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    Thumbs up Derailing the Epistane Train


    Alrighty I've been off PCT long enough to stop posting in that other thread.
    As of this writing I'm 173.8 @ 11.4% (believe that or not, I promise I'm not accurate with the calipers) However, even though I am inaccurate the number now is less than when I measured back in December so that's good news in my book.

    I'm running this for the next few months and posting up whatever here:
    Whey, Casein
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    NO Shotgun

    I plan to run a 3 day split at night, and whenever I can get my lazy butt up in the morning, do abs / light treadmill work. Might also throw in calves since they are one of those muscles that love to have the crap worked out of them.

    I'll take some more measurements in a sec and post them up.

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    165.8 @ 17.3% caliper -> 173.8 @ 11.4% caliper
    Neck: 16" -> 15" (not sure what happened here)
    Upper arm bi/tri straight, not flex: 11" -> 12"
    Upper arm flexed: 13" -> 13.25"
    Lower arm (forearm): 10" -> 10.5"
    Chest (beneath arms): 38" -> 38"
    Chest (around delts): 45.5" -> 49"
    Upper leg (quad / ham): 20.5" -> 22"
    Lower leg (calves): 13.5" -> 14"
    Waist: 33.5" -> 34"

    I want to see how much changes between now and possibly running something else in a few months. If it's significant, I'll save my $ for another time and just keep it natty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    In for the updates buddy.
    hey thanks for coming by!
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    Lost some neck fat I see.
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    yeah in a few months it'll probably read 10" neck 37" waist, this could get ugly
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuecker View Post
    yeah in a few months it'll probably read 10" neck 37" waist, this could get ugly
    A 10" neck would be a cause for concern.
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    well the roads are complete **** and that means i stayed home from work today. hope everyone else in this area is staying safe. im going to head out in about an hour which should be about the warmest part of the day, and the trucks should have assaulted .. err salted most of the roads and cleared off some more crap by then.
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    hey manny welcome, how have you been? how's pct treating ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuecker View Post
    hey manny welcome, how have you been? how's pct treating ya?

    Huh? PCT? I dont know what you are talking about, but all is well! How's the training coming along bro?
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    power was out yesterday, roads are getting ready to start icing again today, getting pretty frustrated i do not want an off week. im starting my monday tonight i dont care how long it takes me to get home afterward. im going to use the gym that's closest to work so that i can take the time for pre workout shake / stim while i'm at work instead of tonight. should get me some more free time tonight to make meals for tomorrow (breakfast, lunch whatever).
    i think i'll leave work about 4 and should be at the gym by 4:30 (maybe 4:15).

    got a couple nutra orders in that should keep me from buying anything for awhile except protein/wms/multi/omega3
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    It's in the upper 70's over here! Makes me want to go for a jog tonight. Hey man becareful out there, its pretty easy to lose control when the roads are icey. PCT is going well bro. So you ready to try the "ONE"? Looks interesting.
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    i was going to follow tl on a 1-andro cycle according to the AMS site (with decavol and 4ad) but this 2 bottles of love theone cycle looks pretty sweet. maybe use that pre summer instead of the 1-andro and save that for after summer. i think either one is a win, with the one being much easier on the wallet. will be interesting to compare the two.
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    the roads cleared up pretty well during the day, i think i'll be good to go for leaving early in the morning to hit the gym first thing. i have my boss going in early for me, so i have some room to play as well. tomorrow am should be cardio/abs, not sure how much ab work i'll do because i did some tonight. we'll see how i feel.

    this is my first time at this particular gym in about a year so i'll be getting used to the numbers i can use here. focus was on form, range of motion, and if i feel like either suffered i wont be increasing the weight used.

    1. db flyes
    20x10x4

    2. skull crusher
    30x10
    40x10
    30x10x2

    3. db pullover
    30x10
    40x10
    50x10
    30x10

    4. rope pulldown
    20x10
    25x10
    20x10
    25x10
    15x10

    5. pec deck
    30x10
    40x10
    80x10
    100x6

    6. inc db press
    20x10
    20x10
    30x10
    30x10

    7. weighted crunch
    30x10
    40x10
    50x10
    50x10
    40x10

    12x capt chair leg lifts

    treadmill to cool down ~10min taking hr from 130 down to 100


    pre-wo: no shotgun, 2 scoop scivation whey, 2 scoop WMS (~70g)
    post: 2x WMS, 2x scivation, 3x neovar

    i feel pretty awesome. im also glad i switched up gyms again, if i would have come home first like normal, i wouldnt have gone (gf stayed home sick). i'll judge tonight's success on tomorrow's pain!
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    Wow dude... talk about a shopping spree! Looks like fun!

    BTW - the usual way to list your lifts would be:

    SETS*REPS*WEIGHT

    If just one set, you leave it off. I almost crapped looking at your weights. Thought you were doing 50 reps of 10 on pullovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Wow dude... talk about a shopping spree! Looks like fun!

    BTW - the usual way to list your lifts would be:

    SETS*REPS*WEIGHT

    If just one set, you leave it off. I almost crapped looking at your weights. Thought you were doing 50 reps of 10 on pullovers.
    i was!!!! just kidding, thanks bro

    this morning was pretty good, got 30 minutes on the treadmill @ 130 heart rate, then jumped into the weighted ab machine and the torso rotation deal.

    crunches
    ---------
    10 reps x 30 lbs
    10x25
    10x20
    10x30
    10x30

    obliques, each side
    ------------------
    10 reps x 50 lbs
    10x70
    10x60
    10x65
    10x60

    this is pretty much how my mornings will go. it's after about 30 minutes of telling myself that my gf is not going to wake up (she works late) so there's no point in just sitting in bed unable to sleep for any respectable length of time. i also remembered last night that if i cant sleep, just toss in a movie. it's a lot easier than jumping around 1000 thoughts trying to sleep. i'll be using fight club for awhile, every time i see that movie i find a new perspective on it or find something else that i missed before.
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    I'm sleeping really well lately. Sleep ON cycle for me is awful.
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    i think the no shotgun around 5pm is what's doing it to me, except in the morning i dont feel awake for at least 1.5 hours, usually at the end of the treadmill. maybe just getting off that damn thing is what makes my day!
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    I have been sleeping well also lately. Been really busy lately, guess I am worn out by the end of the day to hit the sack.
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    tonight was back/bicep day. the gym was pretty packed and i had started out doing preacher curl on this precor equipment, but i think it's designed for short arm people because it felt nothing but awkward. everything else related to a pc was in use, no hard feelings though.

    lat pull down
    10x60
    10x100
    10x140
    10x110
    10x70

    bb curl
    10x20
    10x30
    10x30
    10x20

    seated cable row
    10x40
    10x70
    10x70
    10x70

    preacher curl
    10x10
    10x10 (trying to get a feel for this pos machine)
    10x45 **** it

    t bar row (not sure what the carrier weighs here, more than im used to though)
    10x90
    10x70
    10x45
    10x45

    bent over barbell row
    10x30
    10x30
    10x50
    10x50

    sdl
    10x135
    8x225
    3x245

    i might rest tomorrow, it's supposed to be a wednesday rest day, and i can pick up my friday on saturday im not too worried about that. then rest sun and then full on mon/tue thu/fri. depending how i feel next wed, will be a regular ab/cardio morning and off evening. probably use that time for haircut and other shat.

    next pm workout is a leg day. im sure by tomorrow after work i'll feel pretty damn good, so i'll plan to hit them anyway. depending how i feel in the morning i'll do abs/cardio.

    going to eat!!!!
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    took this morning off, probably shouldn't have. the only part of me that isn't sore is the ab area. im going to kick up the reps tomorrow morning. planning the leg day in a few, soon as i get a little bit of free time at work. arms are feeling pretty good, i definitely gave them a run for their money this week.
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    my biggest rant about yesterday's "back day" is that my forearms are worthless, that's what bothered me the most and kept my weight down on the tbar rows. same thing on deads, my grip is crap and while i have straps im too lazy to drag them through the gym with me. especially for 245 that's a little lame. so forearms, f**** you!
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    Pump is pretty funny dude.

    Wouldn't worry about the forearms too much. I'd worry about being too lazy to carry the straps though.
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    I agree with Timberlakers, pump is too funny man. So when you are not pumping does it say "pump is off". Hey man get you some gloves, they do about the same thing as straps.
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    Woah.. You're only 174 6'1. With those measurements you posted man I don't know if it's wise to be taking steroids just yet. You did an epistane cycle and are considering another cycle? Honestly man, I'm not trying to bash you, but I'm sure you could progress just fine if you trained naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    Woah.. You're only 174 6'1. With those measurements you posted man I don't know if it's wise to be taking steroids just yet. You did an epistane cycle and are considering another cycle? Honestly man, I'm not trying to bash you, but I'm sure you could progress just fine if you trained naturally.
    no worries, i agree with you 100%. i am also a hard headed SOB and enjoyed the accelerated results of the epi cycle. what im working on now is forcing myself to eat the way i did on cycle, and train the way i did on cycle, and see how it all pans out. this is one of the reasons im posting everything up here, no holds barred, this is me- i have a long way to go. ive also come a long way from 8 years solid @ 135 (a few years back now). thanks for your input bro, definitely appreciate it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuecker View Post
    no worries, i agree with you 100%. i am also a hard headed SOB and enjoyed the accelerated results of the epi cycle. what im working on now is forcing myself to eat the way i did on cycle, and train the way i did on cycle, and see how it all pans out. this is one of the reasons im posting everything up here, no holds barred, this is me- i have a long way to go. ive also come a long way from 8 years solid @ 135 (a few years back now). thanks for your input bro, definitely appreciate it!
    Thanks for taking that constructively. A lot of guys don't want to hear what what I told you and get extremely defensive.
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    haha yeah im in no shape to defend anything yet
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    ok another leg day, and i got my headaches again after leg press. im not sure if i'm just really not breathing right, or what. i mean i know i am, but maybe i'm over doing it, not sure.

    since this was in the salisbury gym, i had to start with new numbers. at least this place labels the weight of the carriages for the leg press, and they have a hack squat machine so im switching up squats for those.

    leg press (carriage is 118, already factored in)
    10x208
    8x298
    8x388
    8x478
    10x208

    leg curl (evil precor!@#@)
    10x10
    10x35
    10x35
    10x35

    calf raise (galileo machine, i have no idea what the number represents in weight)
    10x#4
    8x#6
    7x#5
    10x#4
    10x#3
    10x#3
    10x#2

    hack squat (carriage is 80lb)
    10x80
    10x80
    8x130
    8x170
    5x220
    8x170

    felt this one in my lower back. i'll probably keep these same weights until that feeling goes away.

    tomorrow AM is cardio/abs and shoulders tomorrow night. the nice thing about dedicating a day to shoulders is i get to play with all those cable weights and sh*t.

    and you guys are right about the straps, im wasting part of my back day without them for those tbar rows, and im sure i can get more out of my deads with them. forearms will catch up in due time, no need slowing down progress. i'll be carrying the straps around next back day. thanks all!
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    opted to rest this morning. i was wide awake at 2am and that's just too early to do anything, up again at 4 but still a bit too early. just enough to piss me off and reset the alarm for 6. i'll toss some abs in after shoulders tonight.

    good morning by the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I'm sleeping really well lately. Sleep ON cycle for me is awful.
    during epi i was actually feeling a lot better waking up in the morning. could have all been mental motivation for me, or other factors that i can't remember. i wonder how all the logs around here are going to look when we lose an hour this weekend
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    isolateral shoulder press machine of death (military press)
    10x20
    10x40
    10x40
    10x50
    10x50
    10x50
    10x40
    10x20

    upright rows
    10x20
    10x30
    10x40 (felt kind of ****ed up)
    10x30
    10x30
    10x20

    db press
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    10x20
    10x15
    10x1
    10x20

    front raise
    10x10
    10x15
    10x10
    10x15
    10x10
    12x20

    rear delt (Icarian)
    10x20 warmup (family has bad shoulder history)
    10x40 (good weight with the squeeze at the back)
    10x30
    10x20
    10x20

    weighted ab machine
    20x20
    20x20
    20x20
    20x30
    20x30
    12x40

    oblique crunch
    they have this weird machine here that im going to have to get used to
    5x10 (dont know the carriage weight)
    10xNo Extra Weight, left and right
    10xNo Extra Weight, left and right

    i think im really going to like that once i get going

    now it's a rest day until monday, it was a good week and probably a little harder than the rest due to shifting mon/tue to tue/wed and not resting wednesday. we'll see, i feel pretty good overall.

    the one came in today, very tiny. i think this might be the new ultimate first cycle for people, one bottle for cycle and one for pct. no 2.2 bottles (wtf!) of whatever + arcane concoction of ai/test booster/cort control.

    time to troll the other threads

    thanks for reading guys, have a great weekend!
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    oh one more thing, weight is at 175.8
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    weekend update, eating everything in sight! weather hit 70 today in the sun, spending most of the day outdoors!
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    didnt have time to post yesterdays numbers, i'll try to put them up with tonight's tomorrow. work's just been a little more hectic and that's about the only time i can get on here. i will be using the straps on tbar row and deadlifts tonight so hopefully that helps me reserve some strength for higher numbers. 275 is still my ceiling on DL.

    172 lb in the morning, 177 lb at the end of the day. go go gadget food!
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    monday chest/tri day

    db flyes
    10x25
    2x10x15
    2x10x20

    skull crusher
    5x10x30

    db pullover
    2x10x30
    3x10x40

    rope pulldown
    10x20
    2x10x25
    10x20
    10x25

    pec deck
    10xx30
    10x40
    10x80
    10x100

    inc db press
    10x20
    10x30
    10x25
    2x10x20

    weighted crunch
    2x20x30
    3x10x30
    2x10x40
    4x50
  

  
 

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