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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Well I don't know about you bro but I physically can't do 30 mins HIIT after lifting as I'm usually pretty gassed post workout. Add 300 cals LISS after resistance training to your daily calorie deficit and it works. Can you honestly say you can perform HIIT after leg day?
    Not after leg day, no, that's when I go without Cardio.

    I personally am on DC 3 split training. So I do AB, CA, BC, etc. On C (leg days) I take the day off from cardio. I'm at the gym 4 times a week for lifting, and then 3 - 5 days I'll do cardio, depending. I also enjoy doing it in the morning, so by the time get to lifting, I'm no longer exhausted from my HIIT that was done in the beginning of the day, and it will also not force me to be at the gym for long stretches of time.

    I have tried the slow and steady approach too while fasting, 60 minutes 12% incline 3.8 mph walk. Would burn around 800 calories with my heartmonitor. Or I could do HIIT on the same 12% incline, 1:30 at 3.3, 30 seconds at 9.0mph and then burn 850 calories in 25 minutes and then go chill in the hot tub for 20. Matter of choices I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Not after leg day, no, that's when I go without Cardio.

    I personally am on DC 3 split training. So I do AB, CA, BC, etc. On C (leg days) I take the day off from cardio. I'm at the gym 4 times a week for lifting, and then 3 - 5 days I'll do cardio, depending. I also enjoy doing it in the morning, so by the time get to lifting, I'm no longer exhausted from my HIIT that was done in the beginning of the day, and it will also not force me to be at the gym for long stretches of time.

    I have tried the slow and steady approach too while fasting, 60 minutes 12% incline 3.8 mph walk. Would burn around 800 calories with my heartmonitor. Or I could do HIIT on the same 12% incline, 1:30 at 3.3, 30 seconds at 9.0mph and then burn 850 calories in 25 minutes and then go chill in the hot tub for 20. Matter of choices I guess.
    Yes, it is a matter of choice. I think people are responding to your comment that post lifting LISS is an "outdated" approach though, not that HIIT isn't effective or efficient.

    Is anybody going to open the recovery can of worms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Yes, it is a matter of choice. I think people are responding to your comment that post lifting LISS is an "outdated" approach though, not that HIIT isn't effective or efficient.

    Is anybody going to open the recovery can of worms?
    I was merely debating the old concept that "you do not start losing fat until after the 40th minute of doing exercise". If they want to do LISS or HIIT it's up to them, but just don't agree with saying that the only way to lose fat is to do at least 45 minutes of cardio.
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    These are some great suggestions I think I will try to do cardio 5 times per week and also change
    my diet some by replacing sugary drinks with Pure Whey Isolate and also try using MGN's fat burner
    they have its called Trim Down Advanced and its supposed to be scientifically proven for weight loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    These are some great suggestions I think I will try to do cardio 5 times per week and also change
    my diet some by replacing sugary drinks with Pure Whey Isolate and also try using MGN's fat burner
    they have its called Trim Down Advanced and its supposed to be scientifically proven for weight loss.
    Replacing sugary drinks will do wonders.
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    Yea I think replacing sugary drinks will be a challenge for me but it will be well worth it for sure.
    I really have a lot to look forward to I am expecting my first child and really want to be in great
    shape for the new baby I'll need all my energy! I will be doing cardio 5 times per week also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    Yea I think replacing sugary drinks will be a challenge for me but it will be well worth it for sure.
    I really have a lot to look forward to I am expecting my first child and really want to be in great
    shape for the new baby I'll need all my energy! I will be doing cardio 5 times per week also.
    You need to burn or eliminate roughly 3500 calories from your standard intake to lose 1 lb. of body weight. Assume two sugary drinks daily at 200 calories each, 400 empty calories per day. 400*7= 2800 calories burned per week. In a month you're looking at 11,200 empty calories. That's roughly 3 pounds lost simply by eliminating sugary drinks. Not to mention the effect on your insulin response, the lowered risk of diabetes, less acidity and inflammation in your body and on and on.

    Try calorie free or low cal substitutes as you adjust. Ultimately water or tea, especially green tea (ecgc), should be the goal imo.

    I don't know how much you actually drink but I bet if you actually logged each drink for a week meticulously, you would be shocked. Working your personal numbers gives a pretty compelling reason to quit.
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    What kind of drinks do you have?

    Not ideal, but why not at least switch to some coke zero or something along those lines during adjustment period?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I'm trying to lose a good 10 pounds what the quickest and easiest way to do this?

    -Eat clean
    -Drop simple sugars out of your diet
    -Hit the gym hard utilizing weight training and cardio as much as you can!
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    Skip breakfast, ultra low carb, don't drop fat super low, 1 insane carb refeed a week, lift weights and taper volume as glycogen becomes depleted.
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    These are some great suggestions I will be using them all during my training period. I plan on doing
    HIIT training at least 3 days per week as well as weight lifting 5 days per week this will kickstart
    my metabolism. I also plan to eat at least 5 times a day and really eat clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    These are some great suggestions I will be using them all during my training period. I plan on doing
    HIIT training at least 3 days per week as well as weight lifting 5 days per week this will kickstart
    my metabolism. I also plan to eat at least 5 times a day and really eat clean.

    Sounds like a good plan! Are you trying to lose the weight by a certain date??
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    These are some great suggestions I will be using them all during my training period. I plan on doingHIIT training at least 3 days per week as well as weight lifting 5 days per week this will kickstartmy metabolism. I also plan to eat at least 5 times a day and really eat clean.
    Cardio/weightlifting do not affect metabolic rate to any significant degree.Portion size and total calories is far more important than food choices (aka eating "clean").
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    Didn't know that mr. cooper thanks for the advice and yes Miss Q I am trying to lose the weight before the summer comes in.
    I want to look my best last summer I had an 8 pack and I want to get that back! I know I can do it it will take some hard work
    and discipline for sure but it will come I know it will. Just gotta put in the work
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Cardio/weightlifting do not affect metabolic rate to any significant degree.Portion size and total calories is far more important than food choices (aka eating "clean").


    So....you saying cardio/weightlifting is not important and neither is eating clean??? Confused
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    Drinking a glass of warm water with lemon and honey as soon as you wake up in the morning (after ), raises your metabolic level significantly. Water has significant health benefits. Through the night, your body is deprived of water, and since most of your body processes use water as a medium, your body’s machinery slows down through the night. When you drink water in the morning, it helps to rev the machinery back into gear, so it kicks up the metabolic rate. U could also press the acupuncture point below your nose and above the upper lip to increase metabolism rate. The lemon has Vitamin C, and honey has its health benefits , since they add vitamins, minerals, and flavor. So, assuming that your diet , exercise and activity level is the same, and you start drinking lemon water as soon as you wake up, it will increase your metabolic level. With an increase in your metabolic level, your body will burn more calories for the same activity.
    also alternate days 15-20 mins in sauna can help you burn those xtra pounds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    So....you saying cardio/weightlifting is not important and neither is eating clean??? Confused
    I belive he's saying that cardio and weights will not directly increase metabolism straight after a workout (i.e. create an 'afterburn') but this is intensity dependant. But your typical weight session and cardio (LISS) will not stimulate the afterburn effect.

    It has been said that the compostition of calories (whether 3,000kcals from brown rice or 3,000kcals from big macs) are not important in the grand scheme as both equate too 3,000kcals, and if this causes you to go over your TDEE, then weight gain will occur regardless of how 'clean' you eat. In weight loss cases its more important to monitor TOTAL calories as this will determine the amount of weight lost.

    Eating 'clean' is important just to meet your micronutrient goals but will not in effect be the sole reason for weight loss, you will still have to monitor total calorie intake
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhondagraymon View Post
    Drinking a glass of warm water with lemon and honey as soon as you wake up in the morning (after ), raises your metabolic level significantly. Water has significant health benefits. Through the night, your body is deprived of water, and since most of your body processes use water as a medium, your body’s machinery slows down through the night. When you drink water in the morning, it helps to rev the machinery back into gear, so it kicks up the metabolic rate. U could also press the acupuncture point below your nose and above the upper lip to increase metabolism rate. The lemon has Vitamin C, and honey has its health benefits , since they add vitamins, minerals, and flavor. So, assuming that your diet , exercise and activity level is the same, and you start drinking lemon water as soon as you wake up, it will increase your metabolic level. With an increase in your metabolic level, your body will burn more calories for the same activity.
    also alternate days 15-20 mins in sauna can help you burn those xtra pounds
    I'm gonna go right ahead and call this one out. There's really no scientific background that would suggest Lemon + Honey will raise your metabolism in the morning, let alone pressing below your nose and upper lip; if that was the case I would walk around all day with my finger under my nose or develop something to be worn there and make millions.
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    Drinking Water May Speed Weight Loss, on webmd (still can't post links)

    Yes, it's an article and not a stand alone, peer reviewed study. Yes, it is an article discussing the findings of referenced peer reviewed studies that can be researched independently should a reader so desire.

    As I interpreted the post, water was suggested as the metabolic stimulant, the honey and lemon for additional health benefits.


    Regarding lemon juice, as it is acidic, it stabilizes your blood sugar level, facilitating an environment conducive to weight loss.

    Drinking adequate levels of water, and spiking it with lemon juice, is conducive to weight loss but it is not a magic bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    So....you saying cardio/weightlifting is not important and neither is eating clean??? Confused
    Essentially, you can't out train a sh!*ty diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I belive he's saying that cardio and weights will not directly increase metabolism straight after a workout (i.e. create an 'afterburn') but this is intensity dependant. But your typical weight session and cardio (LISS) will not stimulate the afterburn effect.

    It has been said that the compostition of calories (whether 3,000kcals from brown rice or 3,000kcals from big macs) are not important in the grand scheme as both equate too 3,000kcals, and if this causes you to go over your TDEE, then weight gain will occur regardless of how 'clean' you eat. In weight loss cases its more important to monitor TOTAL calories as this will determine the amount of weight lost.

    Eating 'clean' is important just to meet your micronutrient goals but will not in effect be the sole reason for weight loss, you will still have to monitor total calorie intake

    Yes, I understand that Jiigzz, thank you.

    Here's the thing though (not directed at you) I have gone from being very overweight to 4 weeks out from competing, never once counting my calories/macros or any of that other stuff and did just fine. I ate clean, left carbs out at night, and worked my ass off in the gym. If I'm going to diet then I'm certainly not going to sit around eating burgers and fries because it's in my macros. I would look like crap and feel like crap.

    Telling someone that wants to lose weight that it doesn't matter if they go to the gym or eat clean is ridiculous. Seems like a lot of ppl like to give advice that sounds like they are copying and pasting from text book's instead of using real life situation's. Everything does not work the same for everyone. If I did not utilize cardio and weight's, and ate whatever I wanted (as long as it's in my macros) then I would not look the way I do, and that's just a fact. I was under the impression that this is a BB'ing website, maybe I was wrong.....


    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Essentially, you can't out train a sh!*ty diet.
    Never said you could
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post

    Here's the thing though (not directed at you) I have gone from being very overweight to 4 weeks out from competing, never once counting my calories/macros or any of that other stuff and did just fine. I ate clean, left carbs out at night, and worked my ass off in the gym. If I'm going to diet then I'm certainly not going to sit around eating burgers and fries because it's in my macros. I would look like crap and feel like crap.

    Telling someone that wants to lose weight that it doesn't matter if they go to the gym or eat clean is ridiculous. Seems like a lot of ppl like to give advice that sounds like they are copying and pasting from text book's instead of using real life situation's. Everything does not work the same for everyone. If I did not utilize cardio and weight's, and ate whatever I wanted (as long as it's in my macros) then I would not look the way I do, and that's just a fact. I was under the impression that this is a BB'ing website, maybe I was wrong.....
    YEA! Screw empirical evidence from so called science.

    Ones single persons personal experience trumps any peer-reviewed study and is all I need to know. Their biased subjective experience is all one needs in order to separate whats real and whats not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    So....you saying cardio/weightlifting is not important and neither is eating clean??? Confused
    Obviously that's not what I said
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    YEA! Screw empirical evidence from so called science.

    Ones single persons personal experience trumps any peer-reviewed study and is all I need to know. Their biased subjective experience is all one needs in order to separate whats real and whats not.

    Science- schmience!

    Never said that either. Like I said my way is not the right way for everyone, but why don't more ppl on here talk about what works FOR THEM in real life instead of - i read this study.....i read that study......easy way out.... there seems to be a lot of that going on....oh well....like i said whatever works
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Never said that either. Like I said my way is not the right way for everyone, but why don't more ppl on here talk about what works FOR THEM in real life instead of - i read this study.....i read that study......easy way out.... there seems to be a lot of that going on....oh well....like i said whatever works
    What I stated happens to also work for me. I got to 7% BF eating a 300g carbohydrate meal of kids cereal and sugar prior to bed almost nightly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post

    Never said that either. Like I said my way is not the right way for everyone, but why don't more ppl on here talk about what works FOR THEM in real life instead of - i read this study.....i read that study......easy way out.... there seems to be a lot of that going on....oh well....like i said whatever works
    I agree 100%. If you have superior genetics, yes you can eat whatever you want and see results. If it was as simple as calories, everyone would be walking around at 6%bf and 18" arms.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    What I stated happens to also work for me. I got to 7% BF eating a 300g carbohydrate meal of kids cereal and sugar prior to bed almost nightly.
    Not adult or teenage cereal? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Never said that either. Like I said my way is not the right way for everyone, but why don't more ppl on here talk about what works FOR THEM in real life instead of - i read this study.....i read that study......easy way out.... there seems to be a lot of that going on....oh well....like i said whatever works
    Most of us believe in evidence based practice which is essentially the blending of science and art. You on the other hand seem to have the mindset that the only information of value comes from the "trenches" or as you say "real life" This mindset is a mistake. You can not disassociate the art from the underlying science that supports it. Science gives us an objective measure to which help guide us in making decisions. This mindset that chooses to ignore this are only really doing an injustice to the themselves and that is perfectly fine (I am of the belief people have the right to be stupid if they so choose to be. Got my fingers crossed darwins theory will prevail in the end) but when these individuals start to spread this concept I do feel the need to chime in and help add some perspective. As I mentioned above in my sarcastic post, without consideration of scientific research, you will ultimately fall prey to the biases of subjectivity.

    Now, this does not mean that everything should be based on research alone and that personal anecdotal evidence is somehow irrelevant. It just shouldnt be the main driving force to creating ideas. Rather, one should be current with the available research and use this as their basis for decision making. You take the conclusions drawn from the research (as a whole, not just a single study) and apply them based on your personal experiences and whatever "real world" factors you need to consider (i.e injury, illness, schedule, convineince and practicality, etc) This is evidence-based practice and is what this industry needs more of
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    Did I say food choices don't matter? I said portion control and overall macronutrient intake is far more important.

    These nutrition debates always end up in semantics, which is why I'm not gonna bother here. If you do truly find scientific evidence to be of little worth, though, then there is a fundamental flaw in your approach to problem-solving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    I agree 100%. If you have superior genetics, yes you can eat whatever you want and see results. If it was as simple as calories, everyone would be walking around at 6%bf and 18" arms.....

    Exactly....wouldn't we all love have those genetics, BUT WE DON'T!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Most of us believe in evidence based practice which is essentially the blending of science and art. You on the other hand seem to have the mindset that the only information of value comes from the "trenches" or as you say "real life" This mindset is a mistake. You can not disassociate the art from the underlying science that supports it. Science gives us an objective measure to which help guide us in making decisions. This mindset that chooses to ignore this are only really doing an injustice to the themselves and that is perfectly fine (I am of the belief people have the right to be stupid if they so choose to be. Got my fingers crossed darwins theory will prevail in the end) but when these individuals start to spread this concept I do feel the need to chime in and help add some perspective. As I mentioned above in my sarcastic post, without consideration of scientific research, you will ultimately fall prey to the biases of subjectivity.

    Now, this does not mean that everything should be based on research alone and that personal anecdotal evidence is somehow irrelevant. It just shouldnt be the main driving force to creating ideas. Rather, one should be current with the available research and use this as their basis for decision making. You take the conclusions drawn from the research (as a whole, not just a single study) and apply them based on your personal experiences and whatever "real world" factors you need to consider (i.e injury, illness, schedule, convineince and practicality, etc) This is evidence-based practice and is what this industry needs more of

    Again.....I'm already bored......what did you say earlier? Science- schmience!

    What's your REAL WORLD experience??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Exactly....wouldn't we all love have those genetics, BUT WE DON'T!!!
    I have low T, high E, high cortisol, low TSH, and was in the 15th percentile of bodyweight throughout my entire childhood. What genetics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Again.....I'm already bored......what did you say earlier? Science- schmience!

    What's your REAL WORLD experience??
    The tenets of my statements are used by physicians in my locale in the treatment of obesity. Hundreds of thousands of success stories from one clinic alone. Is that real world enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The tenets of my statements are used by physicians in my locale in the treatment of obesity. Hundreds of thousands of success stories from one clinic alone. Is that real world enough?
    Was not directed towards you
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I have low T, high E, high cortisol, low TSH, and was in the 15th percentile of bodyweight throughout my entire childhood. What genetics?
    Wait....so your telling me you ate children's cereal at night and that caused you to get down to 7% b/fat?? Come on mr c
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I have low T, high E, high cortisol, low TSH, and was in the 15th percentile of bodyweight throughout my entire childhood. What genetics?
    Coop, was your secret kids cereal vs. teenage cereal?

    I will agree that portion control is a huge factor. What is your premies on my ability to eat 3,200 calories/day on a keto diet and maintaining lower bodyfat than a 3,000 calories diet with incorporated carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Wait....so your telling me you ate children's cereal at night and that caused you to get down to 7% b/fat?? Come on mr c
    It didn't cause my weight loss. There are some serious misinterpretations of the points I'm trying to get across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Q View Post
    Again.....I'm already bored......what did you say earlier? Science- schmience!

    What's your REAL WORLD experience??
    And with that I am done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Coop, was your secret kids cereal vs. teenage cereal?

    I will agree that portion control is a huge factor. What is your premies on my ability to eat 3,200 calories/day on a keto diet and maintaining lower bodyfat than a 3,000 calories diet with incorporated carbs?
    There have been several research reviews showing no benefit to keto on isocaloric diets. Keto will reduce BW and increase the impression of weight loss due to its effects on water, and it may make dieting more manageable by eliminating cravings, but the data repeatedly shows no direct body composition benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Coop, was your secret kids cereal vs. teenage cereal?

    I will agree that portion control is a huge factor. What is your premies on my ability to eat 3,200 calories/day on a keto diet and maintaining lower bodyfat than a 3,000 calories diet with incorporated carbs?
    because you are using the fallacy of calories in vs calories out as the sole basis of weight loss
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