original thought now and again please.
 

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Yeah, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
All in all, it's been a wonderful, wonderful ride. I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
 
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It's like vapor ware.
 
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All in all, it's been a wonderful, wonderful ride. I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
Thats great cause I learned along time ago, how to tune out idiots. I was a SGT in the Army, and surrounded by Pvt's and 2nd Lt's. You seem like a mix of both, a young, educated, idiot know it all, without knowing anything.
 

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Thats great cause I learned along time ago, how to tune out idiots. I was a SGT in the Army, and surrounded by Pvt's and 2nd Lt's. You seem like a mix of both, a young, educated, idiot know it all, without knowing anything.
Nothing is more humiliating than to see idiots succeed in enterprises we have failed in.
 
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Nothing is more humiliating than to see idiots succeed in enterprises we have failed in.
Are you saying our military is a failed enterprise?
 

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Are you saying our military is a failed enterprise?
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
 
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies true freedom, food for those who hunger, clothes and warmth for those who don't have. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of those willing to give their lives, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is the only way to a free life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity who receives freedom, by the blood of true hero's willing to give up their own freedoms, so that others will be awarded the freedoms that they so deserve.
There I fixed it for you
 
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Are you saying our military is a failed enterprise?
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
heyboy since you obviously support Eisenhower and his policies, why did he did he decide to just run away from the Korean conflict? Or decide to aid in overthrowing the Democratic leader of Iran?
 

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heyboy since you obviously support Eisenhower and his policies, why did he did he decide to just run away from the Korean conflict? Or decide to aid in overthrowing the Democratic leader of Iran?
The Korean war has always been an unpopular war among the American people.
 
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The Korean war has always been an unpopular war among the American people.
What idiot coined that quote?
Which war was ever popular?

Its like saying: "Spouses don't like beatings in the morning."
 

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What idiot coined that quote?
Which war was ever popular?

Its like saying: "Spouses don't like beatings in the morning."
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I only prefer it on Sundays after church..
I have a personal philosophy in life: If somebody else can do something that I'm doing, they should do it. And what I want to do is find things that would represent a unique contribution to the world - the contribution that only I, and my portfolio of talents, can make happen. Those are my priorities in life.
 
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I have a personal philosophy in life: If somebody else can do something that I'm doing, they should do it. And what I want to do is find things that would represent a unique contribution to the world - the contribution that only I, and my portfolio of talents, can make happen. Those are my priorities in life.
Should we chalk these mementos and parroting, up to one of your contributions to the world?
 
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I have a personal philosophy in life: If somebody else can do something that I'm doing, they should do it. And what I want to do is find things that would represent a unique contribution to the world - the contribution that only I, and my portfolio of talents, can make happen. Those are my priorities in life.
Congratulations. You have failed at the one thing you wanted to do.
 

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