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Imm trynna make me some GAINS!

So provided that I eventually can train legs on this gear and not forced to stop the test, I was thinking of adding Anavar 50mg/ED PW a week after I stop the Msten. Im not entirely sure if this would be too harsh on my liver as it would mean that id be running 4 weeks of msten, 1 week of just test, followed by 3 weeks of Anavar, followed by 2 weeks of just test and then the 5 weeks of epi. Or I could just run the anavar PW while running the epi. Anyone have any experience doing anything like this? I am running cycle support extensively and drinking loads of water as to prevent damage to my body as much as i can.
 
So to be clear for those last 5 weeks id be running test 500/week epi 50mg/day and anavar 50mg PW.
 
So im basically gonna complete change my cycle...i cant do this ridiculous pip anymore. Getting ready in the morning is like carving my thigh with a knife. I dont know if my source isnt legit or what not but this is not acceptable by any means.

Im thinking just starting with the epi by the 3rd week and once the msten is over put the anavar in.

Itd basically look like:
Msten: 14/21/21/21/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/50/50/50
Anavar: 0/0/0/0/50/50/50
I know its a liver heavy cycle but i dont know how else to salvage this cycle.
 
hazard12 said:
So im basically gonna complete change my cycle...i cant do this ridiculous pip anymore. Getting ready in the morning is like carving my thigh with a knife. I dont know if my source isnt legit or what not but this is not acceptable by any means.

Im thinking just starting with the epi by the 3rd week and once the msten is over put the anavar in.

Itd basically look like:
Msten: 14/21/21/21/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/50/50/50
Anavar: 0/0/0/0/50/50/50
I know its a liver heavy cycle but i dont know how else to salvage this cycle.
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I'm sure your liver will be fine. Take some cycle support and/or Tudca for peace of mind, drink lots of water and NO alcohol.
Looks like a decent cycle to me
 
Yeah i take cycle support 2 times a day and liv52. My only hope right now is that my legs arent crippled, havent traines them in 2 weeks already and dont know what damage has been caused so far.
 
Day 15: Back n bicep
Chin ups (lat down machine): 210x8 230x7 240x5 240x6
Dumbbell rows: 70x8 80x7 80x7
Pull ups: x9 x9 x9
Lat cross: 140x8 160x5
Z bar preacher curl: 75x7 x9 x7
Dummbell curls 20lb burn.

Managed to crawl my ass into the gym and did as much as I could. At this point my legs arent only hurting like a bitch but also draining me, sort of like the flu. Im fairly confident stopping the test is the right choice.

Still I was quite impressed by my lifts considering my status. The pump today was ridiculous i could feel my back completely hard from the chin ups.

Im starting the epi at 40mg/day tomorrow. Im considering getting more CJC-1295 to run through the rest of my cycle or for the PCT as it has done wonders for my lower back injury and some GI problems I had
 
Yeah the more time passes the more convinced I am quitting the injectables was the right choice. My right leg is still painful as hell and has me limping all over the place. Im going to manage to go to the gym today and hopefully it wont get in the way.

I do have a question to anyone whos been in a similar situation. When should i go back to doing legs again? Should i wait untill i have no pain at all? My left leg has been ok to walk since Saturday but if i try to do a squat or apply too much force i can still feel some pain where the pin site was.
 
Day 17: Chest/Shoulder/Triceps
Incline Chest press: 185x8 205x6 215x7 215x7 215x5
Flat bench press: 185x7 205x6 205x6
Machine chest flies: 150x9 180x7 180x8 180x8
Dumbbell shoulder press: 50x10 50x9 50x8
Tricep cable extension palm up: 160x8 180x10 180x10 180x10
Machine Shoulder flies: 70xburn 3 sets

Crazy good workout. In spite of the limping I got extra reps on everything. Even better I worked out semi fasted, allI had was a shake earlier and BCAA during my workout. I can already see some changes in my physique, bigger traps/shoulders. My lifts are definitely going up and I cant wait to start doing legs again. So far i dont have any side effect from anything other than the terrible pip from the test (funny how the injectable is giving me more sides than orals).
 
The BP effect is starting to become noticeable. After drinking a 16oz coffee I got a very mild headache nothing bad at all but a good warning sign.

This could however get better after the inflammation in my right leg goes down.
 
Day 18: Bicep/Abs/Traps
Bicep Dumbbell curls 3 sets
Bicep cable curls 3 sets
Leg raises Stading obliques with dumbbells 4 sets
Crunches 4 sets
Shrugs 3 4 sets

My back wasnt ready to work it out so I decided to do a accesory lifts day and go for hypertrophy and small muscle stimulation rather than strength. My BP was a bit high I could see my veins popping on my temples and a light headache during my workout. Legs are starting to feel somewhat better, still cant walk but at least its not as painful.
 
Day 19: Shoulder/triceps
Seated Shoulder press: 50x12 3sets
One arm upright row: 50x12 3 sets
Standing short grip shoulder press: 70x12 80x12 x12
Cable rope tricep ext: 52.5x12 57.5x10 57.5x8 57.5x7
Superset burn:
one arm tricep cable extension
One arm cable side raise

Currently at a hotel so I did what i could with the weights they provided. My leg is still not better but I have a bit more range of motion. Im getting more vascular in my arms in spite of having less definition in my abs. The BP issue went down.
 
Day 22: Back/Bicep/Traps
Weighted Chin ups 45x8 80x6 80x5 80x5
Barbell bent over rows 155x12 175x9 185x10 195x8
Squat rack Deadlift(no legs) 245X9 265x7 265x8
Rope upright row 150x8 170x8
Bicep dumbbell curl 30x15 35x12 40x8 40x7 40x8
Rear delt/bicep version upright dbell row 40x8 45x10 50x10

Felt great! My legs is getting better and my shoulders and traps ate still looking fuller. Theres a different feeling inbetween reps as if my muscles rather stop from pain n not tiredness.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Lol those squat rack dead lifts are called rack pulls. Good to see your legs finally healing.
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Good to know haha, I definitely know like less than 20% of the actual name o the lifts I do. And thanks now I hope I can get these bitches back in the gym to make up for the lost time.
 
Day 23: Chest/Shoulder/Triceps
Flat bench:185x8 205x10 215x8 215x7
Incline Bench (slightly shorter grip):185x5 185x6 185x7
Barbell shoulder press short grip:135x6 135x7 135x7
Cable crossover: 60x8 slow reps x3
Rope tricep cable ext overhead: 110x19 120x12 130x9 130x9

Changed up the order and got a really different feeling after training. My chest felt almost too pumped I was having trouble sitting my arms comfortably in front of me (not sure if bad or not). My right shoulder joint was a little sore during the training im probably gonna have to deload next time if its still the same.
 
Day 24: Abs/calfs
Decline crunches x20 4 sets
Parallel bars leg raise x20 4 sets
Standing dbell obliques 50x20 60x15 70x12 70x12
Calf raises 45x burn 4 sets
Supermans (lower back) xburn 3sets

Went in thinking i could do some low weights squats...never been so wrong. My vastus lateralis has no elasticity and is still painfull under stress.
Decided to do some abs to help whenever I do go back to squats.
 
Good job bro.
How are the calories coming? You eating enough?
And getting solid work done in the gym?
You are on a big cycle bro, make it happen!
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Good job bro.
How are the calories coming? You eating enough?
And getting solid work done in the gym?
You are on a big cycle bro, make it happen!
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Since I havent been able to train legs at all i didnt up my cals as far as I originally intended. Ive been doing around 3500cal on workout days and 3000 on rest days with over 300g of protein a day. Im going for more of a lean bulk/strength gains now since its gonna be a rather short cycle. Work in the gym is solid, making progress every time I step in the gym either weight or reps.
 
hazard12 said:
Since I havent been able to train legs at all i didnt up my cals as far as I originally intended. Ive been doing around 3500cal on workout days and 3000 on rest days with over 300g of protein a day. Im going for more of a lean bulk/strength gains now since its gonna be a rather short cycle. Work in the gym is solid, making progress every time I step in the gym either weight or reps.
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Good news. Keep kicking a$s bro
 
Day 26: Back/Bicep
Weighted chin ups: 45x10 80x6 80x6 80x6 45x7
Bent over Barbell rows: 155x10 175x10 195x9 195x9
Lat cross 150x9 160x6 160x8
Superset :
1. Upright row rear 45x12 50x12 50x12
2. Dbel shoulder fly 20x10 20x6 20x10
One arm bicep curls: 40x9 45x8

Great workout. However my left lat tendon is feeling strained so im probably gonna go for hypertrophy next time. Other than that doing good the pump on my shoulders and traps was just entertaining to say the least.

Ive been giving it some serious thought and I might go for another 4 weeks of cjc-1295 during my PCT to maintain these gains and help some of the tendon damage im probably gonna build up during the rest of the cycle.
 
Day 28: Rest

Finished my last cap of M-sten and started to up the dose of Epi to 50mg/day. Tomorrow im adding the 50mg anavar/day PW during workout days. My urine is looking darker today but im attributing it to my reduced water intake yesterday, ill be upping it today and see how it goes. Also today i developed a mild cold which i hope gets better by tomorrow since I need to hit chest.

So far my review on msten is very positive, wasnt ridiculous explosive gains but a pretty consistent strength and muscle gains. My shoulders really popped up during these past 4 weeks and hopefully the epi and anavar turn out even better. My last cycle had a 40/day epi dose ad yield me some pretty good results.
 
2 Questions real quick for anyone following my log.
1. Ive been forced to eat a lot of junk food lately (IE pizza) but im still managing to keep my macros and calories in the proper ranges through protein shakes. If im adding fish oils and multivitamins am I hindering gains? Im obviously planning to change this as soon as possible but for the mean time im stuck with this.
2. Today I still woke up sick (stuffy nose, sore throat, some body aches). I rested the past 2 days and im supposed to hit the gym today, should I just wait untill tomorrow or try to work out anyways?
 
hazard12 said:
2 Questions real quick for anyone following my log.
1. Ive been forced to eat a lot of junk food lately (IE pizza) but im still managing to keep my macros and calories in the proper ranges through protein shakes. If im adding fish oils and multivitamins am I hindering gains? Im obviously planning to change this as soon as possible but for the mean time im stuck with this.
2. Today I still woke up sick (stuffy nose, sore throat, some body aches). I rested the past 2 days and im supposed to hit the gym today, should I just wait untill tomorrow or try to work out anyways?
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Junk food just means that your going to gain a bit more fat than you would like. I mean do you think power lifters eat healthy all the time? Look at Ct fletcher in his younger day, he ate at McDonald's every day. And I mean every day. So I doubt it would hinder muscle growth a great deal. I twain when I'm sick even when I know I shouldn't so I shouldn't really comment lol
 
Yeah, i decided to wait on it. My right rotator cuff is hurting on some angles so I guess the prudent thing to do is wait.
 
Day 30: Chest/Shoulder/Triceps
Bench press short grip: 135x12 155x12 175x9
Bench press:175x8 175x9 175x9
Incline bench press:135x12 155x10 175x8 155x9
Decline bench short grip: 155x7 155x7
Military press: 95x9 95x10 95x8
Rope tricep overhead: 100x15 110x13 110x12
Machine side raises 70xburn 4sets

Deloaded a bit to prevent any further joint problems and ramped up the volume and intensity. Completed all these sets in about the same time as usual.
I did feel some stregth loss however from the sickness and maybe from being off msten. I am now running anavar50/day and Epi 50/day.
 
Note:
Damn was that volume effective, I havent been this sore in a while. Also glad I ate over 4k calories yesterday. This however was prompted by the fact that I weighted myself yesterday to 178lb which means either my water weight is fluctuating like crazy or I managed to do some cutting over the past 4 days of no training. I do seem slightly more cut in the mirror when I flex abs which is cool.
Other than that there isnt much to report, so far in this cycle ive had no issues with anything related to the compounds im taking, its all been shenanigans with the PIP and now a cold. On the plus side my hunger is going kind of rampant. Im trying to keep a grip on it by eating as healthy as possible but I could easily go way beyond 4k calories a day if I wanted to.
 
Day 32: Abs/Quads
Body squats
Several different abs exercises for lower/upper/obliques
Stretching exercises

Couldn't get to the gym today so I decided to make this my leg rehab day and save hamstrings for deadlifting when I do back. My range of motion is almost back to where it was initially however my quad tendons have some stiffness and pain when stretching with loads. Hopefully I will be able to dead lift properly tomorrow. I also foam rolled my legs to speed up the healing n whatnot.

As of right now my right rotator cuff is still tender which Im hoping wont interfere with my next back day. Other than that Im keeping my cal intake at around 3800 in spite of my hunger. This might come in handy once I have my 3 day rotation in place since upping calories wont be a problem.
 
Day 33: Back/Bicep
Superset:
1.Chin ups 200x8 200x8 200x7
2.Behind the neck Lat pulldown 150x6 150x5 150x4

Dbell row: 80x10 80x10 80x8
Bent over bbell row 155x11 155x10 155x11
Lat cross 110x13 110x10 110x10
Standing dbell curls 35x13 35x12
Shoulder side raises 15x13 3 sets

Deloaded for back aswell. I felt really weird at the gym kind of tired/ wrong mood. All my tendons felt really tight which I think happened cause it was a particularly cold day.
 
Day 37: Leg/abs
Deadlift 255x12 255x9
Leg press 6 plates x12 slow reps 4 sets
Leg extension 115x9 slow 4 sets
Obliques 50x12 60x12 60x12 60x12
Squat rack calfs 185x12 255x10 255x12 255x12
Crunchesx burn 4 sets

I went in with the legs. My strength was fine but my lower back gave out after 2 sets of deadlifts. At this point my tendons and joints are feeling pretty fragile im guessing from the estrogen bolcking effect of epistane. I might get some DHEA to try to fix it.
 
My pecs tendons feel stiff even though its been reating for a while. How should i figure if its good to go?
 
Day 38: Chest/Shoulder/Tricep
Cable cross over: 60lbx12 slow reps 4 sets
Incline press: 85lbx10 slow reps 4 sets
Standing barbell shoulder press: 115x8 3 sets
Seated dbell shoulder press: 50x8 3 sets
Cable tricep overhead extension: 120x15 3 sets
Machine lateral raises: 70xburn 4 sets
Triangle cable tricep extension: 170x12 3 sets

I barely could do any chest, my left pec tendon, the one inserting into my shoulder felt really stiff and painful when applying force (really weird to me since last chest workout went just fine). Also my body in general feels really bad whenever I hit the gym lately. Its a lot like all my tendons are getting really stressed and not healing properly even though I haven't pushed the weight that hard at all.
Im considering lowering the epi dose and adding something else until i finish the 8 week period. Anyone know of a compound that would kick in quick to make it worth it and would help in this particular situation (with the tendons and all). I was considering LMG or trest but Im not sure if they kick in fast enough.
 
Note:
Even though many things arent going too well one thing is...my libido. I find myself attracted to almost any girl in my school (i know its just me trynna get it in tho). I even started talking to an ex ****buddy that i completely stopped talking to ( she cray cray). Oh well theres only one thing to do about it...
 
hazard12 said:
Day 38: Chest/Shoulder/Tricep
Cable cross over: 60lbx12 slow reps 4 sets
Incline press: 85lbx10 slow reps 4 sets
Standing barbell shoulder press: 115x8 3 sets
Seated dbell shoulder press: 50x8 3 sets
Cable tricep overhead extension: 120x15 3 sets
Machine lateral raises: 70xburn 4 sets
Triangle cable tricep extension: 170x12 3 sets

I barely could do any chest, my left pec tendon, the one inserting into my shoulder felt really stiff and painful when applying force (really weird to me since last chest workout went just fine). Also my body in general feels really bad whenever I hit the gym lately. Its a lot like all my tendons are getting really stressed and not healing properly even though I haven't pushed the weight that hard at all.
Im considering lowering the epi dose and adding something else until i finish the 8 week period. Anyone know of a compound that would kick in quick to make it worth it and would help in this particular situation (with the tendons and all). I was considering LMG or trest but Im not sure if they kick in fast enough.
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Epi is drying your joints out. If you want to run epi it's one of the things you have to live with. Not much you can do about it really other than take something like Achilles, along with fish oils etc etc
 
Day 41: Back/Bicep
Lat cross :130x12 145x9 160x8 160x7 160x7
One arm lat pulldown:
125x7 125x7 125x8
Lat pulldown slow reps
150x8 150x6
Bbell Upright row: 85x15 4 sets
Z bar preacher curl: 75x10 x11 x9

Megaset:
One arm upright row: 35x10
Side raises: 15x20
Shrugs: 50x15
Dbell upright rows 40x8

Great workout. My arms/back felt really strong and pumped. My joints are still having some troubles. My diet is paying off. Ive managed to see a very defined recomp in my physique. Ive gotten a bit leaner while putting on some good thickness, especially in my shoulders/arms section.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Good update, I am glad it is working out for you.
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Thanks bro. Theres definitely a bunch of things that arent going as planned and will definitely take into consideration for future cycles, namely:
1. If i ever do get my hands on another source of gear ill test it 2 weeks prior to the beggining of my cycle for retarded pip.
2. When running epi, ill stack it with a wet compound (been thinking trest) and not go beyond 40mg epi/day (ran that before and had no joint issues).
3. Run M-sten again and take full advantage by making sure I can do legs during that period. (so far i can say i loved m-sten).
4. Repair my joints thoroughly before starting since every little tendon/joint issue i previously had was worsened by the cycle training.
5. Stick to cycle support (no problems at all with liver/bp/livido/etc..).
6. Make sure my living situation is more stable (in the middle of moving and stuff which has cause my diet to include a lot of less than optimal foods like pizza).
 
Day 44: Legs/abs
Squats 125x15 2 sets
Leg press 4platesx12 6x12 8x12 10x10 10x10
Leg extension slow reps 100x12 115x10 130x10 130x10
Standing dbell obliques 50x12 60x12 60x12 60x12
Deadlift 125x12 2 sets
Squat rack calf raise 125x25
215x15 215x20 215x20
Crunches burnx3 sets

Legs are getting better. My lower back is still struggling.

Keeping my cals at around 3200 on rest days and 3500 on workout days. Its giving me a nice recomp effect. Always getting 300g+ protein a day.
 
Day 45: Chest/shoulder/triceps
Decline Bench:135x15 2 sets 185x12 205x9 205x9 205x6
Incline bench : 155x8 185x10 185x8
185x8
Dbell Shoulder press: 50x16 60x9
Machine side raises 50xburn 4 sets
Cable overhead Triceps extension: 110x20 130x12 140x11 140x10

My chest felt fine untill the end when the tendon started to feel tight again. My right shoulder joint also felt really off which is why I stopped at 2 sets of shoulder lepress.

The recomp is going pretty well Ive managed to stay at 178ish while getting leaner. Still have about a week left and hopefully my tendons will let me get it done.
 
Note:
PCT inquiries:
I have CJC1295-dac 2mg x3 and ghrp-6 5mgx3 coming in a bit. I was wondering if i should run the peptides during my PCT with the clomid/torem, osta and DAA or wait untill after the PCT and run them with an OTC AI like erase and the DAA.
My goal for these peptides are to continue recomping my body and attempt to do some justice to my tendons/joints from the beating they are taking over my cycle. Im basically trying to figure out which way makes more sense.
 
Day 47: Back n Bicep
Bentover Bbell row 155x10 205x10 205x10 205x10
Lat pulldown 180x10 180x9 180x9 180x9
Lat cross 120x10 140x10 140x9
Dbell bicep curl 25x15 35x10 40x7 35x10 25x13

Pretty good workout, my joints weren't nearly as stiff as yesterday for some reason. I did pull something in my trap/neck are while doing Bentover Bbell rows. My muscles felt like cramping a lot which i think had to do with my neck. Other than that im up to 179 still recomping.
 
Day 51: Chest/Shoulder/Tricep
Dumbbell Bench press: 80x12 90x8 100x6 100x5
Incline press: 175x12 185x9 185x10 185x10
Dbell Shoulder press: 50x9 50x10 50x10
Reverse grip cable tricep extension: 150x16 170x10 170x10 170x10
Machine shoulder flies: 70xburn 4 sets
Triangle pushups: 1 burn set

Last chest workout on cycle. It felt good but my shoulders were bothering me a bit. My lower back is not doing all that well. Even for supporting purposes when im doing shoulder press i still feel some stabbing pain near the hip, not all that painful but definitely not ok. As of now Im waiting untill after I run all my PCT to run a peptides/RC cycle that I will also log.

I am pretty satisfied with the changes in my shoulders and triceps. However I am very annoyed with all the connective tissue problems ive had during this cycle and I plan to address these problems for future cycles. Pushing through every workout like you are an 80 year old with arthritis isnt my idea of fun.
 
Day 52: Legs/abs
Leg press: 7 platesx12 9x12 11x12 12x11 12x10
Leg extension slow reps: 130x10 145x10 160x10 160x9
Squat rack calf raises: 185x20 255x15 255x20 255x20
Obliques 40x25 50x20 45x20
Crunches 3 setsx burn

Decent workout. The gym was incredibly humid and hot. I sweat my entire pants literally.
This was my last leg day on cycle and frankly the whole injection issue ruined it for me. Yeah my legs got some thickness but i couldn't work on my squats/Deadlifts at all.
Sadly my lower back got worsened but im crossing my fingers that the peptide cycle coming up will help.
 
Day 54: Back/shoulder/Biceps
Chin ups: 25x12 50x8 75x6 50x7
Lat cross: 130x9 150x7 150x6 150x7
Bbell row: 135x12 155x12 155x12
Rear delt side raises: 20x10 2 sets
Dbell bicep curl: 30x14 35x9 40x8
Dbell upright row: 45x12 55x11 45x12
Machine side raises: 70xburn 2 set

Pretty good day at the gym. Last workout day on cycle. Im still taking the compounds untill sunday and start PCT this monday. As far as back/biceps goes in this cycle im very satisfied. My rear delts/arms got some good size and definition.

I weighted myself at 181lb. This is over 15 pounds above my initial weight and im pretty sure I also managed to cut some fat.
 
PCT Day1: Rest
Started PCT on sunday night. Took 100mg clomid and 120mg torem plus 12.5mg osta right before going to bed. Ive been taking DAA for a couple days now and will try to keep it at 3g/day.
Note: My god these liquid ancilliaries taste like ****. The torem is a blue milky solution that tastes like hell n leaves a worst aftertaste.
 
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