Team Juggernaut ft. Booneman77 - 3 months to Mass!

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  1. Day 1 is in the books and day 2 is under way...

    workout last night was shoulders with some accessory abs and calves. Nothing too hard, only intensity set/technique was an fst-7 type exercise to end the shoulder segement. 7 sets with short rest times to "finish".

    Food for the evening was very basic but enjoyable. chicken, basmati rice, broccoli, oats, and some greek yogurt were the bulk of my two evening meals. A few spices for taste.

    As mentioned, low carbs during the week has been the standard for me so the post workout bananas as well as the carbs with dinner and bed meals are certainly a new change for me. We will see how my body responds as this morning I definintely felt slightly more full/bloated than I normally do in the mornings. I will keep an eye on this over the week and through the day.

    Meal 1 is already in the books as well so I will see how long before I start to get hungry now...
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  2. Subbed. Hoping you will see some good improvements.
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  3. Subbed. Good luck man!

  4. I am excited for you bro. CJ is one hell of a coach! This should be good for you!
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  6. Workout number 2 in the books. Honestly these first week workouts are almost boring... the rest between the sets is far more than Iím used to/need and Iím not even breaking a sweat. Even going as hard as I can on every set itís just not a challenging layout. Really hoping these will evolve quickly as I cannot see this being good for body comp or condition either as the combo of a huge caloric jump paired with significantly less energy expenditure (no cardio, less difficult workouts both metabolically and intensity wise) seems like it will be just too much to be outweighed by the speed at which anyone can build muscle to increase energy output.

    As I said, I will follow the plan, but as of now, consider me skeptical until I see some ďrealĒ programming in terms of diet and training.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Brandinooooo View Post
    Tsk tsk....
    Please clean up inbox.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Workout number 2 in the books. Honestly these first week workouts are almost boring... the rest between the sets is far more than I’m used to/need and I’m not even breaking a sweat. Even going as hard as I can on every set it’s just not a challenging layout. Really hoping these will evolve quickly as I cannot see this being good for body comp or condition either as the combo of a huge caloric jump paired with significantly less energy expenditure (no cardio, less difficult workouts both metabolically and intensity wise) seems like it will be just too much to be outweighed by the speed at which anyone can build muscle to increase energy output.

    As I said, I will follow the plan, but as of now, consider me skeptical until I see some “real” programming in terms of diet and training.
    As long as you are giving this feedback to the coach that is doing your program he should adjust as needed, or explain the reasoning behind why it is so simple and easy right now. Could even be that your previous work was so intense that your first week is a deload of sorts. You never know if you don't ask why.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    As long as you are giving this feedback to the coach that is doing your program he should adjust as needed, or explain the reasoning behind why it is so simple and easy right now. Could even be that your previous work was so intense that your first week is a deload of sorts. You never know if you don't ask why.
    yep, have been conversing (I assume almost annoyingly often) on all aspects ha. I feel like I'm probably in the minority of clients who wants to know exactly why and has their own opinion on everything based on years of self-testing. I would guess most people who hire a coach do it so they don't have to ask questions and just follow directions
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    yep, have been conversing (I assume almost annoyingly often) on all aspects ha. I feel like I'm probably in the minority of clients who wants to know exactly why and has their own opinion on everything based on years of self-testing. I would guess most people who hire a coach do it so they don't have to ask questions and just follow directions
    I think many do that for sure. I also think that someone who wants to learn is a better client in a lot of ways. They tend to push you and make you assess your methods, and look at more variables. As long as the person will still follow the directions that is. When I was working with my last coach, he told me coaching me was more like a consultant than a coach because he valued my opinions and self awareness, as well as my knowledge. That he trusted my assessments and feedback more than the average client. Any time I felt like I didn't understand why we were doing something I insisted on an explanation as to why it was being done, and brought up any questions or concerns I had with the approach. We both ended up learning in that instance.

    Now those people who just blindly follow your directions with faith and discipline are few and far between but are pretty damn awesome so long as they can give good biofeedback.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I think many do that for sure. I also think that someone who wants to learn is a better client in a lot of ways. They tend to push you and make you assess your methods, and look at more variables. As long as the person will still follow the directions that is. When I was working with my last coach, he told me coaching me was more like a consultant than a coach because he valued my opinions and self awareness, as well as my knowledge. That he trusted my assessments and feedback more than the average client. Any time I felt like I didn't understand why we were doing something I insisted on an explanation as to why it was being done, and brought up any questions or concerns I had with the approach. We both ended up learning in that instance.

    Now those people who just blindly follow your directions with faith and discipline are few and far between but are pretty damn awesome so long as they can give good biofeedback.
    As a consultant, I totally get this... so true that the people who challenge you are really the best to work with as you develop yourself and your methods so much more than you would otherwise. I just feel annoying doing it to other people haha
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  12. You have not worked with a coach before, correct? It will be interesting to see how it works out.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    You have not worked with a coach before, correct? It will be interesting to see how it works out.
    Nope not at all... never even had a lifting partner haha.
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  14. In!
    "In this world, empires rise and fall. Ages come and go. The only thing that's certain: Everything will someday die."

  15. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Nope not at all... never even had a lifting partner haha.
    Nice, I haven’t had one in a couple years now and I honestly miss it a ton. Me and my bestfriend lifted together for year and then life just started getting in the way.

  16. Tonight's chest/tri workout was actually reasonably tough (at least the chest portion). Volume was a good bit higher than the others and more compound lifts made it tougher for sure. I'd like to see more days like this one

    Everything was a bit later today so I'm really downing some pretty serious food this evening, mostly in one big sitting. post workout-dinner-pre bed all within about a 3 hour window (8-11p)... cals today are also a bit higher than the last 2 as I cahnged my meat source at dinner which added some cals.

    One note is that the diet plans are simply food lists so far. No calorie or macro counts which is odd as some of the reccomendations are things like: 10oz chicken, fish, or beef... which is odd since the caloric content of lean chicken can be dramatically (300+) different from the same volume of beef... I will be discussing this with my coach this week to see how he wants to manage this as I think this is a huge flaw long term that could lead to hundreds of calories DAILY being over or under the actual plan.
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  17. I was going to ask about that, do they give you exact meal information a week or so in advance, it would be inefficient to go shopping multiple times a week to pick up a change in meal plans throughout the week.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    I was going to ask about that, do they give you exact meal information a week or so in advance, it would be inefficient to go shopping multiple times a week to pick up a change in meal plans throughout the week.
    from what I understand, updates will be coming each sunday (we send pics and weigh in on saturdays) to both training and diet as needed. i travel every week anyways so I shop daily anyhow ha. I love grocery store browsing
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Tonight's chest/tri workout was actually reasonably tough (at least the chest portion). Volume was a good bit higher than the others and more compound lifts made it tougher for sure. I'd like to see more days like this one

    Everything was a bit later today so I'm really downing some pretty serious food this evening, mostly in one big sitting. post workout-dinner-pre bed all within about a 3 hour window (8-11p)... cals today are also a bit higher than the last 2 as I cahnged my meat source at dinner which added some cals.

    One note is that the diet plans are simply food lists so far. No calorie or macro counts which is odd as some of the reccomendations are things like: 10oz chicken, fish, or beef... which is odd since the caloric content of lean chicken can be dramatically (300+) different from the same volume of beef... I will be discussing this with my coach this week to see how he wants to manage this as I think this is a huge flaw long term that could lead to hundreds of calories DAILY being over or under the actual plan.
    The beauty of this plan is that with carb backloading you don't need to count macros the same way. The two GLUT4 types handle the caloric differences.

    Macro count is over rated IMHO and doesn't need to be managed. Timing is way more important than count IMHO
    Nothing I say is medical advice and supplements only enhance and optimize your diet and exercise check with a medical professional before starting any program.
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  20. Mike israetel lists from important to LEAST important.

    Calories
    Macros
    Nutrient timing

    Iím going to side with his opinion.
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  21. I'd put it this way:

    Timing
    Macros
    Calories
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Eric Mar View Post
    The beauty of this plan is that with carb backloading you don't need to count macros the same way. The two GLUT4 types handle the caloric differences.

    Macro count is over rated IMHO and doesn't need to be managed. Timing is way more important than count IMHO
    yeah im going to 100% disagree on the "dont need to count"... I've done plenty of backloading as well as always eat most of my food post workout/evening time... I can make dramatic differences in body comp in short time spans by raising and lowering total calories OR macro content... to say they dont matter is to say that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply, which is just ignorant

    calories are far and away the #1 factor IMO.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Eric Mar View Post
    The beauty of this plan is that with carb backloading you don't need to count macros the same way. The two GLUT4 types handle the caloric differences.

    Macro count is over rated IMHO and doesn't need to be managed. Timing is way more important than count IMHO
    That is interesting but John Keifer the creator of carb-backloading 100% disagrees with you, and says that it is that misconception that causes people to have sub par experiences with Carb Backloading. That all of the rules of calories in verses calories out still apply. The macros and timing are like tweaks man... they can marginally improve the results of the caloric balance but that is all, marginal through various hormonal changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Mar View Post
    I'd put it this way:

    Timing
    Macros
    Calories
    You would be way off... more realisitic is along the lines of Calories 80%, Macros 10, Timing 10%. I have seen a few charts that all echo relatively the same sentiment but add in meal frequency giving Timing and Frequency both 5%. I am also a certified nutrition coach and that just doesn't make any sense man. Sorry the science just doesn't back that theory up.

    To say that macros or timing are more important than calories is like saying that having 93 octane gas is more important than having gas in the tank at all... That's just wrong... the car will run with 87, 91 or 93 octane at various levels of efficency, but not without the gas itself.... think about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    yeah im going to 100% disagree on the "dont need to count"... I've done plenty of backloading as well as always eat most of my food post workout/evening time... I can make dramatic differences in body comp in short time spans by raising and lowering total calories OR macro content... to say they dont matter is to say that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply, which is just ignorant

    calories are far and away the #1 factor IMO.

    Yes and it has been scientifically proven as such... @Eric Mar, are you one of the coaches over there or a rep for the M&M store / forum? If a rep you might want to get the coaches to buy into what you are saying in these logs before posting up wrong information. Otherwise people think that this is the type of information they can expect with the training.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Eric Mar View Post
    I'd put it this way:

    Timing
    Macros
    Calories
    Is this just your opinion or is it also shared by Carl.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by SilentSavage0523 View Post
    Is this just your opinion or is it also shared by Carl.
    GREAT question!!!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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