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Ask the brofessor your ph/aas/pct questions

JG93 said:
I use it on cycle as well, problem with me when I get on cycle, is I pump out. Even at 5G of taurine I have pump a lot.
Even then, I will decrease weight and use the scheme. I feel it is best for strength gains as well as muscle mass increase.

For power lifters it isn't a good scheme, but that's another ball game.
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Agreed, I'm taking about 10g taurine per day right now and I'm still temporarily crippled after deadlift and even bent over rows. I effortlessly achieve a pump no matter what muscle i'm working on.
warpyfunch said:
How do you guys feel about lower rep schemes post-cycle? Heavy sets of 5 or 3 to focus on strength but with low overall volume?
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JG93 said:
It is great to really increase your PR and gain strength.

During pct I would stick with a bit more volume maybe 8 6 3 of your heavy lifts.

That way you are contributing to mass and strength
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Agreed. You could even do 5x5 for your compound lift and then 8-12 on the rest of your exercises. So for example bench press 5x5 and then for all the rest of your accessory chest and tricep exercises, hit 3-4 sets of 8-12
 
BamBam0319 said:
Agreed, I'm taking about 10g taurine per day right now and I'm still temporarily crippled after deadlift and even bent over rows. I effortlessly achieve a pump no matter what muscle i'm working on.




Agreed. You could even do 5x5 for your compound lift and then 8-12 on the rest of your exercises. So for example bench press 5x5 and then for all the rest of your accessory chest and tricep exercises, hit 3-4 sets of 8-12
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Wow 10G, I may have to up it... I pump just looking at myself lol!

Also, great advice on the lifts.
Couldn't get any better than that
 
If youve been doing 8-12 rep ranges on cycle, imo youd be foolish to then stop doing them and going to a 5rep or less program if maintaining mass is your goal.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
If youve been doing 8-12 rep ranges on cycle, imo youd be foolish to then stop doing them and going to a 5rep or less program if maintaining mass is your goal.
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Good point. I go all the up to 20 reps for some exercises on cycle, (and more sometimes on dropsets and burnouts) and my plan is to gradually drop down to 15 and 8-12 as I come off cycle. So still keep some volume but not as ridiculously high as on cycle.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
If youve been doing 8-12 rep ranges on cycle, imo youd be foolish to then stop doing them and going to a 5rep or less program if maintaining mass is your goal.
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Personally I disagree to a point.
Like I said, 8 6 3 is what I would do, but...

I believe It is imperative to change your routine.

If he is busting 5 sets of 5 and adding in 8-12 in his auxiliary lifts, what's to say that won't serve him better?
Maybe his 8-12 didn't include much auxiliary, and now it will?

Accessory not aux. stupid autocorrect
 
NewAgeMayan said:
If youve been doing 8-12 rep ranges on cycle, imo youd be foolish to then stop doing them and going to a 5rep or less program if maintaining mass is your goal.
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This past cycle I was actually focusing on strength and doing the majority of my big lifts with low reps. 5x5, 10x3, and a day of working up to heavy singles every other week. Gained mass, but of course not as much as could have been with higher reps. Gained good strength though, which was my goal. My plan, which I was kinda just looking for general reassurance on, was this:

On cycle - lift 4 days/week, three heavy 3-5 rep compound lifts (aggressively increasing weight thru cycle), one or two 8-10 rep accessory lifts, total workout time 60-75min, bulking calories

PCT - lift 3-4 days/week, three heavy 3-5 rep compound lifts (same weights but with less aggressive increases, and fewer sets), one 10-12 rep accessory lift, total workout time 45min, bulking calories

Immediately Post-PCT - lift 3-4 days/week, one heavy 3-5 rep compound lift (increased sets), two 8-10 rep compound lifts, two 10-12 rep accessory lifts, total workout time 60min, taper down to maintenance calories

3 weeks Post-PCT - lift 4 days/week, three 6-8 rep compound lifts, three 8-10 rep accessory lifts, HIIT, total workout time 60-75min, begin tapering calories into cutting range
 
BamBam0319 said:
Good point. I go all the up to 20 reps for some exercises on cycle, (and more sometimes on dropsets and burnouts) and my plan is to gradually drop down to 15 and 8-12 as I come off cycle. So still keep some volume but not as ridiculously high as on cycle.
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Ive found PHAT to be one of the best periodisation programs, which is pretty much along the lines of what you suggested in another post.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Ive found PHAT to be one of the best periodisation programs, which is pretty much along the lines of what you suggested in another post.
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Yep. I ran PHAT for the first 2/3 of the cycle I'm on, and started just doing mostly higher volume in the last couple weeks and chasing the pump. Still getting some strength stuff in, but not ever going lower than 6 reps. Right now just more concerned with maximizing growth before coming off. 5 weeks to go.
 
JG93 said:
Personally I disagree to a point.
Like I said, 8 6 3 is what I would do, but...

I believe It is imperative to change your routine.

If he is busting 5 sets of 5 and adding in 8-12 in his auxiliary lifts, what's to say that won't serve him better?
Maybe his 8-12 didn't include much auxiliary, and now it will?

Accessory not aux. stupid autocorrect
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Generally speaking, getting stronger in the 8-12 rep range will be more efficient at generating hypertrophy than getting stronger in the 3-5 rep range.

I think I agree with you, in as much that it is evident that, within reason, just about any rep range is potentially capable of generating hypertrophy. However, some rep ranges would appear to be more efficient than others.
 
warpyfunch said:
This past cycle I was actually focusing on strength and doing the majority of my big lifts with low reps. 5x5, 10x3, and a day of working up to heavy singles every other week. Gained mass, but of course not as much as could have been with higher reps. Gained good strength though, which was my goal. My plan, which I was kinda just looking for general reassurance on, was this:

On cycle - lift 4 days/week, three heavy 3-5 rep compound lifts (aggressively increasing weight thru cycle), one or two 8-10 rep accessory lifts, total workout time 60-75min, bulking calories

PCT - lift 3-4 days/week, three heavy 3-5 rep compound lifts (same weights but with less aggressive increases, and fewer sets), one 10-12 rep accessory lift, total workout time 45min, bulking calories

Immediately Post-PCT - lift 3-4 days/week, one heavy 3-5 rep compound lift (increased sets), two 8-10 rep compound lifts, two 10-12 rep accessory lifts, total workout time 60min, taper down to maintenance calories

3 weeks Post-PCT - lift 4 days/week, three 6-8 rep compound lifts, three 8-10 rep accessory lifts, HIIT, total workout time 60-75min, begin tapering calories into cutting range
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There are obviously a number of variables at play when it comes to strength and hypertrophy ie volume, frequency, TUT, form, etc, and then all that stuff outside the gym.

Again, crudely, as long as you are maintaining or better yet increasing your 10rm, you should concurrently be maintaining or increasing hypertrophic potential. If the daily-weekly volume you list above is sufficient at doing that, then all good.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yep. I ran PHAT for the first 2/3 of the cycle I'm on, and started just doing mostly higher volume in the last couple weeks and chasing the pump. Still getting some strength stuff in, but not ever going lower than 6 reps. Right now just more concerned with maximizing growth before coming off. 5 weeks to go.
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You heard of fst-7?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I dont know tbh, it certainly isnt magical, or even really that novel. But, your comment about chasing the pump reminded me of it.
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That's the one where you do 7 sets of your last exercise or something like that, right? I think I was reading about it the other day and considering adding it in, or a variation of it at least
 
BamBam0319 said:
That's the one where you do 7 sets of your last exercise or something like that, right? I think I was reading about it the other day and considering adding it in, or a variation of it at least
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Yeah bro thats the one. 7 sets last exercise, 30sh secs between each set, static stretching and muscle contraction/holds between each set. The idea being to stretch the fascia both from the inside ie via the pump, and the outside via the static stretch.

Just added it to my current program, too.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Yeah bro thats the one. 7 sets last exercise, 30sh secs between each set, static stretching and muscle contraction/holds between each set. The idea being to stretch the fascia both from the inside ie via the pump, and the outside via the static stretch.

Just added it to my current program, too.
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Nice! Might start doing that, sounds effective!
 
BamBam0319 said:
Nice! Might start doing that, sounds effective!
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I hope so. I dont know enough about the relevant physiology to assess if it is based on sound science or not.

At the very least it should be a challenging way of increasing bout/session volume, so cant be a total loss :)
 
i haven't looked into liver stress from serms, but don't think it's something to be concerned about.
Nac would probably be fine if it's a concern of yours.
I'm more concerned about getting my body back to as healthy as it can be post cycle. So I run cycle assist in pct an continued after.
 
Good discussion about training during pct an on in here.
 
Okay Brofessorio, if you tell someone you are on 500 mg of AAS, are you counting the ester weight in that # or not?
Thanks.
 
Anvil72 said:
Okay Brofessorio, if you tell someone you are on 500 mg of AAS, are you counting the ester weight in that # or not?
Thanks.
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I don't really understand haha. Most people say "yeah I'm on 500mg a week of testosterone enanthate." Or whatever they're on, including the esters.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I don't really understand haha. Most people say "yeah I'm on 500mg a week of testosterone enanthate." Or whatever they're on, including the esters.
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For health reasons I guess. If for some reason you took test suspension at 500 a week, you should be getting about 500 mg of AAS. If it is test cyp, maybe only 350? Drastically different end results I would think. Or when a member consults another member that 750 mg a week is too much, do they mean a gram minus the esters?
 
Another one... I used topical Trest for my first cycle. I loved it and I gained some shoulders right away. Have you witnessed this substance do good things or was I likely a Newb with placebo effect? Thanks.
 
Anvil72 said:
For health reasons I guess. If for some reason you took test suspension at 500 a week, you should be getting about 500 mg of AAS. If it is test cyp, maybe only 350? Drastically different end results I would think. Or when a member consults another member that 750 mg a week is too much, do they mean a gram minus the esters?
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It depends, what ester were they referring to when they said it's too much? And you may still get better results from 350mg/week of cyp vs 500mg/week of sus. Suspension has a much much much shorter half life due to its lack of an ester.
Anvil72 said:
Another one... I used topical Trest for my first cycle. I loved it and I gained some shoulders right away. Have you witnessed this substance do good things or was I likely a Newb with placebo effect? Thanks.
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Most people on this board love trest like their long lost lover haha
 
BamBam0319 said:
I don't really understand haha. Most people say "yeah I'm on 500mg a week of testosterone enanthate." Or whatever they're on, including the esters.
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I don't, no. I just specify what ester I'm using. If someone really wants to know they can find it.
Like I just finished 600mg/week of test prop for 8 weeks. I'm talking about how much of the product I was using.
 
Anvil72 said:
Another one... I used topical Trest for my first cycle. I loved it and I gained some shoulders right away. Have you witnessed this substance do good things or was I likely a Newb with placebo effect? Thanks.
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Localized site injection enhancement is often debated.
There is no data based evidence it works. An you'll probably find plenty of bro's who swear by it an the same amount that say it's placebo.

Same goes for topicals

I don't use topicals, but injecting into my shoulders has done nothing to help them grow. Only lifting heavy has.
 
What do guys who are on already on TRT do if/when they run a ph/ds cycle? I'm assuming that taking 4-Andro or Epi-Andro to maintain energy and libido would be pointless since you are already getting testosterone injections weekly. Since they're already on TRT do they even bother running a PCT/Serm afterwards? Would there even be any point or benefit to it?

The reason that I'm curious is because I'm at the age (a lot older than I care to admit to unfortunately) that I should just say the heck with otc test boosters and probably will break down and get a consultation and look into going on TRT. However back in 2014 when the last ban came into affect I stocked up on IML Halo and Msten because the prices were so good. I'd hate to see them go to waste and know that at some point I'll want to end using them.
 
johnl1800 said:
What do guys who are on already on TRT do if/when they run a ph/ds cycle? I'm assuming that taking 4-Andro or Epi-Andro to maintain energy and libido would be pointless since you are already getting testosterone injections weekly. Since they're already on TRT do they even bother running a PCT/Serm afterwards? Would there even be any point or benefit to it?

The reason that I'm curious is because I'm at the age (a lot older than I care to admit to unfortunately) that I should just say the heck with otc test boosters and probably will break down and get a consultation and look into going on TRT. However back in 2014 when the last ban came into affect I stocked up on IML Halo and Msten because the prices were so good. I'd hate to see them go to waste and know that at some point I'll want to end using them.
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If you're on TRT you don't do PCT. Just blast and cruise
 
Captn_the said:
That is plenty. On other forums Olympus labs had a bad rep for bad products. I'd say you got fcuked as trest is as powerful a compound as it gets.
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Right, I was just so confused because everyone else was feeling it within the first week and I didn't feel it even after 4. Who knows. But like I said, this is my first experience with OL that was less than satisfactory.
 
I've used ol derma trest and by week 2 it blew me up to f**k! Good gear my friend, highly recommend...
 
Captn_the said:
That is plenty. On other forums Olympus labs had a bad rep for bad products. I'd say you got fcuked as trest is as powerful a compound as it gets.
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25mg oral prewo, for some aint gonna do diddly whether its our product or sigma aldrich

50mg td may also do jack, again regardless of purity, if you have derma absorption difficulties which may require rigorous exfoliation treatment to overcome/improve. Bam has said he has had prior issues with other nonOL td products.

Not trying to make excuses, but maybe we should try and exhaust other more practical/likely scenarios before claiming bunk product.
 
Yo brofessor, I just started an OL epi/tren cycle im on week 1 at 30mg epi and 60mg tren. What is the standard dose when stacking these two compounds? would it be something like this...epistane @30/45/45/45/45 tren @60/90/90/90/90?

btw im 164lbs 5'7" maybe around 15%BF
 
Last cycle I did 75mg dermal and 25 mg oral pre-workout with ALPHA M60 EXTREME MASS BY Lgi. Trest helps me with the lethargy problem. This was my second run with trest as test base. I don't understand what every one is speaking about feeling on trest or other ph:'s. I don't feel anything but I grow and that is possetive! When I did 100 MG of trest my nippels were sensitive or more of a burning feeling. But with a good AI it took away the problem.
 
Misfits88 said:
Yo brofessor, I just started an OL epi/tren cycle im on week 1 at 30mg epi and 60mg tren. What is the standard dose when stacking these two compounds? would it be something like this...epistane @30/45/45/45/45 tren @60/90/90/90/90?

btw im 164lbs 5'7" maybe around 15%BF
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I'd just go 45/90 the whole way
 
Ok. Yes or no.... Nolvadex in PCT after running oral Tr3n? I like cloud and nolvadex together, but read conflicting info on nolva after tren.
 
Guess you won't know if it's for you unless you try it
 
bobi593 said:
what's your thoughts on combo clom/nolv in pct vs classic clom or nolv
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I run clomid an ai in pct.

How my next pct will look (been on since 2nd week of December) this is what I've found works best for me.
Serm +ai + 5mg osta+super pct 1-4 weeks,
Ai+super pct 5-6weeks
Super pct 7-8 weeks

Then I'll wait a week an get bloods to see what's up.
 
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