Tomhawk Is Eating His Cake And Having It Too (CBL)
- 04-23-2012, 12:56 AM
- 04-23-2012, 01:17 AM
I'm in for cake! "Everybody loves cake!" "You know what else everybody loves? Parfait! You ever ask somebody, 'Hey you want some parfait?' and they say 'Hell naw I don't want no parfait!', parfaits are delicious!"
- 04-23-2012, 01:24 AM
Last week's cheat day one of my meals was an entire pizza. OM NOM NOM.TWITTER.COM/DJBEANPOLE
04-23-2012, 02:02 AM
04-23-2012, 02:28 AM
Lets play when would Tom eat that! I will go through DJBP's cheat day and say when I would eat what he had with reference to my diet.
Mexican skillet: before training, but it would be without the potatoes and have more fat added possibly.
2 pancakes: definitely after training. If ate like described in his post it could also be post workout.
Wendy's bacon burger dexule: never... but I would make my own bacon burger. With bun it would be post workout. Without the bun it would be pretraining.
Wendy's fries: post training with a frosty
Coke: never, I just dont like sodas
Red bull: rarely, if I was out drinking which like I said is rare
Butterfinger: never, had a bad experience with one of these when I was growing up. I wore some retainer type thing and it pulled the bracket off while I was in NYC.
Beer: after training but I dont drink too much these days. Only been drunk twice these year and both were within a week of the New Year. Both times were related to a girl the same girl in fact.
Chicken breast: any time
Garlic bread: post workout with some spaghetti
Green beans: pre training with some coconut oil
Salad: pre training with some oil and a little bit of chicken
garlic potatoes: post training, but I would love some mashed potatoes haha.
Cheesecake: post training for sure. In face I am thinking that will be part of my first carb back load. It was the most tempting thing this weekend.
Chocolate covered oreas: unlikely but if done post workout
Honey dipped chicke fingers: unlike as I dont really seeing it fit clearly in either category, but if I had to say post training.
(wow that took a little longer than I thought it would haha.)
I recorded a video of myself TRYING to pose on webcam about a month ago. No way in hell am I posting it or showing anyone haha. But I thinking I will do it again. More than likely I will do 1 or 2 before I carb backload on Wednesday or Thursday. Then I will do one again on Friday when I have carbed back up. Wednesday is the day I am supposed to carb back load, but it is also just a core workout. Figure I can stand another day. I honestly feel like I have leaned up well this month. Lately my jeans are starting to feel loose.
04-23-2012, 02:35 AM
Moral of the story: Pizza is ****ing amazing.
04-23-2012, 02:38 AM
Bro you have to look up layne norton cheesecake! Made my first one yesterday, 10g carb, 4 fat and 19 protein and it tastes as good as real cheesecake! Ive been eatin it like crazy!
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04-23-2012, 02:46 AM
I dont smoke, but I will smoke hookah for free haha.
In the future I will just be saying CBL. Not my diet because I didnt create this. Plus it doesnt feel much like a diet to me.
04-23-2012, 02:48 AM
04-23-2012, 02:51 AM
In for this, a little late but I'm here. I'm also working towards a 3x BW deadlift, which I'm hoping to do sometime in May.
04-23-2012, 03:33 AM
Depending on how I feel I may try and deadlift 550 on Tuesday. There is a good chance I will be feeling like crap. It will be day 10 of ULTRA low carbs. Would be pretty cool to pull 550 plus while all depleted. SHOULD be fairly light after this preparation phase. The amount of weight I lose during this helps me determine how many carbs I should start with during my CBLs. Then I can adjust it from there.
04-23-2012, 03:55 AM
04-23-2012, 04:02 AM
I am doing 10 days, but honestly dont expect to loose all that much weight. I havent checked the same scale again, but I have used another one and it isnt indicating much change. Carbs are going to be so heavenly haha. To be honest I dont know how I am still up right now.
04-23-2012, 11:38 AM
Ok just read the last 3 pages. Good stuff can you shine a little more light on this diet. I have read a couple small articles on carb back loading but nothing with specifics. Can you recommend a resource to get the information from?
Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
04-23-2012, 12:21 PM
Also I am always open to trying to answer questions. Forces me to dive back into the book and think more.
Oh and good to see you in here Kleen.
04-23-2012, 12:24 PM
Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
04-23-2012, 12:36 PM
04-23-2012, 12:44 PM
Definitely going to look into this. I am a big fan of lean gains and it works wonders for me, but I'm always down to try new protocols.Originally Posted by Tomahawk88
04-23-2012, 12:46 PM
04-23-2012, 01:10 PM
Similar to anabolic diet where you light eat throughout the day and it is low carb. But instead of carb refeed days of the week they are basically daily.
04-23-2012, 07:20 PM
Was about to eat and post up my workout. Sister called and needs some help with her car.
It was the 1st time I ran through this particular workout so getting the weight right was basically guessing. I will give a little teaser and tell you I checked my weight after my workout. I started this last Sunday(4/15) at 233. In the book it estimates 60% of this 10 day weight loss is water and the rest is fat.
04-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Alright had to change my sister's tire.
Today was shoulders and triceps
0 Chest stretch warm up 2 sets of 30 seconds
0 DB side laterals warm up 2 sets 10 reps
1 Seated military press ELECT 5 sets of 3 reps
1 Cable upright rows ELECT 5 sets of 3 reps
5 to 14 going up 1 each time. Obiviously we underestimated ourselves haha. Next time will start at like 6 and do jumps of 2 instead of 1.
2 DB side laterals normal 2 sets 8 reps
Floor press ELECT 5 sets of 3 reps
135 to 215 going up by 10 pounds each set. Probably just make bigger jumps next time
Dips normal 2 sets 10 reps
10*10, 20*10 I know pretty weak, but I didnt want to rush into too quickly. Havent been doing dips at all. I tend to get better at them pretty quick.
Standing DB curls normal 2 sets of 10 reps
Any questions about the work speak up. To be honest the numbers dont seem to be down. So I dont think I am losing muscle. Felt like my muscles and verins were showing more than usual. Just a few more days and the carb frenzy will begin.
After my workout I checked my weight. It was 233 at the start, but this was in the afternoon. Wasnt super fed but drink was present. Today after my workout I was 228.8. That is a difference of 4.2 pounds. With that kind of weight loss the suggested carb back load is 386 grams of carbs. I sure hope I lose some more weight haha.
Alright after that there surely has to be some questions haha.
Also despite this diet my libido seems to be up.
04-24-2012, 01:18 PM
What is the formula to figure out how much of a backload you need is it 1.5 times your body weight or something.
Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
04-24-2012, 01:42 PM
For my current prep phase weight loss(4.25) my carb back load would be estimated at 386 grams of carbs. With each 0.25 pounds lost it is about 23 grams of carbs. If I just went by bodyweight it would be 798 grams of carbs for my carb back load haha. That is a big difference if you ask me. But this is just a starting point. Ultimately you will change your carb back load by how you feel and look.
The carb back loads are no joke as you can see.
04-24-2012, 01:53 PM
Yeah looks pretty intense. I was about to try to hop on this with you to see if I could run along side you but I think I am going to watch you and see how things go. Especially since this is geared toward people who lift later in the day. if it works like I expect it too I may very well give it a shot later. I understand there are those who mix the Lean Gains approach with this one. I am kind of curious how well that works with it.
Lots of similarities like the suggestion to have aminos and peptides post workout if you workout in the morning. If nothing else though I may adopt adding 1 scoop of casein to my post workout aminos which would basically get me all the way up to my fast breaker as far as protein still being digested. I may also keep my carbs lower all day then higher at the end. Just not as severe as what you mentioned in your PM.
04-24-2012, 02:03 PM
04-24-2012, 02:05 PM
It can be done with a lot less complexity. I watched a puffy 280 bodybuilder transform into a SHREDDED 230. Obviously he was doing some gear, but he hadnt looked that peeled and full before even while on gear. He didnt have the book and was just moderately following the principles of CBL.
They book helps a lot when it comes to people who dont have the ideal situation. Lots of ways to accomplish the goals which he goes into for the most part. At the end of the day it is still just a 240 page book. The forum has people willing to help.
Ya switching from Lean Gains to this would be easy. He has articles about Intermmittent Fasting on his blog. The gist of them is CBL is more muscle sparing.
Probably be a good idea to do that. I am always willing to try and make suggestions so dont be afraid to ask.
04-24-2012, 02:18 PM
Realistically though I don't know that it would be more muscle sparing than LG considering that MOST people on LG who workout away from there fast breakers use Aminos to get the insulin spike and protein synthesis going immediately post workout and then add in 10 grams every two hours or so. His synopsis of Intermittent Fasting is really not exactly what lean gains is. He speaks of ADF and longer fasts as well as things like the Warrior, not a full on window of 16/8.
However on the same note with carbs being the controlling factor in the response then me doing as I mentioned and adding in some casein with my aminos post workout would cover that portion of the morning erasing the period he says muscle is not being grown. I mean both of them agree that muscle catabolism / wasting does not happen for 36-48 hours of extremely low calories so there should be no wasting. As I mentioned earlier I had already started doing a mini carb back load instinctively on my Burn Days by keeping carbs nice and low then having 50-100 grams of carbs with my last meal, not a ton but enough to make a difference in the following mornings workout. So I am going to see if this little concoction will work nicely for me.
04-24-2012, 03:02 PM
Basically I would say his opinion is that Carb Back Load is a more effective way of doing IF. But that is pretty much a given. I didnt quite get the results I wanted with Lean Gains, but it has helped me. The low carb portion of my day is a breeze. I just ate probably about 7-8oz of lean ground beef(97% lean) topped with a slice of full fat cheese plus 2 stalks of celery, and I honestly feel quite full.
A big difference is less concern about calorie intake. That doesnt mean you can go a thousand calories over/under though. More weight is put into how one feels. His diet and routine both require one to be in tune with their body.
04-24-2012, 03:54 PM
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