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CJNator said:
No, government is failing. Government is so pose to work for the people not the majority of people, not the minority of people, not for a certain class of people, not for a certain race of people, for ALL people yet it's continuously fails throughout history, revolution after revolution; there is no denying it unless you choose to just to be opinionated. No one knows what kind of government is ruling now and I won't even name the names that can fit the government ruling.

Theoretically it can become feudalism but in reality our government is becoming a socialistic state and no socialistic state has succeeded to work for the people.
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Just a random thought, but lots of things in nature are cyclical, so perhaps the same "cycles" apply for governments/empires as well; I don't know if any form of government/rule could serve the people indefinitely forever. Even if there was an "ideal" form of government, human influence (corruption, greed, etc) would likely lead to it being perverted in some way, which would mean it would eventually have to adapt/reform or "restart." Hopefully that makes some sense, I wrote it on my phone while eating, haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Just a random thought, but lots of things in nature are cyclical, so perhaps the same "cycles" apply for governments/empires as well; I don't know if any form of government/rule could serve the people indefinitely forever. Even if there was an "ideal" form of government, human influence (corruption, greed, etc) would likely lead to it being perverted in some way, which would mean it would eventually have to adapt/reform or "restart." Hopefully that makes some sense, I wrote it on my phone while eating, haha.
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You're 1000% correct, that's why I say try something new. The cycle of government needs to end, the only anarchism that has failed is anarcho-socialism during the two revolutions in Russia and anarcho-syndicalism in Chile. Right wing anarchy hasn't ever existed since it's fairly new therefore I see no problem in trying it. Whether we try it the worse case scenario is another state popping up.
 
I wouldnt mind simply re-storing the Bill of Rights and Constitution and cleaning house from all these corrupt war mongering big government law breaking politicians!

Our laws are set right there....nobody in power follows it anymore. And they want to take our guns away! ROFL!
 
ax1 said:
I wouldnt mind simply re-storing the Bill of Rights and Constitution and cleaning house from all these corrupt war mongering big government law breaking politicians!

Our laws are set right there....nobody in power follows it anymore. And they want to take our guns away! ROFL!
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Me neither that would be great but if that happens it just means another big brother state will grow from that. The idea of right wing libertarianism is so that you can establish your state on your own but if your state becomes a threat to us or violates your citizens rights(outside any social contract) then other free societies can help out the citizens by hiring mercenaries to assist in over throwing said government anyway possible.

The idea of ring wing libertarianism is to allow the people to choose how they want to live and the best way to live will obviously rein supreme since people will be allowed to choose where to live.
 
CJNator said:
Me neither that would be great but if that happens it just means another big brother state will grow from that. The idea of right wing libertarianism is so that you can establish your state on your own but if your state becomes a threat to us or violates your citizens rights(outside any social contract) then other free societies can help out the citizens by hiring mercenaries to assist in over throwing said government anyway possible.

The idea of ring wing libertarianism is to allow the people to choose how they want to live and the best way to live will obviously rein supreme since people will be allowed to choose where to live.
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Thats how its set up though sorta like your talking about....small central government, 50 states each with the people taking their right to bear arms and form militias. We are supposed to be the free society helping ourselfs protect the freedoms that belong to us since government is incapable of doing so in the long term as it naturally becomes a power hungry monster as is seen today. Instead today people obsess with Greys Anatomy and Dancing with the Stars :)
 
ax1 said:
Thats how its set up though sorta like your talking about....small central government, 50 states each with the people taking their right to bear arms and form militias. We are supposed to be the free society helping ourselfs protect the freedoms that belong to us since government is incapable of doing so in the long term as it naturally becomes a power hungry monster as is seen today. Instead today people obsess with Greys Anatomy and Dancing with the Stars :)
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Yea exactly, the difference though is that people get the choice to only have the free market to be the governing entity. If someone doesn't want to be centrally governed they can but in the society you want they would have to overthrow the state to become sovereign.

Also there isn't a monopoly on security and protection.
 
ax1 said:
Thats how its set up though sorta like your talking about....small central government, 50 states each with the people taking their right to bear arms and form militias. We are supposed to be the free society helping ourselfs protect the freedoms that belong to us since government is incapable of doing so in the long term as it naturally becomes a power hungry monster as is seen today. Instead today people obsess with Greys Anatomy and Dancing with the Stars :)
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Real Housewives FTW!
 
CJNator said:
Yea exactly, the difference though is that people get the choice to only have the free market to be the governing entity. If someone doesn't want to be centrally governed they can but in the society you want they would have to overthrow the state to become sovereign.

Also there isn't a monopoly on security and protection.
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But even within the free markets you can grow the same monsters we see in government. There isnt a monopoly on security and protection, but any small group of people can plot their own internal expansion and then a coup.

I get alot of what you post on here, I think its a little ridiculous to say it wouldnt work at all and it would be a catastrophe, especially with what we see here today which already is a catastrophe, lol.
 
Word on the street is that Hitleries DOJ (they purged it during Bill's time) is blocking NYPD from doing their jobs and arresting people from the little Wiener case.
 
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My sources tell me he checked in to prevent getting whacked by an agent of the Clintons.

How long before he meets his demise by "his own hand"?
 
ax1 said:
But even within the free markets you can grow the same monsters we see in government. There isnt a monopoly on security and protection, but any small group of people can plot their own internal expansion and then a coup.

I get alot of what you post on here, I think its a little ridiculous to say it wouldnt work at all and it would be a catastrophe, especially with what we see here today which already is a catastrophe, lol.
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Well in that case it wouldn't be a monopoly because the only regulations would be by the people and only the people voluntarily. A monopoly on security and protection would be the military and police force, the private sector would replace them with mercenaries and private security. A coup can happen but why put the people in a position to have that happen? Usually coups still turn into other states due to central planning plus look what happened during the whisky rebellion, that coup failed. Plus the civil war, now the civil wars is only seen as a war against bunch of rednecks that liked slavery instead of a bunch of states that wanted to secede from the union.

From what you've said I believe you and I are only a couple of steps from each other. Looking at what government has done throughout history I want no part in it since it only ends with death, death, and more death.
 
CJNator said:
Well in that case it wouldn't be a monopoly because the only regulations would be by the people and only the people voluntarily. A monopoly on security and protection would be the military and police force, the private sector would replace them with mercenaries and private security. A coup can happen but why put the people in a position to have that happen? Usually coups still turn into other states due to central planning plus look what happened during the whisky rebellion, that coup failed. Plus the civil war, now the civil wars is only seen as a war against bunch of rednecks that liked slavery instead of a bunch of states that wanted to secede from the union.

From what you've said I believe you and I are only a couple of steps from each other. Looking at what government has done throughout history I want no part in it since it only ends with death, death, and more death.
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Government just sucks...we are only a couple steps away but are both stepping in the same excact direction as majority of people seem to keep begging more and more for what has caused the problems we have today.
 
ax1 said:
Government just sucks...we are only a couple steps away but are both stepping in the same excact direction as majority of people seem to keep begging more and more for what has caused the problems we have today.
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Exactly, that's why I'll always express my political views. Whether or not someone agrees 100% with me they may lean towards being a classical liberal or constitutionalists. We will be the last stand for a more traditional way of being.

Also hopefully people realize throw growth of Marxism in our culture is poisoning our way of life.
 
CJNator said:
Exactly, that's why I'll always express my political views. Whether or not someone agrees 100% with me they may lean towards being a classical liberal or constitutionalists. We will be the last stand for a more traditional way of being.

Also hopefully people realize throw growth of Marxism in our culture is poisoning our way of life.
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Well that right there Marxism is the ultimate monopoly. Thats why special elites such as the Rothschilds and western bankers financed Marx, Communism and revolutionary uprisings in Russia, etc.......There is ALOT of money to be made with Marxism and ALOT of power to gain.
 
CJNator said:
No, government is failing. Government is so pose to work for the people not the majority of people, not the minority of people, not for a certain class of people, not for a certain race of people, for ALL people yet it's continuously fails throughout history, revolution after revolution; there is no denying it unless you choose to just to be opinionated. No one knows what kind of government is ruling now and I won't even name the names that can fit the government ruling.

Theoretically it can become feudalism but in reality our government is becoming a socialistic state and no socialistic state has succeeded to work for the people.
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Our "form" of government isn't what's failing. It's the progressives that are running it and that have bastardized our Constitution that is failing us. The part of our government that needs to change is getting back to the Constitution and the people in it.
 
ax1 said:
Well that right there Marxism is the ultimate monopoly. Thats why special elites such as the Rothschilds and western bankers financed Marx, Communism and revolutionary uprisings in Russia, etc.......There is ALOT of money to be made with Marxism and ALOT of power to gain.
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You're right on the ball, Marxism is the ultimately evil in this world. That's why our American culture is shifting into that way of being.
youngandfree said:
Our "form" of government isn't what's failing. It's the progressives that are running it and that have bastardized our Constitution that is failing us. The part of our government that needs to change is getting back to the Constitution and the people in it.
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Tell me how republicans will decentralize this government and I mean to the back to constitutional days. Progressives/Marxists are merely reactionaries to the conservatives/traditionalists ways since they way of life was forced on them by the state.
 
If any of you guys are voting here is a tip, go to Invalid Link Removed. This is a good place to do some homework so you know more about the ballot in a well organized fashion. Doesnt have everything though.

Im not voting for President this year again, but Im certainly taking place in my local elections hoping it actually gets counted, lol
 
CJNator said:
You're right on the ball, Marxism is the ultimately evil in this world. That's why our American culture is shifting into that way of being.

Tell me how republicans will decentralize this government and I mean to the back to constitutional days. Progressives/Marxists are merely reactionaries to the conservatives/traditionalists ways since they way of life was forced on them by the state.
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Your failure to understand that many of the "republicans" are progressives also shows you don't have a true understanding of how things work. :)
 
youngandfree said:
Your failure to understand that many of the "republicans" are progressives also shows you don't have a true understanding of how things work. :)
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Touché and I do, I just see what you post and assumed you were a republican. Plus by saying our form of government I mean government itself is a failure. By government failing I mean government just doesn't work period.

So tell me how to stop progressive movement from coming about?
 
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CJNator said:
Touché and I do, I just see what you post and assumed you were a republican. Plus by saying our form of government I mean government itself is a failure. By government failing I mean government just doesn't work period.

So tell me how to stop progressive movement from coming about?
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I guess that depends on your definition of "works". Our county had produced the most innovation and most wealth in its first 200 years than any other nation. Obviously our government worked well enough to do that before the progressives started changing the roll of government in the early 1900's.
 
youngandfree said:
I guess that depends on your definition of "works". Our county had produced the most innovation and most wealth in its first 200 years than any other nation. Obviously our government worked well enough to do that before the progressives started changing the roll of government in the early 1900's.
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It really changed after the coup of 1913.
 
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Another 10,000+ attendees at a Trump rally in PA. Clinton has dozens at hers so she goes to a Jay-Z concert and calls that a rally.

The pollsters say he doesn't have a chance, but the rally attendance shows what the support really looks like.
 
youngandfree said:
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Another 10,000+ attendees at a Trump rally in PA. Clinton has dozens at hers so she goes to a Jay-Z concert and calls that a rally.

The pollsters say he doesn't have a chance, but the rally attendance shows what the support really looks like.
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Doesnt mean a whole lot, what matters is who and if all the votes are counted. Ron Paul had huge rallies, he still cant get answers to how many people voted the last 2 elections.
 
youngandfree said:
I guess that depends on your definition of "works". Our county had produced the most innovation and most wealth in its first 200 years than any other nation. Obviously our government worked well enough to do that before the progressives started changing the roll of government in the early 1900's.
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That was not government at all, that was capitalism or state capitalism to be specific.
 
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youngandfree said:
The government in place allowed it to happen, or didn't get in the way of it, depending your perspective.
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Well it's not depending on perspective, free trade(capitalism)happens whether or not government intervenes. The government just takes the people's hard earned money and uses it however they want. Capitalism exists because of individuals.
 
CJNator said:
Plus why aren't people talking about this Invalid Link Removed I'm going to share it again just because my mind is pretty blown.
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Are you really serious? ::Rollseyes::

Whoever wrote that ridiculous piece doesn't even have a basic understanding of Satanism.

Why do people continue to post such obviously ridiculous sh1te? Been hitting those hallucinogens again, buddy? ;)

People aren't talking about it because it's stupid and makes no sense. It IS good for a laugh, though.

Posting stuff like this destroys your credibility in my eyes, unless you're joking ;)

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Misfit28 said:
Are you really serious? ::Rollseyes::

Whoever wrote that ridiculous piece doesn't even have a basic understanding of Satanism.

Why do people continue to post such obviously ridiculous sh1te? Been hitting those hallucinogens again, buddy? ;)

People aren't talking about it because it's stupid and makes no sense. It IS good for a laugh, though.

Posting stuff like this destroys your credibility in my eyes, unless you're joking ;)

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So you believe it's wrong because snopes says so . Looking into it there is no way of say whether or not it's true so claiming it's isn't true is also wrong. Invalid Link Removed

I will admit I jumped the gun but to discredit it 100% is the same ignorance that I used.
 
CJNator said:
So you believe it's wrong because snopes says so . Looking into it there is no way of say whether or not it's true so claiming it's isn't true is also wrong. Invalid Link Removed

I will admit I jumped the gun but to discredit it 100% is the same ignorance that I used.
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No, it's completely and outrageously bullsh1t. I'm so tired of this stupid a$$ Alex Jones conspiracy bullsh1t.

Maybe you need some more hallucinogens.
 
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Since you like conspiracy type stuff, here's one about Libertarianism being rooted in Satanism:

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Misfit28 said:
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Since you like conspiracy type stuff, here's one about Libertarianism being rooted in Satanism:

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Let's get the facts straight. No matter what article you read the facts are Hitlery is one of the most evil demonic people on the planet her vagina is filled with black pus. She is Satan herself. She is a war mongering genocidal psychopath and that's who you are voting for. The future genocidal blood will be on the fingertips of her voters if she gets in.
 
ax1 said:
Let's get the facts straight. No matter what article you read the facts are Hitlery is one of the most evil demonic people on the planet her vagina is filled with black pus. She is Satan herself. She is a war mongering genocidal psychopath and that's who you are voting for. The future genocidal blood will be on the fingertips of her voters if she gets in.
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That's truly insane, man.
 
Misfit28 said:
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Since you like conspiracy type stuff, here's one about Libertarianism being rooted in Satanism:

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Oh it must be true since the host of the party said so lol. Invalid Link Removed

Plus that was a interesting article, thank you. Anyways libertarianism isn't a collective ideology so it doesn't matter how it came about, Marxism on the other hand is therefore it's an actual problem.
 
CJNator said:
Oh it must be true since the host of the party said so lol. Invalid Link Removed

Plus that was a interesting article, thank you. Anyways libertarianism isn't a collective ideology so it doesn't matter how it came about, Marxism on the other hand is therefore it's an actual problem.
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It seems to me that you are discarding your praxeology in favor of anecdotal evidence :)
 
CJNator said:
So you believe it's wrong because snopes says so . Looking into it there is no way of say whether or not it's true so claiming it's isn't true is also wrong. Invalid Link Removed

I will admit I jumped the gun but to discredit it 100% is the same ignorance that I used.
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Marina is a performance artist, not a satanist. Regardless, I thought people stopped being afraid of satanists in the 80s, no?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Marina is a performance artist, not a satanist. Regardless, I thought people stopped being afraid of satanists in the 80s, no?
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Can't a performance artist be a satanist? Plus I don't care about any religion, I was just really surprised hearing out it lol.
 
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