Myrmidon's Albuterol Cycle Log

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  1. Thnx Achilles.......Nice log and i will be starting up a log tomorrow.


  2. Glad to see things are going well AChilles. One thing I was curious about and have been meaning to mention is that why do you keep your BPM so high during cardio? At this point, are you not concerned about muscle loss? The things about high cardiovascular activity is that while is burns more calories, its not optimal for maintaining size and losing fat.

    Also, if you get the Benedryl...maybe 2x the dose? I felt no difference the next day with 1x dose.
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  3. Day7:
    Long day at work, throwin cases and cases of coke out. I'd say throwin a thousand plus cases out is an okay workout. I took alb little earlier today since I start work early as hell. Still feeling the same effects. Still sweating and great energy from my first to my last dosage. Great stuff so far.


    Diet was pretty solid today. I haven't takin in all the cals I need to but I am going to try somway. I will post diet later.


    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:1859
    Fat:34
    Carb:117
    Prot:258
    Last edited by Achilles13; 01-30-2006 at 10:39 PM.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by akp2004
    Two comments on calories:

    1) Feeling bloated isnt related to fat loss, it's water.
    2) If you're at all like me, I totally underestimate how much calories I eat, when I am eating "maintenence", so I have a skewed sense of how much calories I need to eat when I diet.

    Good luck on your cut - I'm very interested in the Albuterol results.

    -A

    Thanks for thet input AKP. I try to use the fitness calc that was posted earlier in keeping my cals under control, but sometimes I feel like i am overeating. Maybe it's just me thinking to much.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by zaph123
    Thnx Achilles.......Nice log and i will be starting up a log tomorrow.

    Keep us posted bro. Look forward to seeing your progress. You'll love the alb.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rage (SoCal)
    Glad to see things are going well AChilles. One thing I was curious about and have been meaning to mention is that why do you keep your BPM so high during cardio? At this point, are you not concerned about muscle loss? The things about high cardiovascular activity is that while is burns more calories, its not optimal for maintaining size and losing fat.

    Also, if you get the Benedryl...maybe 2x the dose? I felt no difference the next day with 1x dose.

    I was always under the impression the higher the BPM, the more fat you will burn. I'll try your approach that you have been doing towards cardio. I think more of it was just getting the cardio done. I always sprinted and have had good success with it. But mainly, I was under the impression you burned more fat this way. Maybe I shouldn't go so lung and do something that resembles HIIT... IDK there are alot of options in the air right now.

    As far as the benedryl, I think i am going to hold off for awhile. Maybe until next week... if needed. I will probably have to go with 2x the dose but who knows.

  7. Indeed. You are correct about the type of cardio you are doing, it does burn more fat but you are also burning more muscle. Remember, muscle is easier for the body to breakdown is comparison to fat. Fat is a more complex cell. The whole idea of HIIT and why so many incorporate it is because it include High Intensity but at small enough intervals so you would go into a highly catabolic state.

    IMHO, there is no reason to be taking you heartrate to 180-190bpm for a prolonged period of time. The only time I used to do this is when I trained for a meet or particular race.

  8. Day8:
    Today started off slow. Long weekend working so I really didn't get out of bed until after noon. I hit the gym in the late evening and everything was still solid. I actually moved up 5lbs on my lifs(incline bb). Cardio was still top notch. I only did 30mins today burning 500 cals. Reason i didn't go 45mins was because I was doing hiit an really didn't want to start burning muscle. I must have to say I would recommend this supp to anyone who has problems with cardio. I am still very impressed with alb with only running 12mgs.

    Side note, my midsection is really slimming down. I am down to 242lbs right now, which means i lost 2lbs. Where my stomach use to stick out, I am seeing signs of abs. Curves on the side of my stomach. I really think i could see more if I didn't drink 2 diet sodas a die, but I am still making great progess. Diet has been solid and will post the outcome of it later.


    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:2006
    Fat:36
    Carb:119
    Prot:287
    Last edited by Achilles13; 01-31-2006 at 11:05 AM.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rage (SoCal)
    Indeed. You are correct about the type of cardio you are doing, it does burn more fat but you are also burning more muscle. Remember, muscle is easier for the body to breakdown is comparison to fat. Fat is a more complex cell. The whole idea of HIIT and why so many incorporate it is because it include High Intensity but at small enough intervals so you would go into a highly catabolic state.

    IMHO, there is no reason to be taking you heartrate to 180-190bpm for a prolonged period of time. The only time I used to do this is when I trained for a meet or particular race.
    Thanks for the info Rage. I'll do like I did today and bump down to 20 to 30 mins of HIIT.

  10. Day9:
    Worked legs today(Squats, Lunges, Seated calves raises, standing calve raises, leg press and stiff legged dls). Lifts were up on Squats(315x10...345x10...and 375x10). My workout was pretty intense, usually resting 45secs to a minute and fifteen secs inbetween sets. Overrall was a good workout today and really enjoyed it.
    Didn't do cardio right after today. I will probably run a mile around the block and walk another later on in the evening when legs have had time to rest. Cardio consisted of sprinting in the gym. I practiced with my dad's team today running bball drills. Felt like I had my second wind with no problem. Breathed easier instead of breathing hard like I am desperate for air. I wish I would've had alb back in my hs days...

    Well i am down 3lbs and looking much leaner. Looked in the mirror today and my 4 pack is very visible now. My weight today is at 242lbs.

    Side note I would like to thank Jarhead and Bioman for the suggestion to do Ass to the grass squats. I had been going slightly under parallel for the longest but ass to the grass works better IMO. Thanks bros. And I'd like to also thank those who have kept up with my log thus far. This is really my first log and trying to update as much as I can. It may not be "real" enough for some, but imo, I think I am doing an okay job. Thanks again Guys.


    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:2391
    Fat:45
    Carb:132
    Prot:350
    Last edited by Achilles13; 01-31-2006 at 11:52 PM.

  11. Subscribe. Great work so far awsome log keep it up! One question i have is do you get used to the headaches with the alb?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by zaph123
    Subscribe. Great work so far awsome log keep it up! One question i have is do you get used to the headaches with the alb?

    Thanks Zaph123. To tell you the truth bro, I didn't have any headaches the week and a half I have been on it. When I was on clen I had headaches and they subsided after the first couple of days. They should go away after 2 or 3 days... if not lower your dosage until your body is able to tolerate it.

  13. Day10:
    Back workout went well today(DL's, Tbar, rows, pullups, lat pulldowns, and vgrip pulldowns). Sweaty like usual and lifts increased on dls today. That made me pretty happy. Where I use to struggle to get 365 for 6, it was easy today.
    Cardio was intense as usual. Went for 30minutes on the elliptical. I don't think this sounds right but the machine said my Max HR was 235 and Low was 233??? Burned 500 cals in 33mins. I was soaked as well as the machine. I may take my bf on sat because my abs are pretty visible. Will update my diet log later.


    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:2148
    Fat:38
    Carb:135
    Prot:303
    Last edited by Achilles13; 02-02-2006 at 12:21 AM.

  14. Your doing a great job on youre log. Keep up the good work. sounds like its working out well for you so far...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Achilles13
    Day10:
    Back workout went well today(DL's, Tbar, rows, pullups, lat pulldowns, and vgrip pulldowns). Sweaty like usual and lifts increased on dls today. That made me pretty happy. Where I use to struggle to get 365 for 6, it was easy today.
    Cardio was intense as usual. Went for 30minutes on the elliptical. I don't think this sounds right but the machine said my Max HR was 235 and Low was 233??? Burned 500 cals in 33mins. I was soaked as well as the machine. I may take my bf on sat because my abs are pretty visible. Will update my diet log later.
    233 is highly highly unlikely. a lot of these machines cant differentiate machine noise from heart rate. a good, check that - decent, estimate of your max heart rate is 220-age (plus or minus nearly 15 beats per minute). try checking manually sometime in the middle of your workout and just after you are done.

    BTW - great job sofar! diet staying in check?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BigMatty
    Your doing a great job on youre log. Keep up the good work. sounds like its working out well for you so far...

    Thanks bro! I learned from the guy who started it all .


    I just really like how it aids cardio. I mean I am in total awe because there hasn't been one day where I don't look foward towards cardio. It has also helped out with my midsection as well. Thanks for lookin in BM.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by deebs
    233 is highly highly unlikely. a lot of these machines cant differentiate machine noise from heart rate. a good, check that - decent, estimate of your max heart rate is 220-age (plus or minus nearly 15 beats per minute). try checking manually sometime in the middle of your workout and just after you are done.

    BTW - great job sofar! diet staying in check?

    Well checked like at the 20minute mark or somewhere around there and it read 229 to 235... somewhere around that. I didn't think it was right at all. Could be messed up from all the sweat that i get on there... lol. Tomorrow i will check when i am in the mid of my workout and done to see what HR is at.


    Thanks bro for the words. Diet is in check, have a cheat meal on sat evening but that is about it. But hell, I work from 5am to 7pm. I kind of consider that a workout seeing how pulling heavy pallets on pallet-jacks that are crappy so you are doing all the work, then throw out cases of soda and then on top of that condense everything else down. Pretty good workout to me IMO. Damn shirt is pretty soaked. But yeah, diet has been on point, only thing I could really do away from would be the 3-5 diet sodas i have a day...(Coke Zero, Diet Coke, Diet Pepper). Thanks for looking in deebs.

  18. 233 is highly unlikely. the heartrate minus your age is all bs. its good for people that are not fit. but people that are can range anywhere. but i doubt it got that high. mine gets in the upper 210 range (every once in a while) but im also running all out. yours should not be that high just doing 30 min on a machine.


    but then agian your taking albuteral... watch your heart rate. if your heart is not used to that kind of work than that = bad news.
  19. Cool


    Nice log! When are you taking your dosages in the day? Also, any trouble falling asleep?

    Ryno
    out

  20. Quote Originally Posted by 400runner
    233 is highly unlikely. the heartrate minus your age is all bs. its good for people that are not fit. but people that are can range anywhere. but i doubt it got that high. mine gets in the upper 210 range (every once in a while) but im also running all out. yours should not be that high just doing 30 min on a machine.
    220-age is just an estimate for max heart rate, and a raw estimate at that. that equation is given with the caveat that it has +/- 15bpm error.

    Heart rates over 200 during exercise for people in their 20's are not uncommon, but they are not the norm either. max HR is going to be prettymuch the same regardless of how fit you are. what changes with fitness is the hr required to sustain activity at a workload, which will decrease with higher fitness. the heart needs to beat less to provide the working muscle groups with oxygen and nutrients, mainly because stoke volume (blood pumped per beat) is increasing.

    so... Achilles, the 220-age was in my post to help you see that the 233 was probably the machine miscalculating. id stop and take your pulse manually in the middle and when you are done, or have a friend take it when you stop. the gym you are at may also have polar HR monitors, or BP kits with stethoscopes and a trainer could take it using that...

  21. Day11:
    Today was shoulder/trap day. Workout went smooth. Weight increased while still doing the same amount of reps on DB Shoulder Press. Still feeling the same things that i felt at the beginning... warm throughout the day, sweating like crazy, and cardio is still good. When I first started cardio today, about a minute into my workout, I checked HR and it didn't give back anything. I did it again around 5 minutes and it said around 100. 15 minute mark it was around 138 to 150. At the end of the workout, my Max HR was 160 and minimum was 133. Sounds better from the previous day lol. Both workouts still going smooth along with my diet and albuterol is living up to its name.
    Side note, another way I can tell is the simple fact that today at my dad's practice, I was dunking the ball with ease(one hand). Usually I have to strain or really struggle to get it, but today i basically jumped over the rim and through the ball in. I dunked with 2 hands once but that was it. DOMS is really kickin my ass right now. Legs still haven't fully recovered from tuesday. Half the time it feels like i am gonna fall down lol. But yeah, i've shed some lbs and I am happy with alb.


    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:2325
    Fat:40
    Carb:143
    Prot:338

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 400runner
    233 is highly unlikely. the heartrate minus your age is all bs. its good for people that are not fit. but people that are can range anywhere. but i doubt it got that high. mine gets in the upper 210 range (every once in a while) but im also running all out. yours should not be that high just doing 30 min on a machine.


    but then agian your taking albuteral... watch your heart rate. if your heart is not used to that kind of work than that = bad news.

    That's the first time my HR has been that high(even though it really wasnt). I just think the machine was messed up probably from all my sweat on there...lol Usually my hr is around 180 or slightly higher and somewhere for a low of 130.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by rysigpi
    Nice log! When are you taking your dosages in the day? Also, any trouble falling asleep?

    Ryno
    out

    Thanks Ryno,
    I usually dose in the morning(around 7-8am), afternoon(11:30-12:00pm), and late afternoon(3:30-5:30). Somewhere in between those times is where I ususally dose. I haven't had any trouble falling asleep. None at all... actually i've been sleeping like a baby .

  24. Quote Originally Posted by deebs
    220-age is just an estimate for max heart rate, and a raw estimate at that. that equation is given with the caveat that it has +/- 15bpm error.

    Heart rates over 200 during exercise for people in their 20's are not uncommon, but they are not the norm either. max HR is going to be prettymuch the same regardless of how fit you are. what changes with fitness is the hr required to sustain activity at a workload, which will decrease with higher fitness. the heart needs to beat less to provide the working muscle groups with oxygen and nutrients, mainly because stoke volume (blood pumped per beat) is increasing.

    so... Achilles, the 220-age was in my post to help you see that the 233 was probably the machine miscalculating. id stop and take your pulse manually in the middle and when you are done, or have a friend take it when you stop. the gym you are at may also have polar HR monitors, or BP kits with stethoscopes and a trainer could take it using that...

    My gym doesn't have HR monitors or bp kits. I'll ask the trainers tomorrow if they do but I highly doubt they do. Like you have said, I think the machine was miscaculating my HR. Today was totally different as you can tell.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Achilles13
    Thanks bro! I learned from the guy who started it all .
    Glad i was able to help. besides learning from this site i feel i need to contribute to it as well. good to know it was a postive contribution thanks A


    Quote Originally Posted by achilles13
    I just really like how it aids cardio. I mean I am in total awe because there hasn't been one day where I don't look foward towards cardio. It has also helped out with my midsection as well. Thanks for lookin in BM.
    Yeah i hear ya on that i was also amazed how much better my cardio workouts were. I didnt get exhausted really even to the end. im happy to hear its also showing results in youre midsection as well. great stuff

    Keeping up with the log very well good work!!

    BTYW incase anyone didnt get the email ibe is having a buy one get one free sale on the alb right now. im def going to put in another order while that sale lasts!!
    Last edited by BigMatty; 02-03-2006 at 02:38 PM.

  26. I just took advantage of that buy one get one free. Shoot....2-60ml bottles for $38 dollars shipped!!!

  27. Day12:
    Things started out rough. Had a test early as hell in the morning and had to rush to school... forgot my damn alb and couldn't dose at the proper time. So that pushed my gym time back a bit. Dosed in the after noon, then about 30 to 45 mins later I hit the gym. Today was bis,tris, and delts. Great workout all around. Kind of slow, due to people who want tot shoot the sh** instead of lift, but still has the regular sweat was there and muscles were worked good.
    I didn't get around to doing cardio today because the super bowl weekend. My work will be cut out for this weekend , so I KNOW I will get a good cardio workout while I am there. Also, I squated on tuesday and here it is friday and it still feels as if someone is stabbing me in my quads. I have some taurine put up in my closet I may have to pull out. If i don't get around to doing cardio tomorrow, most likely I will make it up by running my block tomorrow or hitting the gym on sunday for some cardio.

    Cal intake for the day using fitday:
    Cals:2517
    Fat:43
    Carb:165
    Prot:354

    Note: After 12 days of using albuterol, my receptors still are in good shape. I thought i'd need some keto or benedryl by now... but guess not.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by BigMatty
    Glad i was able to help. besides learning from this site i feel i need to contribute to it as well. good to know it was a postive contribution thanks A




    Yeah i hear ya on that i was also amazed how much better my cardio workouts were. I didnt get exhausted really even to the end. im happy to hear its also showing results in youre midsection as well. great stuff

    Keeping up with the log very well good work!!

    BTYW incase anyone didnt get the email ibe is having a buy one get one free sale on the alb right now. im def going to put in another order while that sale lasts!!

    Always inspiring words Bm, Thanks brotha. I will look into tht sale... No sense on missing out on a great opportunity...

  29. Quote Originally Posted by rysigpi
    I just took advantage of that buy one get one free. Shoot....2-60ml bottles for $38 dollars shipped!!!

    Atta boy... I think I will be placing my order soon.

  30. thinkin' about starting an albuterol cycle and I'm wondering about Ketotifen, where do i get this from and when would one start using it. do i start using keto once i notice the effects of the albuterol going away, will it be that apparent?? also wat kind of dosage should i use with the ketotifen. i also heard that benadryl is good for freshening the receptors but from wat i heard ketotifen is better rite?? also achilles i have kind of a random question or for anyone else who knows, u mentioned a couple of times that u feel that diet soda is holding u back and feel like u need to cut it out. y is that??? it has 0 cals. i just wondering cuz i drink diet sodas on occasion myself. thanx
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