[BigCasino]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Disaccharides (most commonly seen sugars) digest differently in the body depending on which monosaccharides bonded, and in which manner. While table sugar and lactose are both disaccharides, they are not direct isomers, and thereby are digested much differently.

Milk, in my opinion, is too valuable of a dietary asset to be completely removed due to a mistaken assumption about its sugar content.

Would you agree that using Anabolic Pump throughout the day would be effective in offsetting some of the negative aspects of there being so much sugar in milk? Prevent fat gain, etc?

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by BigCasino

Would you agree that using Anabolic Pump throughout the day would be effective in offsetting some of the negative aspects of there being so much sugar in milk? Prevent fat gain, etc?

It would need to be accumulative to offset any potential storage; to my knowledge, Milk's digestion time is uncharacteristically long for a liquid: 4 hours, IIRC. As you said, though, if one was using Anabolic Pump for an extended period, and Insulin Sensitivity (via AMPk upregulation) was improved, it would most definitely help!

Further, keep in mind that Anabolic Pump, while commonly conceptualized as merely a glucose regulator, actually mitigates energy expenditure and transfer as a whole; this is the manner in which it 'recomposes' tissue - through ensuring efficiency vis-a-vis guiding your body to either glycolytic or oxidative manners of energy expenditure when necessary, by inducing lipolysis, preventing adipogenesis, as well as inhibiting triglyceride and fatty acid synthesis. So, it does not merely help with glucose-related issues, but dietary issues as a whole.

[Canadianguy]

Originally Posted by BigCasino

I know I will get **** for this, but I drink a gallon of milk a day, and I've been able to cut and bulk just fine....

Great for getting in calories / meal replacement, and protein!

The strongest I have ever been was when I was drinking over a gallon a day, so I don't care it comes from a cow, I eat cows, not people, so why would I be afraid of drinking their milk. Nutrients is nutrients.

BTW - Canada guy, if that is you in your avatar why the hell are you worried about the sugar in milk, obviously you have been able to get really lean with it so far!!

ah thanks BigCasino but that was me like 1 and half years ago. then i kind of fell off the wagon and partied too much. got back into serious training for about 7 months now and bulked up to 220lbs. that picture i think i was about 178lbs and could have lost more fat in my arms...i hold fat there and it pisses me off its the last to go.

my goal now is lose the "bulk fat" ill be around the same weight in that picture but leaner im hoping. plus the lighting was awesome in that room

i wanna do a level 1 entry show so well c what happens, i was told to shed some fat and see where i go from there.

time to start getting back on my other "vitamins"

edit: ah 1 more thing my diet now is alot more tight i think, in that picture i just wanted to c how ripped i can get and didnt really plan my diet too hard, just watchd what i ate, cut alot of carbs and ate most of my fat at night like im trying now, but im counting every macronutrient for this time around, i hope it works out for me.

[ShakesAllDay]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

unless you are 6 weeks out from competition, i'd say that the sugar in milk is irrelevant. and if you like milk but want less carbs look for this

That Calorie Countdown milk tastes like complete a$$, IMO.

[rolandajoint]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

unless you are 6 weeks out from competition, i'd say that the sugar in milk is irrelevant.

bingo. most realistic reply in this thread so far.

[Nightwanderer]

I go for this milk here. protein enriched, fish oil, ton of vitamin E, and tastes almost as good as whole milk to me.

http://www.smartbalance.com/MilkSkim.aspx

[Irish Cannon]

Originally Posted by Nightwanderer

I go for this milk here. protein enriched, fish oil, ton of vitamin E, and tastes almost as good as whole milk to me.

http://www.smartbalance.com/MilkSkim.aspx

Smart Balance makes milk?!!! I'm so getting some of that.

Shizzle.

[ShakesAllDay]

My wife threw off my nutrition planning a bit this week. She accidentally bought 2% instead of skim milk. 5g fat per cup adds up over the course of a day.

[MrKleen73]

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

My wife threw off my nutrition planning a bit this week. She accidentally bought 2% instead of skim milk. 5g fat per cup adds up over the course of a day.

OUCH! That equals out a lot of carb cutting to make up the difference in calories of you must. Just call it an impromptu refeed. Unless you are getting ready for a contest shouldn't hurt you too bad for a couple days. May even reset your metabolism for higher caloric intake and make you burn a lil faster once gone.

If not you can always correct it with lots of this

[ShakesAllDay]

Originally Posted by MrKleen73

OUCH! That equals out a lot of carb cutting to make up the difference in calories of you must. Just call it an impromptu refeed. Unless you are getting ready for a contest shouldn't hurt you too bad for a couple days. May even reset your metabolism for higher caloric intake and make you burn a lil faster once gone.

If not you can always correct it with lots of this

I track my intake with FitDay, so I'll adjust accordingly. I have zero problems with cutting carbs for more fat, or vise versa. As long as I get adequate protein, the other two usually fall where they may within my total calories for the day.

[mtruther]

I saw several lectures by a researcher out of Knoxville, Tennessee. He's found that consumption of calcium sets the body into lipolysis and out of lipogenesis and specifically that consumption of dairy products is superior to the consumption of calcium alone. There's something in milk that:

1) Spared muscle mass
2) Increases lipolysis

There was an upregulation of Uncoupling Protein 2 (UCP2) and an increase in body temperature observed in those on an increased calcium diet.

I think you'd be making a big mistake dropping milk entirely.

A surprising volume of scientific literature has cropped-up over the last several years that supports a surprising hypothesis: that dietary calcium, especially milk-source calcium, plays a big role in fat cell metabolism and bodyfat control. And not just any fat, but specifically trunk fat, which includes the abdominal fat that so many men struggle with, year after year. (And if you are affected, you know that it gets more difficult, year by year!)

In short, researchers have found that dietary calcium has an anti-fat, anti-obesity effect by suppressing active vitamin D action in adipocytes (fat cells). This results in increased fat-burning and decreased adipocyte fat synthesis. Very cool.

Dairy calcium (including low-fat milk products) is much more effective than other forms of calcium, which suggests that there is something in milk that promotes calcium absorption or retention.

The news on this front is getting better and better. Dr Michael Zemel and his group at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville have just released a study titled "Dairy augmentation of total and central fat loss in obese subjects". ("Central" refers to the trunk, or abdomen.) They found that, in subjects on calorie-restricted diets, modest increases in dietary calcium (in the form of yogurt) dramatically increased fat loss, while helping to preserve lean mass, relative to controls. Trunk fat loss (mostly abdominal) was increased by 81% in the yogurt calcium group, and the reduction in waist measurement was an astonishing 700% greater!

There's much more to tell about this, but for now just consider that the well-known fat-zapping and lean-mass-retaining effect of whey proteins (that you've read about here so often) may very well reflect the action of dairy proteins on calcium absorption and action. The bottom line for now is: Keep scarfing whey protein, pop some calcium, and stay tuned for more exciting details on the dairy/calcium/bodyfat connection.
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Zemel and colleagues (2004) performed a randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 32 obese adults. Participants followed a standard, high-calcium, or high-dairy diet where all three groups decreased consumption by 500 kcal per day (1).

Those on the standard diet lost 6.4 ± 2.5 % of their body weight, on the calcium diet lost 8.6 ± 1.1% of body weight (a 26% increase), and those on the high dairy diet lost 10.9 ± 1.6 % of body weight (a 70% increase) (1). In addition, fat loss from the trunk-region was 19.0± 7.9% of fat lost on the standard diet, 50.1±6.4% on the high calcium diet, and 66.2±3.0% on the high-dairy diet (1). Zemel concludes that dietary calcium and dairy products significantly helped weight loss after decrease in caloric intake while also increasing the percentage of fat lost from the trunk-area (1).

Also:

Effects of dietary calcium on adipocyte lipid metabolism and body weight regulation in energy-restricted aP2-agouti transgenic mice -- SHI et al. 15 (2): 291 -- The FASEB Journal

[MrBrightside]

I drink milk like it's my job. Always have, always will, and I'm usually always hovering around 8% bf.