How To MAXIMIZIE A TD cycle?

It's a horrible feeling high bp, I got it when I was on dermatrest and lgd, couldn't even drive the headaches were so bad..
 
hamdysayed said:
2.5 mg first couple days then I was like bp still high so I went with 5 mg and bam neck tightness feel weird bp spikes just felt
bad .
oh yeah n i think my bp monitor is not good any more lol that I realized after aborted cycle
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Sorry to hear bro! That's why I got a small amount first! I hope I react good! I can run trest all do with no prob! Last no check at the doc I was 108/72 with a 59 pulse! My bp and hr have gone down so much since losing weight and doing a lot of cardio!
 
Tell you what though, I feel the tren has almost given me a facelift, no kidding, my jaw is a lot wider ( maybe because I chew a lot of gum and the muscles have grown) and my cheek bones seem higher. Almost like a boxer look, not the dog
 
solidsnake said:
Tell you what though, I feel the tren has almost given me a facelift, no kidding, my jaw is a lot wider ( maybe because I chew a lot of gum and the muscles have grown) and my cheek bones seem higher. Almost like a boxer look, not the dog
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Hahaha... dem der face gains!
 
gonna add in some dermacrine and im a little worried about transference to my 5 year old or my wife. if i apply in the morning, will it come off on my sheets/pillow at night? what else should i worry about?
 
From what ive read, most TDs get absorbed within the first 30mins. If you are that worried, try to find 30 mins when you can do this. Apply TDs, wait 15 min, apply hand sanitizer to further dig the compounds into the skin and after 15 more min take a shower or wash the area with soap. BOOM!
 
Also dermacrine is just DHEA, I wouldnt expect anything bad to happen to anyone by getting some of it rubbed off. Maybe a child but itd have to be a hefty amount and rather regularly.
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
gonna add in some dermacrine and im a little worried about transference to my 5 year old or my wife. if i apply in the morning, will it come off on my sheets/pillow at night? what else should i worry about?
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What other compounds are you on bro?
 
Hey Bry11 how's the bold treating you buddy? I've added it back in. I was reading a Patrick Arnold article on bold and he reckons to get the very best from bold you need to dose it at 2 grams a week... and he's witnessed it in many of his friends.interesting
 
I finished the bold! Dude to run 2 grams td would be insane! U would have to cover your whole body probably! I'm just running test td and test e. I will drop the td test soon. I liked the bold though! Great vascularity and hardener. I think I'm going to run eq soon! I dont know about 2 grams but well see! :)
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
lol there's no way I could wear socks to sleep in. I would go insane. Will prob go insane if I have to wear a shirt
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Dude im the same way! What I do is apply in the morning first thing after shower which is about 7am and then at 4pm I dose again. I work out around 6 then take a shower when I'm done and scrub the application area good! That's it!
 
solidsnake said:
Hey Bry11 how's the bold treating you buddy? I've added it back in. I was reading a Patrick Arnold article on bold and he reckons to get the very best from bold you need to dose it at 2 grams a week... and he's witnessed it in many of his friends.interesting
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Damn, 2g a week. I got 150mg in my blend but I would burn through that bottle trying to meet those demands. The anxiety from the initial bold applications def. has calmed down, I would say you get used to it the longer you run it, at first though I was sketched out about everything, totally thought that everyone was out to get me!
 
Erikeckert said:
Damn, 2g a week. I got 150mg in my blend but I would burn through that bottle trying to meet those demands. The anxiety from the initial bold applications def. has calmed down, I would say you get used to it the longer you run it, at first though I was sketched out about everything, totally thought that everyone was out to get me!
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Damn that sucks! I didn't get any anxiety! Just shows you how people react differently!
 
yeah 2g a week would send me to jail...I agree on the anxiety reduction over time though. Ive been steadily increasing my dosing and things have been ok
 
Trying out some TD test this week. Didn't feel like trying to fly on a plane with pins and vials. Will be interesting to see any changes this week since I have been running test prop for a while.
 
yates84 said:
Trying out some TD test this week. Didn't feel like trying to fly on a plane with pins and vials. Will be interesting to see any changes this week since I have been running test prop for a while.
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You're on TRT, right? Does TSA look down on that lol
 
Woody said:
You're on TRT, right? Does TSA look down on that lol
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Yep, self administered trt. Was gonna bring some gear and then just said fuk it. Would hate to get popped while flying to my wife's parents house lol THEY would definitely look down on it.
 
yates84 said:
Trying out some TD test this week. Didn't feel like trying to fly on a plane with pins and vials. Will be interesting to see any changes this week since I have been running test prop for a while.
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Cool keep us informed bro!
 
yates84 said:
Yep, self administered trt. Was gonna bring some gear and then just said fuk it. Would hate to get popped while flying to my wife's parents house lol THEY would definitely look down on it.
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Yeah that would be awkward ;) ... it's going to be interesting to see what happens :)
 
yates84 said:
Yep, self administered trt. Was gonna bring some gear and then just said fuk it. Would hate to get popped while flying to my wife's parents house lol THEY would definitely look down on it.
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this is your first run at the TD's right? let us know if you develop any methods to make absorbtion better. I notice if I don't do a sanitizer application after my td dries a lot will be on my clothes afterwards. But after Sanitizer is applied and dried not much is left on clothing, maybe I should reduce how much I apply to my trap area to prevent wasted product.
 
Erikeckert said:
this is your first run at the TD's right? let us know if you develop any methods to make absorbtion better. I notice if I don't do a sanitizer application after my td dries a lot will be on my clothes afterwards. But after Sanitizer is applied and dried not much is left on clothing, maybe I should reduce how much I apply to my trap area to prevent wasted product.
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I think Yates mentioned before he "used to be a td junkie" lol... I'm sure he might have secrets. I know it's goid to keep the skin moisturized.
 
Rub the lotion on the skin or else you'll get the hose again! Hahaha I had to say it!
 
Erikeckert said:
this is your first run at the TD's right? let us know if you develop any methods to make absorbtion better. I notice if I don't do a sanitizer application after my td dries a lot will be on my clothes afterwards. But after Sanitizer is applied and dried not much is left on clothing, maybe I should reduce how much I apply to my trap area to prevent wasted product.
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Honestly, I have run more TDs than most of you guys will ever run in your life. I push boundaries of this stuff, that is why my opinion is respected. Will give my honest opinion in a week but I already know what it is gonna be, TDs work great and can really get you where you want to be but testosterone injections will always be king. 1 shot of my test prop had my nipples fat to the point I had to take letro and some adex to get my nips under control. Am using 100mg of test TD that I made every day and did not even bring an ai with me. I am an exception to the rules but real data is real data. Will report back but can bet what it is gonna be
 
yates84 said:
Honestly, I have run more TDs than most of you guys will ever run in your life. I push boundaries of this stuff, that is why my opinion is respected. Will give my honest opinion in a week but I already know what it is gonna be, TDs work great and can really get you where you want to be but testosterone injections will always be king. 1 shot of my test prop had my nipples fat to the point I had to take letro and some adex to get my nips under control. Am using 100mg of test TD that I made every day and did not even bring an ai with me. I am an exception to the rules but real data is real data. Will report back but can bet what it is gonna be
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This is why I switched to test e ;)
 
Bry11 said:
This is why I switched to test e ;)
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Night and day, huh? TD test is good and I use the best raws that are even micronized for better absorbtion but injections of test are "God"
 
yates84 said:
Honestly, I have run more TDs than most of you guys will ever run in your life. I push boundaries of this stuff, that is why my opinion is respected. Will give my honest opinion in a week but I already know what it is gonna be, TDs work great and can really get you where you want to be but testosterone injections will always be king. 1 shot of my test prop had my nipples fat to the point I had to take letro and some adex to get my nips under control. Am using 100mg of test TD that I made every day and did not even bring an ai with me. I am an exception to the rules but real data is real data. Will report back but can bet what it is gonna be
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What would you say the accurate percentage of absorbtion rate is bro? Around 40%?
 
yates84 said:
Night and day, huh? TD test is good and I use the best raws that are even micronized for better absorbtion but injections of test are "God"
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I feel amazing after only being on for 9 days! Tomorrow is gonna be pin #4 and it's only going to get better the next few weeks and I can't wait. So far I just feel better and have more energy. I feel td's can be great for gains but as far as a real "base" yates84 said it best! Test is king!!!
 
yates84 said:
Honestly, I have run more TDs than most of you guys will ever run in your life. I push boundaries of this stuff, that is why my opinion is respected. Will give my honest opinion in a week but I already know what it is gonna be, TDs work great and can really get you where you want to be but testosterone injections will always be king. 1 shot of my test prop had my nipples fat to the point I had to take letro and some adex to get my nips under control. Am using 100mg of test TD that I made every day and did not even bring an ai with me. I am an exception to the rules but real data is real data. Will report back but can bet what it is gonna be
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lol u might need some ai, 1 week on td test tren got my nips the most sensitive I experienced on a cycle ( not that I ran alot )
 
solidsnake said:
What would you say the accurate percentage of absorbtion rate is bro? Around 40%?
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I think its around that range or maybe about 30ish. there are some factors that might come into play as well like, skin moisturized and hair shaved, application area, and if sanitizer was used after initial application. where as pinning what you inject is what you get! wish I could convince the wife to let me cross over.
 
Erikeckert said:
I think its around that range or maybe about 30ish. there are some factors that might come into play as well like, skin moisturized and hair shaved, application area, and if sanitizer was used after initial application. where as pinning what you inject is what you get! wish I could convince the wife to let me cross over.
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I'm so glad my wife understands! It was her idea!!! She got sick of me having to put it on twice a day! 1 pin e3d is so much easier! Plus she loves to jump on me at the drop of a hat and the tds were getting in the way! Hahaha
 
It's weird I didn't feel the td test like I do with Im! I was loosing weight still on td test and I'm only 11 days in to im test and I've gained 4.5 lbs and my diet is the same!
 
Bry11 said:
It's weird I didn't feel the td test like I do with Im! I was loosing weight still on td test and I'm only 11 days in to im test and I've gained 4.5 lbs and my diet is the same!
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B, another thing to consider is that 5a reductase is highly expressed in the skin. For any X amount of test you use, TD is going to have more conversion to DHT and therefore less conversion to estrogen (also from DHT inhibition). This all adds up to TD test being less water retaining and less anabolic than an equivalent dose of IM test.

Because of this, I also think TD bold has a lot of potential. More conversion to dihydroboldenone means more anabolism.

The absorption thing is definitely true, I just think there is another factor that explains why the weight gain is more apparent with IM.
 
hazard12 said:
B, another thing to consider is that 5a reductase is highly expressed in the skin. For any X amount of test you use, TD is going to have more conversion to DHT and therefore less conversion to estrogen (also from DHT inhibition). This all adds up to TD test being less water retaining and less anabolic than an equivalent dose of IM test.

Because of this, I also think TD bold has a lot of potential. More conversion to dihydroboldenone means more anabolism.

The absorption thing is definitely true, I just think there is another factor that explains why the weight gain is more apparent with IM.
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its water for sure! I was just showing the difference between im and td as far as water gain! There was no water gain with td! Also there is just too many factors when it comes to td absorbtion!
 
Also with the im test i have more energy! Like a said on my log ive been suffering from lethargy and a foggy head for years and since ive been on Im test i feel alot better! I have energy physically and mentally! It's just weird that td test didn't do any of that! Td is like test without the libido and feel good and water gain properties! Just the anabolic
 
If you want dhb 1 test td should be available
 
I think you are underestimating the importance of estrogen. There is a reason you dont ever wanna crush your estrogen and why letro feels like death. I believe DHT and androgen receptor agonists increase dopamine in your brain and estrogenic compounds raise serotonin. If you know anything about neurobiology, you know you need both at the appropriate balance to feel happy/motivated and think properly. Depending on your own neurobiology, you might need more dopamine or serotonin to to reach your perfect balance. TD test might have raised your dopamine too high for your serotonin levels making you feel off (much like how too much cocaine will make you feel like ****). The new balance might suit you better making you feel better.
 
I actually like the vascularity/epo effect of bold. I do bikram yoga which leaves me breathless every class. Since I started taking bold I can push the whole class, its like my lungs are freaking pumps. I take the extra anabolism from the TD but I wouldnt wanna remove the awesome aerobic effect! Now if you tell me 1-test doesnt cause any anxiety...I might think about it haha
 
But I've been feeling like **** for years!!!! The doc always blamed it on my weight! But after I lost it he didn't know what it was! He ran all these tests and then after I started the test i feel 100% better! I'm never a sucker for placebo! If that was the case td test would have made me feel better! I have energy and I'm not as down feeling! I feel like I just had a bomb cup of coffee all day kind of! Plus idk if you read my log but after I felt better on test i did research and they did a study on a medication I was prescribed for years and I found out it causes a 75% percent reduction in testosterone after only 3 months! And I know the importance of estro! That's why I only run 12.5mg exem e3d on trest and test!
 
hazard12 said:
I actually like the vascularity/epo effect of bold. I do bikram yoga which leaves me breathless every class. Since I started taking bold I can push the whole class, its like my lungs are freaking pumps. I take the extra anabolism from the TD but I wouldnt wanna remove the awesome aerobic effect! Now if you tell me 1-test doesnt cause any anxiety...I might think about it haha
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Idk if it does! I dont think so since ive never heard of it casing anxiety!
 
True, I mean yeah you probably do need test and IM test is definitely more "natural" than TD. They way it behaves and converts more closely resembles naturally produced testosterone than TD. Im glad you are feeling better man, I actually had a similar improvement when I started taking my TDs and stuff :D
 
hazard12 said:
True, I mean yeah you probably do need test and IM test is definitely more "natural" than TD. They way it behaves and converts more closely resembles naturally produced testosterone than TD. Im glad you are feeling better man, I actually had a similar improvement when I started taking my TDs and stuff :D
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Awsome bro! It just didnt work like that for me! Hahaha it might have something to do with my test being shot? I mean maybe since you had probably normal levels when you started it might have a greater effect? Maybe it just absorbs better with you? What's your body fat like?
 
I started with 541 test levels which is low for my age (25). I started with about 16-17% bf and im probably under 14 at this point. I do have very fair skin. All those years burning under the sun might have had a silver lining xD
 
hazard12 said:
I started with 541 test levels which is low for my age (25). I started with about 16-17% bf and im probably under 14 at this point. I do have very fair skin. All those years burning under the sun might have had a silver lining xD
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**** that's still pretty good! So I'm about 16 % bf myself and I got Irish skin which I keep moisturized. But do you look like you got sunburn after putting on a couple mil of td's too???? Hahaha every time I get sunburn looking on the areas. Then after a couple hours it goes away.
 
Im pissed I didn't use test earlier! I feel normal again and the only way you can feel test e right away is if you were super low! Hahaha
 
Hey hazard12 pretty soon you will have to be fending b1tches off with a stick if your not already!
 
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