Derailing the Epistane Train

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  1. haha yeah im in no shape to defend anything yet


  2. ok another leg day, and i got my headaches again after leg press. im not sure if i'm just really not breathing right, or what. i mean i know i am, but maybe i'm over doing it, not sure.

    since this was in the salisbury gym, i had to start with new numbers. at least this place labels the weight of the carriages for the leg press, and they have a hack squat machine so im switching up squats for those.

    leg press (carriage is 118, already factored in)
    10x208
    8x298
    8x388
    8x478
    10x208

    leg curl (evil precor!@#@)
    10x10
    10x35
    10x35
    10x35

    calf raise (galileo machine, i have no idea what the number represents in weight)
    10x#4
    8x#6
    7x#5
    10x#4
    10x#3
    10x#3
    10x#2

    hack squat (carriage is 80lb)
    10x80
    10x80
    8x130
    8x170
    5x220
    8x170

    felt this one in my lower back. i'll probably keep these same weights until that feeling goes away.

    tomorrow AM is cardio/abs and shoulders tomorrow night. the nice thing about dedicating a day to shoulders is i get to play with all those cable weights and sh*t.

    and you guys are right about the straps, im wasting part of my back day without them for those tbar rows, and im sure i can get more out of my deads with them. forearms will catch up in due time, no need slowing down progress. i'll be carrying the straps around next back day. thanks all!
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  3. opted to rest this morning. i was wide awake at 2am and that's just too early to do anything, up again at 4 but still a bit too early. just enough to piss me off and reset the alarm for 6. i'll toss some abs in after shoulders tonight.

    good morning by the way!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I'm sleeping really well lately. Sleep ON cycle for me is awful.
    during epi i was actually feeling a lot better waking up in the morning. could have all been mental motivation for me, or other factors that i can't remember. i wonder how all the logs around here are going to look when we lose an hour this weekend

  5. isolateral shoulder press machine of death (military press)
    10x20
    10x40
    10x40
    10x50
    10x50
    10x50
    10x40
    10x20

    upright rows
    10x20
    10x30
    10x40 (felt kind of ****ed up)
    10x30
    10x30
    10x20

    db press
    10x15
    10x20
    10x15
    10x1
    10x20

    front raise
    10x10
    10x15
    10x10
    10x15
    10x10
    12x20

    rear delt (Icarian)
    10x20 warmup (family has bad shoulder history)
    10x40 (good weight with the squeeze at the back)
    10x30
    10x20
    10x20

    weighted ab machine
    20x20
    20x20
    20x20
    20x30
    20x30
    12x40

    oblique crunch
    they have this weird machine here that im going to have to get used to
    5x10 (dont know the carriage weight)
    10xNo Extra Weight, left and right
    10xNo Extra Weight, left and right

    i think im really going to like that once i get going

    now it's a rest day until monday, it was a good week and probably a little harder than the rest due to shifting mon/tue to tue/wed and not resting wednesday. we'll see, i feel pretty good overall.

    the one came in today, very tiny. i think this might be the new ultimate first cycle for people, one bottle for cycle and one for pct. no 2.2 bottles (wtf!) of whatever + arcane concoction of ai/test booster/cort control.

    time to troll the other threads

    thanks for reading guys, have a great weekend!
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  6. oh one more thing, weight is at 175.8

  7. Im in with ya bro

  8. weekend update, eating everything in sight! weather hit 70 today in the sun, spending most of the day outdoors!

  9. didnt have time to post yesterdays numbers, i'll try to put them up with tonight's tomorrow. work's just been a little more hectic and that's about the only time i can get on here. i will be using the straps on tbar row and deadlifts tonight so hopefully that helps me reserve some strength for higher numbers. 275 is still my ceiling on DL.

    172 lb in the morning, 177 lb at the end of the day. go go gadget food!

  10. monday chest/tri day

    db flyes
    10x25
    2x10x15
    2x10x20

    skull crusher
    5x10x30

    db pullover
    2x10x30
    3x10x40

    rope pulldown
    10x20
    2x10x25
    10x20
    10x25

    pec deck
    10xx30
    10x40
    10x80
    10x100

    inc db press
    10x20
    10x30
    10x25
    2x10x20

    weighted crunch
    2x20x30
    3x10x30
    2x10x40
    4x50

  11. tue back/bi day

    lat pulldown
    10x70
    10x100
    10x110
    2x10x120

    seated cable row
    10x40
    2x10x70
    2x10x85

    tbar row
    10x45
    7x90
    6x90
    2x10x45

    barbell row
    10x30
    3x10x50
    10x60

    bb curl
    2x10x20
    2x10x30
    10x40

    preacher curl
    10x10 left
    10x10 right
    10x25 left
    10x25 right
    10x45
    10x25
    3x70
    1x70

    sdl
    10x135
    2x225 (moved off of podium, dont like this thing)
    2x225
    5x245

    weighted crunch
    2x20x30
    10x30
    20x20
    10x50

  12. tomorrow is a rest day, hopefully i can recover from the time switch also. for some reason it has me really messed up, maybe it was the patron friday *shrug* feelin pretty good the 245 sdl are coming a lot easier, that's one reason i didnt want to mess around with the 225s so much. 135 is a good warm up. work is complete yarrrrrrr lately!

  13. Hey brotha how is everything comin along?

  14. today is my rest day, and i'm actually pretty pissed about it. i feel like ive been grounded or something. cant wait for tomorrow :P

  15. ended up with an unplanned rest day on thursday, but it allowed me to switch from PM gym to AM and went in this morning for leg day. I'll pick up shoulders tomorrow at my local gym, and be all rested up by monday morning where the intensity gets kicked the **** up!

    leg press
    10x208
    8x298
    8x388
    2x478, my left knee was bothering me on the outside. everything else felt ****ing great so i know i have a lot more in me. bumped fishoil to 9g/day from 6 yesterday. we'll see what this does.
    10x298 (felt really good and got one hell of a burn in this set)

    im almost wondering if my 478 pain is because the muscle around my left knee is not ready yet. i'll keep it easy and stay off the 478 for at least a week maybe more.

    leg curl
    10x25
    10x35
    10x25
    10x25
    10x25

    this weight has felt pretty good, im starting to finally notice something going on the back of my legs. cant wait to kick this up

    calf raise
    again with the galileo machine and numbered plates..
    10x5
    2x10x4
    10x3
    10x2

    im going to start these at 3 and depending on how it feels yank the reps up next week

    hack squat
    this is the reason i waited another day, my local gym does not have a hack squat machine and i feel that this is really helping my lower back out

    2x10x80
    8x130
    8x170
    5x220
    8x170

    weighted crunch
    3x20x30
    10x20
    10x20
    2x10x20
    lower back still bothering me. damn desk job. yarr.

    had pretty bad headache today after the first exercise. the no shotgun was dosed probably too close to workout time because that made me feel like crap almost the entire time and made it hard to eat up until about 2pm. it could just be that particular flavor though, it reminds me of a time i was sick as a kid throwing up mac and cheese. i have another kind at work i've been taking that i love, but i also dose that a lot further out when i hit this particular gym.

    im going to see if there's anything different i have to do with timing due to switching to a closer gym in the morning. everything feels pretty much on point, just a few oddball issues here and there.

    i like this place because they put the starting weight on the machines. so instead of thinking im leg pressing 360 i know it's 478.

    prepping the log for shoulders tomorrow and probably going to take it really easy this weekend except for moving some stuff around the house.

    tgif!

  16. Hey bro, your stats are looking good man. Keep up the good work. You mean you dont like Mac N Cheese? oh come on!! It's some good stuff especially when I was broke in college.

    Get some rest for Monday bro. We have a great task in front of us. I am stoked!

  17. Too much math man...

    I'd just keep track of the plates on the leg press. Even if the sled weights 100 some odd pounds - you're still laying on your back.

  18. just wanted to report that ive been having pretty badass dreams lately- like when taking powerfull except I havent had any PF in a long time. i think im actually doing something right in triggering gh! also, my AM weight has gone up 2 lbs to 174 since about 2 weeks ago.

  19. picked up some glucosomine / chondroitin today, we'll see how it helps the joints out as well. i can always crack my wrists just by turning them from side to side, if this makes that stop i'll be pretty damn happy

  20. still really beat from last week, ive been taking 3 hour naps when i get home from work and still sleeping 8 hours after that. i still eat as much as i can and try to hit 3000+ cal/day. i dont measure like i used to, i just eat basically 24x7 when im not sleeping or at the gym.

    i switched up to doing stronglift 5x5 routine this monday, and it has me in the gym mon/wed/fri doing much less than i'd like to be. however the program has been proven to increase strength, and that's what i'd like to continue to focus on. especially because after monday, my weaknesses are made very apparent to me in terms of back strength, forearm, etc. the inverted row taught me that, and those reverse crunches were much more brutal than 100 reps on the weighted ab crunch machine.

    what i dont like is the weights they want me to start out with, so the first week or 2 will be finding the right starting weight imo. im sure there's formulas and a bunch of other crap but it's likely based on something i also don't know yet.

    squat
    5x5x45
    im going to bump this up to 95 tomorrow

    bench
    5x5x45
    going to bump this up to 95 also (fri)
    threw in a set of 5x95 and 5x135

    inverted row
    3xFail
    based on the technical requirements, i only achieved one of these, chest to bar
    tried 12/10/7

    pushup
    3xFail
    25/15/13
    i failed to fail because my dumb ass was worried about getting to work on time

    reverse crunch, holding 44 lb counterweight
    12/12/12

    im going to take a little more time between sets and try to bump the weight up even more so that i can begin progressing at the 2.5lb per workout as the program outlines. after running this about 8 weeks i'll go back to just doing what i was doing and enjoying. hypertrophy is damn addicting!

  21. today was the 5x5 workout B

    squat
    5x5x95
    going to keep this weight and progress from here according to the program guidelines. felt really good, and i should be up to 270 in no time

    overhead press
    5x5x45
    this is my first time doing this with a barbell and i put it back so far like the youtube vids i almost fell backwards on my ass. going to try 65 next time

    deadlift
    5x225
    this is a good number for me, going to stick with this and adjust according to the program guidelines

    pullups
    3xfail
    sadly, these are really hard again for some reason. going back to putting the pullup bar in my doorway at work
    4/4/4

    prone bridges
    3x30 seconds
    um yeah!

    back to eating!

  22. good morning, today is monday and i woke up feeling like complete ****. moving gym to this evening. rain or shine, vomiting or not, im going in. it's only 45 minutes and will probably do me some good. i can definitely feel my arms catching up and soon my back/shoulders. i meant to get a weight reading when i woke up but just getting in to work was enough. i wish i would have realized back in the day that getting big wasnt about lifting weights but eating. and dont get me wrong i love eating, but god damn.

  23. goals for end of summer:
    5x5x225 squat
    5x5x185 bench
    5x315 deadlift

    2x185 squat is about my limit right now, with 135 being my present working weight
    5x5x115 is what im using on the bench to improve my form. it takes about that entire exercise to even feel warmed up, i hate my shoulders they are pieces of ****. 5x135 is pretty easy after that, probably have some more in me.

    pulled 5x245 dead on wednesday and it was extremely easy, however i still felt my form waiver slightly so im only going to bump it up to 255 or so next week.

    i really feel my lower back doing squats, and it doesnt hurt, it's like a pump and it feels awesome. very different than how my shoulders feel trying to hold myself together on a bench. yarr.

    when is the next talk like a pirate day anyway???

  24. favorite pre workout stim: 200mg caffeine tabs, no silly workout powder/stomach churning ****.

  25. finally picked up some chuck taylor's, going to welcome them to the jungle in about 8 hours. nite all!

  26. hey, stop hijacking my thread ****er!

    squat
    5x5x165
    i think i need to start warming these up, didnt feel right until about the 4th set. also started trying to come up faster, still controlled. definitely brings the intensity level up. and i can feel it. first set was pretty hard and i was like WTF man, but no probs.

    overhead press
    5x5x75
    much improved over last week, didnt hurt one bit. not sure if it's because i already wore the **** out of myself on drums before hand. definitely bumping to 85 next week.

    dead
    5x275
    kind of did these in a cramped space, but paid special attention to keeping the back straight, head up, and pulled them off. took a lot of intensity, but did them all without fail. going to shoot for 5x280 next week.

    pull up
    10/6/7
    *****.

    prone bridges
    3x30 sec
    *****.

    the nice thing about this stronglifts 5x5 program is i can feel it working my arms a LOT, and a lot more than i ever did with dumb bells or anything else. arms have almost felt constantly pumped (and remember, these are already lethal 13" bad boys). forearms are feeling it as well. since i started doing the inverted rows, it's been easier to focus on correcting posture and im very happy with those results.

    i felt like total and complete crap today, but as ive read here- go anyways, you may surprise yourself. glad i went, i would have respected myself less if i didnt.

    off to shower/eat/sleep and hopefully feel better soon.

    peace

  27. Quote Originally Posted by rbuecker View Post
    hey, stop hijacking my thread ****er!

    peace

  28. ego+1, was complimented on my shoulders at work today. all them pushups and overhead presses are starting to pay off

  29. yes they are! You are beast bro!!

  30. Hey, i'm a first time poster, and this is actually the first site ive ever joined, but i have a question it sounds like you guys might know about, idk how to start a new thread or topic or whatever if thats how you ask a question but someone let me know. Here is my question- I've been lifting all nat long enough and done enough research to want to start my first PH cycle, however, i want to do one of the most mild ones, with minimal cons, and decent pros in dry gains, so ive been told H-drol, Havoc, or Epistane. Anyway, i want to know which one would be best overall, and if milk thistle through and after and nolva or some good AI would be enough for PCT. I know some guys who did only one product for PCT that was supposed to have it all and it worked fine so i dont want to have to buy three to fice PCT supps if its not necessary ya know. But any feedback would be appreciated.
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