- 03-25-2008, 02:21 PM
- 03-26-2008, 10:04 AM
- 03-26-2008, 10:12 AM
Ramp it up! Glad you like that shaking--some people dig it. I think clen is a great supp as long as you use it properly. Drink lots of water, and as I recall, it's best not to eat for at least 45 mins before or after using it. And don't worry, the shakes won't last forever!
03-26-2008, 10:14 AM
03-26-2008, 10:32 AM
03-27-2008, 03:32 AM
03-27-2008, 04:18 AM
Let us know how you progress and what results you get as far as fat loss goes and over what time frame.
03-27-2008, 06:19 PM
i bumped it up to 90 today. and the shakes are great!! i am responding well, drinking lots of water.
03-28-2008, 09:47 PM
i'm on 40mcgs, wicked shakes and jitters yesterday (my first dose), not so bad today, goin to sixty tomorrow,
other than that i'm also drinking a shiitton of water, thirsty alll day
what cardio r u doin?
Hows ur diet?
03-28-2008, 10:26 PM
03-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Going to 150 tomorrow, i have small shakes, not bad. Dont seem to be as hungry as usuall.
Any science/ ideaology of the dont eat within45min of dose?
I had an odd feeling in my neck today, above the traps where my tendons go into the skull kind of. They seemed to be tight, i never had this before, i attribute it to the clen.
03-29-2008, 01:31 AM
and yes taurine is like anti-cramp medicine i take 10g and alleviates any cramp or soreness within minutes...
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03-29-2008, 11:34 AM
03-29-2008, 03:52 PM
haha funny you mention that, went to 150 today and yea i got one or 2 of those, small quick ones. Glad to hear the neck things wasnt just me either. I dont notice any nausea if i dont eat, i waited an hour to see the other day if i felt a difference, oddly i was not intensly hungry like i usually am.
Today the shakes were a tad worse, not much. Keep things interesting. I walk around all day too. Tomorrow i am off everything, maybe some cardio. So i may try to hit 200mcg...
As far as it being neccessary...probably not, but go big or go home right? If you research Clen there alot of peopl who go as high as 200mcg as the top off and then take the few days off...So thats what im doing. This was basically 4-5 days to determine my standing with it. Im running a log soon so won be runnin it throguh that,.
03-29-2008, 04:05 PM
I think the neck tightness may possibly be a sign of elevated blood pressure. I cant prove it but thats what I attributed it to.
03-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Anything above 120mcgs is pushing it, since it is a pretty specific beta-2 agonist, at 120 or below, your heart should be ok, above that and u r risking the slight beta-1 stimulation to become greater and giving you similare sides to taking 3000grams of caffeine, not worth it in my opinion, go big or go home? yeah, hell yeah, but to me that means going to 120 or maybe, ...maybe 140. Be careful bro.
I'm on my third day, 60 mcgs, a lil shakes, bad foot, calf and forearm cramps, trying to keep up the water, and taurine/potassium/calcium. I am pretty sensitive to stims, 200mg of caffeine gives me a wicked headache, so I figure i will go to 80mcgs tomorrow, and maybe 100 mcgms the day after
Since the half-life of clen is so long, is t worth tapering down as well? I have heard different opinions, what do ya'll think.
03-29-2008, 07:40 PM
03-29-2008, 07:44 PM
I understand that this is serious. I meant the saying as a little fun.
I did not have to much tightness in the neck today. Not sure why so im unsure the reason. No headaches as of yet. Im not sensitive to stims but im not sure that clen even falls into that catergory...
Maybe ill just do 150 again, im not for sure yet. And with the long half life im sure 150 will do me well.
03-29-2008, 09:42 PM
03-29-2008, 11:00 PM
I personally se absolutely no reason to ramp down. Just doesnt really make any sense to me. The only reason you ramp up is to be able to tolerate the sides right?
03-30-2008, 04:39 PM
yeah ramping down is pointless to me. Currently at 100 mcgs, and loving it. Diet is clean right now, but in another week i will drop out carbs for the most part and being taking the clen upon waking, then hit cardio for 30 min then eat breakfast.
03-30-2008, 04:48 PM
03-30-2008, 04:49 PM
Yea. no need to ramp down. Only up like said above to check how you react.
I did 100 today. I had a smal cup of coffee this morn so dint want to push anything. I do have some shakes though. Not very hungry.
I notice when i strech now just randomly i cramp near immediatly if i go "to far"
03-30-2008, 04:58 PM
03-30-2008, 05:14 PM
04-01-2008, 04:06 AM
04-03-2008, 11:45 AM
04-03-2008, 12:30 PM
I am at 100mcg, I think I am gonna stick here tho, I think I could handle 120mcg, but 100 feels good, so I'm not gonna push it, shakes subsided big time, sleeping good too, still lots of water and cramping.
I hear that clen has some anabolic properties, anyone know through what pathway? Beta receptors???
I feel like I get a better mind/muscle connection now on clen then before, maybe because of the cramping you get a deeper contraction? Anybody else feel that too?
04-03-2008, 01:15 PM
04-03-2008, 01:58 PM
But i proved something....Clen aids in pumps big time, so it seems that way.
On my back/bi day, I got some nasty bi pumps and my lats felt sic.
I usually always take A kaizen product called Xtreme NO(i think) and Universal Nut. Storm...and that is a good combo. But i could tell on clen, it seems to help.
I havent been on for 2-3 days and it feels ok. Glad i droppe it cause yesterday my throat started to close up, body feeling weak/muscles sore, so i think i may be gettin a little sick. Hope it wasnt anything with the Clen...
04-03-2008, 03:00 PM
Dang, I will keep a close watch for those symptoms.
Storm is good shiit, I use also.
The mind/muscle connection I was talking about seems to be what your talking about. Wicked pumps and u really feel the target muscle.
I like this stuff so far.
04-03-2008, 09:48 PM
What would you say was the shelf life of Clenbuterol as far as the gel goes? I have a tub in my fridge that expired 12 months ago, but was told would be still good. I took up to 4ml (160mcg) of it and felt nothing. Is it possible for some people to feel very little in the way of it's effects, or does it go off? Clearly mine is useless, but can anyone elaborate?
04-03-2008, 09:52 PM
By the way, the gel is made by a company called "Vetsearch International" and is called "Oralject CLAIRE Gel" It was purchased from a Veterinary clinic.
04-04-2008, 12:52 AM
after the initial jitters from the first week or so subside,
do you generally feel like you're on a strong stim? I get anxiety
sometimes when over stimmed and can put up with it every now and then, but would hate to have to worry over being worried every day the entire time I'm on it, know what I mean?
04-04-2008, 12:58 PM
thats odd cause i dont get anxiety on it. I do on high levels of caffeine though, and im have somewhat of an issue with anxiety so i was happy with clen.
I would say no. To be at 150mcg+ and not feel anything, either youve been on way to long and all the receptors are shot, or it did expire. Im not sure how it holds up. Ive also never heard of a gel? So its an oral gel? I say go with the liquid and youre gold...
04-04-2008, 01:05 PM
If I started at 150mcg I think my heart would stop.. I usually start at 50 and then work my way up to like 150 over a couple weeks..
04-04-2008, 01:06 PM
04-04-2008, 08:29 PM
04-05-2008, 06:33 PM
Everywhere I have read said the safest/most effective dosage protcol was 2 weeks on, 2 off, ramp up dosage from 20 mcg to 120
How come you do 5 days on, 2 off??
04-05-2008, 06:42 PM
Also, you can cut "more and harder" on 5/2 days rather longer 2/2 weeks type cycles.
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