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    So what does T-3 FEEL like when you're on it?


    I'm not sure if this should be in the anabolics section or not, as T3 is a hormone but it is catabolic, not anabolic.

    Anyway, I am currently running Havoc, Katanadrol, and Dermacrine. I added T3 10 days ago. This is pharma T3 (Tiromel) not research stuff. I started at 25mcs a day and bumped up to 50mcs after 3 days. Today is day 10 and I haven't noticed anything, either in terms of fat loss or other symptoms of increased thyroid. I know my doses are on the low side as this is my first time and I'm being cautious. I'm considering bumping up to 75mcs, but I want to make sure that I've given it enough time at 50mcs.

    Any opinions from experienced T3 users?

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    Do a search for a thread called fighting my genetics with T3. 50-75 mcgs is not exactly a low dosage and you should get a little more information before taking something like this.

    Good luck
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    For me 75mcg seems to be the sweet spot. You will know its working when you find yourself sweating while not doing anything, i know right now with the temps outside that might be hard to tell. You will get more restless/pissed off and have a shorter fuse due to being uncomfortable as your body temp goes up.
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    Thanks for the referral to the thread. I read the whole thing between yesterday and today and have subbed to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdup View Post
    Do a search for a thread called fighting my genetics with T3. 50-75 mcgs is not exactly a low dosage and you should get a little more information before taking something like this.

    Good luck
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    Well, I haven't really noticed any of those sides yet. I will probably bump up to 75mcs and see how that goes

    Quote Originally Posted by bubagump View Post
    For me 75mcg seems to be the sweet spot. You will know its working when you find yourself sweating while not doing anything, i know right now with the temps outside that might be hard to tell. You will get more restless/pissed off and have a shorter fuse due to being uncomfortable as your body temp goes up.
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    I bumped it up to 75mcs today and I think I finally feel it. I've felt warm all day and I'll sweat if I don't have the AC blowing right on me. I've also been getting some androgenic sides which must be from the Katanadrol. I've run Epi before and never had an issue, but now I'm breaking out like a 15 year old and I'm damn near 40. I may dial back the Kata or drop it all together.
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    Just be careful, as 75mcg may be a "normal" dose for bodybuilders, but it's certainly not a normal amount for the human body. The body primarily produces T4, and very little T3 (converting the rest of the T4 into the active form of T3). If you have a thermometer, you can measure your temp, as well, because even though you may not feel a difference, there may be one.
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    Greaser: You're on gear (Katanadrol) which ramps down T3 output

    So, when on gear, you will require more T3 to achieve same result

    Also, Katanadrol is about as mild as it gets. Surprised youre getting negative sides

    Dose?

    Quote Originally Posted by greaser View Post
    I bumped it up to 75mcs today and I think I finally feel it. I've felt warm all day and I'll sweat if I don't have the AC blowing right on me. I've also been getting some androgenic sides which must be from the Katanadrol. I've run Epi before and never had an issue, but now I'm breaking out like a 15 year old and I'm damn near 40. I may dial back the Kata or drop it all together.
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    I've been taking 100 mcg of T-3 and 200 mcg of Clen a day. I didn't drop a pound until day 16, when I dropped 5lbs overnight.
    I'm at day 24 now and have lost about 8 lbs so far. I'm taking 1-Andro also.
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    Thanks Beast. The thermometer is a good idea. I have one around here somewhere and I'll start monitoring my body temp. I've been checking blood pressure and heart rate and everything is normal so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Just be careful, as 75mcg may be a "normal" dose for bodybuilders, but it's certainly not a normal amount for the human body. The body primarily produces T4, and very little T3 (converting the rest of the T4 into the active form of T3). If you have a thermometer, you can measure your temp, as well, because even though you may not feel a difference, there may be one.
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    Whacked: Interesting point about T3 suppression while on cycle. I've heard that before, but I've never been sure whether it was true or just bro science.

    I've been stacking the Katanadrol with Havoc. Both are DHT-derived, so that may be while I'm getting the androgenic side effects that I've been experiencing. I've been running it at the dose which the Need2 reps suggested: 350mgs. The epi/Havoc has been at 50mgs. I'm also running (topical) Dermacrine at 4 pumps ED. I think I'm going to dial down the Katandrol or drop it all together. I might kick up the Havoc to 60mgs to fight any catabolic effects from the T3.


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    Greaser: You're on gear (Katanadrol) which ramps down T3 output

    So, when on gear, you will require more T3 to achieve same result

    Also, Katanadrol is about as mild as it gets. Surprised youre getting negative sides

    Dose?
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    How are the sides at that dose? Are you able to tell if the weight you've lost is mostly fat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    I've been taking 100 mcg of T-3 and 200 mcg of Clen a day. I didn't drop a pound until day 16, when I dropped 5lbs overnight.
    I'm at day 24 now and have lost about 8 lbs so far. I'm taking 1-Andro also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaser View Post
    How are the sides at that dose? Are you able to tell if the weight you've lost is mostly fat?
    The sides from the Clenbuterol are a lot more noticeable. Yesterday I was paying for groceries and I was trembling so much the cashier thought I had Parkinson's or something.

    I just remembered that I went up to 150mcg of T3 about 3 days ago. I do feel a bit warm, but my temp is normally 97 anyway.
    My heavy compound lifts have suffered a bit, my feet are kinda wobbly when doing dead lifts, probably from the Clen, which I will finish this week.

    I noticed that while I didn't lose very many pounds yet, my clothes are definitely looser, so it seems I am definitely loosing some fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    The sides from the Clenbuterol are a lot more noticeable. Yesterday I was paying for groceries and I was trembling so much the cashier thought I had Parkinson's or something.

    I just remembered that I went up to 150mcg of T3 about 3 days ago. I do feel a bit warm, but my temp is normally 97 anyway.
    My heavy compound lifts have suffered a bit, my feet are kinda wobbly when doing dead lifts, probably from the Clen, which I will finish this week.

    I noticed that while I didn't lose very many pounds yet, my clothes are definitely looser, so it seems I am definitely loosing some fat.
    100mcg T3/day is a dangerous dose. At best it's just unnecessary. IMO, there are so many better ways to lose fat than the risks that come with high doses of T3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    100mcg T3/day is a dangerous dose. At best it's just unnecessary. IMO, there are so many better ways to lose fat than the risks that come with high doses of T3.
    I went from 330 lbs to 180 in twelve months on ECA. From there I went down to 137 lbs within six months. I eventually stabilized around 150.

    I started a new job, unfortunately working at a desk all day and went up to 190 lbs. After over two years on ECA, it didn't seem to have much of an effect anymore.

    I've been keeping my calories below 2000 for the past two weeks and dosing 100 mcg to 150 mcg of T3 a day, and even then I've only lost 8 lbs so far. I guess that's not a bad thing since I'd rather not lose too much muscle.

    I'm also taking 20 mg Yohimbine a day along with my 200mcg Clen. If that hasn't killed me yet I think I'll be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    I went from 330 lbs to 180 in twelve months on ECA. From there I went down to 137 lbs within six months. I eventually stabilized around 150.

    I started a new job, unfortunately working at a desk all day and went up to 190 lbs. After over two years on ECA, it didn't seem to have much of an effect anymore.

    I've been keeping my calories below 2000 for the past two weeks and dosing 100 mcg to 150 mcg of T3 a day, and even then I've only lost 8 lbs so far. I guess that's not a bad thing since I'd rather not lose too much muscle.

    I'm also taking 20 mg Yohimbine a day along with my 200mcg Clen. If that hasn't killed me yet I think I'll be ok.
    You surely didn't run ECA for that entire time straight, did you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    You surely didn't run ECA for that entire time straight, did you?
    Sure did. Though it was probably the caffeine that did more harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    Sure did. Though it was probably the caffeine that did more harm.
    I think you're overdue for a stim break my friend. No wonder you are running such high doses of T3/Clen! IMO you are wasting some good stuff. You should take a stim break and the T3/Clen would probably last you a lot longer since you would be able to do smaller doses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    Sure did. Though it was probably the caffeine that did more harm.
    I'd say go cold turkey on stimulants and run Revamp for about 3 months and then ease back into it. You may be able to get away with less, but 12 months straight on E/C is not a wise decision. Lot of bad that can come from that.
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    I just ordered some adrenal reset tabs last week. After the Clen I was planning to do one more run with the ECA and then hopefully take a break for a while.

    Honestly, I was surprised the Clen even seems to have an effect on me. I shake like hell from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaser
    I'm not sure if this should be in the anabolics section or not, as T3 is a hormone but it is catabolic, not anabolic.

    Anyway, I am currently running Havoc, Katanadrol, and Dermacrine. I added T3 10 days ago. This is pharma T3 (Tiromel) not research stuff. I started at 25mcs a day and bumped up to 50mcs after 3 days. Today is day 10 and I haven't noticed anything, either in terms of fat loss or other symptoms of increased thyroid. I know my doses are on the low side as this is my first time and I'm being cautious. I'm considering bumping up to 75mcs, but I want to make sure that I've given it enough time at 50mcs.

    Any opinions from experienced T3 users?
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    How much are you eating and how long have you went without a surplus of calories? You don't really feel t3 except for the first couple doses. 200 mcgs of clen is asking for trouble. Clen already is catabolic due to the low doses humans can withstand and eats protien. T3 is catabolic at doses of 50 plus mcgs. Starts burning all your carbs and preventing much glycogen storage. Eats your protien and increases calories burned by (good guess for 75 mcgs) 20 to 40. % . Coupled with clen at such high doses and some very weak ph your probably going to experience 1 of 2 things. A Witch is Rapid weight loss which will leave stretch marks depending on your bodyfat % or b if you are in the 10 to 13 % or lower your going to set yourself back 1 to 3 months in the gym due to muscle loss. Rebound weight gain are also commen with clen and t3 . T3 will also suppression your thyroid for a good month or 2 .your gonna get fat again and loose muscle. Drop the clen run @ 15 to 30 mcgs of t3 while doing some metabolic training to combat clen weight gain and then get off of t3 when pct is over so you don't gain as much fat.
    Also your probably eating muscle anyway if you have been in a negitive calorie state for longer than 14 weeks. Your body may be fed up with lipoisis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    I just ordered some adrenal reset tabs last week. After the Clen I was planning to do one more run with the ECA and then hopefully take a break for a while.

    Honestly, I was surprised the Clen even seems to have an effect on me. I shake like hell from it.
    IIRC, the shaking from the clen doesn't directly represent the stimulant activity (meaning: just because that's happening doesn't mean your body isn't wacked out and your beta receptors aren't shot from all that prolonged activity).
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    You mean Parkinsons isnt from one too many espressos?

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    Clen is the devil! Destroys heart tissue, fat rebound from the Beta receptors re-populating upon cessation, A2 receptors increase to compensate for the B2 up-regulation - garbage drug.


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    IIRC, the shaking from the clen doesn't directly represent the stimulant activity (meaning: just because that's happening doesn't mean your body isn't wacked out and your beta receptors aren't shot from all that prolonged activity).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    IIRC, the shaking from the clen doesn't directly represent the stimulant activity (meaning: just because that's happening doesn't mean your body isn't wacked out and your beta receptors aren't shot from all that prolonged activity).
    T3 upregulates beta 2 and 3 receptors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    T3 upregulates beta 2 and 3 receptors.
    I can't imagine it would outweigh the 1-year use of ephedrine, though lol
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    Feels hot. Night sweats. Some people report getting a stimulated feeling, but I have not felt that on 50mcg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I can't imagine it would outweigh the 1-year use of ephedrine, though lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    I went from 330 lbs to 180 in twelve months on ECA. From there I went down to 137 lbs within six months. I eventually stabilized around 150.

    I started a new job, unfortunately working at a desk all day and went up to 190 lbs. After over two years on ECA, it didn't seem to have much of an effect anymore.

    I've been keeping my calories below 2000 for the past two weeks and dosing 100 mcg to 150 mcg of T3 a day, and even then I've only lost 8 lbs so far. I guess that's not a bad thing since I'd rather not lose too much muscle.

    I'm also taking 20 mg Yohimbine a day along with my 200mcg Clen. If that hasn't killed me yet I think I'll be ok.
    uh wow. I think that it might kill you yet. a year of eca, then compounding it with yohimbine and 200 mcg clen, probably straight to it with no ramping too. so much fail.
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    Wow man - I've never heard of anyone running ECA for THAT long. Your receptors must be really downregulated, so I'm surprised the clen is still working for you. Are you taking ketotifen or at least Benadryl to upregulate your receptors?

    I imagine that your doctor and most guys on here would have freaked out when you were over 300lbs and running stims like that, but you sure had some impressive results -- and you're not dead, so.... I assume you were also training and watching your diet as well. The way a lot of this stuff ends up getting banned is that some morbidly obese person thinks "oh I can just take a pill and I'll lose fat!" And they end up having a heart attack because they were in such bad shape to begin with.


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    I just ordered some adrenal reset tabs last week. After the Clen I was planning to do one more run with the ECA and then hopefully take a break for a while.

    Honestly, I was surprised the Clen even seems to have an effect on me. I shake like hell from it.
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    So I've been at 75mcs for 4 days now and I started feeling the effects pretty quickly as I've been sweating like a pig. It's been made worse by the fact that it's gotten much hotter around here lately, but the increased sweat is definitely from the T3. I've stopped taking the Katanadrol as I was breaking out like a nervous 15 year old. I bumped up the Havoc to 60mcs and I'm still using 5 pumps of Dermacrine ED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaser View Post
    Wow man - I've never heard of anyone running ECA for THAT long. Your receptors must be really downregulated, so I'm surprised the clen is still working for you. Are you taking ketotifen or at least Benadryl to upregulate your receptors?
    Yes, I take 1mg of ketotifen and 50mg diphenhydramine each night. I'm done with the Clen today anyway.

    I imagine that your doctor and most guys on here would have freaked out when you were over 300lbs and running stims like that, but you sure had some impressive results -- and you're not dead, so.... I assume you were also training and watching your diet as well. The way a lot of this stuff ends up getting banned is that some morbidly obese person thinks "oh I can just take a pill and I'll lose fat!" And they end up having a heart attack because they were in such bad shape to begin with.
    Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did.
    But I'd do it all over again anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    I went from 330 lbs to 180 in twelve months on ECA. From there I went down to 137 lbs within six months. I eventually stabilized around 150.

    I started a new job, unfortunately working at a desk all day and went up to 190 lbs. After over two years on ECA, it didn't seem to have much of an effect anymore.

    I've been keeping my calories below 2000 for the past two weeks and dosing 100 mcg to 150 mcg of T3 a day, and even then I've only lost 8 lbs so far. I guess that's not a bad thing since I'd rather not lose too much muscle.

    I'm also taking 20 mg Yohimbine a day along with my 200mcg Clen. If that hasn't killed me yet I think I'll be ok.
    WOW! Sounds like quite an accomplishment, albeit a dangerous one. I am sure you met your goals though so well done.
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    I am about a month out from a serious cut in which I am going to try and keep my size while leaning out with a combination of deficit keto, Ageforce T-2 patch, E/C (allergic to A), and Osta/S4. Cannot wait. No thread jack, just excited.

    Looking fit up there Sturm way to go.
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    Bro - u look fantastic and did phenomenal. U should be very proud of yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    Yes, I take 1mg of ketotifen and 50mg diphenhydramine each night. I'm done with the Clen today anyway.



    Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did.
    But I'd do it all over again anyaway.

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    I'm the OP and I'm not running any clen. I'm on Epi and Dermacrine. I was also running Katanadrol but I dropped it. I'm 39, 5' 10", 183#. My body fat is around 11.5-12%. My diet is high protein, low carb (not NO carb), and plenty of healthy fats. I only went into a calorie deficit when I started my Epi cycle. I'm running the Epi to combat muscle loss from the T3. I plan to stop the T3 when I start my PCT, at which time I will run Albertol, which is mildly anabolic as well as anticatabolic, and I will keep my calories in check to watch out for any rebound weight gain caused by my supressed thyroid.


    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    What's your stats.
    How much are you eating and how long have you went without a surplus of calories? You don't really feel t3 except for the first couple doses. 200 mcgs of clen is asking for trouble. Clen already is catabolic due to the low doses humans can withstand and eats protien. T3 is catabolic at doses of 50 plus mcgs. Starts burning all your carbs and preventing much glycogen storage. Eats your protien and increases calories burned by (good guess for 75 mcgs) 20 to 40. % . Coupled with clen at such high doses and some very weak ph your probably going to experience 1 of 2 things. A Witch is Rapid weight loss which will leave stretch marks depending on your bodyfat % or b if you are in the 10 to 13 % or lower your going to set yourself back 1 to 3 months in the gym due to muscle loss. Rebound weight gain are also commen with clen and t3 . T3 will also suppression your thyroid for a good month or 2 .your gonna get fat again and loose muscle. Drop the clen run @ 15 to 30 mcgs of t3 while doing some metabolic training to combat clen weight gain and then get off of t3 when pct is over so you don't gain as much fat.
    Also your probably eating muscle anyway if you have been in a negitive calorie state for longer than 14 weeks. Your body may be fed up with lipoisis
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Feels hot. Night sweats. Some people report getting a stimulated feeling, but I have not felt that on 50mcg.
    I've definitely had the night sweats the past 2 nights. It's pretty gross actually.
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    VERY impressive results! It's hard to believe you're the same person in both those photos!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr58 View Post
    Yes, I take 1mg of ketotifen and 50mg diphenhydramine each night. I'm done with the Clen today anyway.



    Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaser View Post
    I've definitely had the night sweats the past 2 nights. It's pretty gross actually.
    Bro, I have been sweating like a mofo. Slept the night at a new girls house last night and when I woke up the spot that I was lying on was soaked! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt

    What's your stats.
    How much are you eating and how long have you went without a surplus of calories? You don't really feel t3 except for the first couple doses. 200 mcgs of clen is asking for trouble. Clen already is catabolic due to the low doses humans can withstand and eats protien. T3 is catabolic at doses of 50 plus mcgs. Starts burning all your carbs and preventing much glycogen storage. Eats your protien and increases calories burned by (good guess for 75 mcgs) 20 to 40. % . Coupled with clen at such high doses and some very weak ph your probably going to experience 1 of 2 things. A Witch is Rapid weight loss which will leave stretch marks depending on your bodyfat % or b if you are in the 10 to 13 % or lower your going to set yourself back 1 to 3 months in the gym due to muscle loss. Rebound weight gain are also commen with clen and t3 . T3 will also suppression your thyroid for a good month or 2 .your gonna get fat again and loose muscle. Drop the clen run @ 15 to 30 mcgs of t3 while doing some metabolic training to combat clen weight gain and then get off of t3 when pct is over so you don't gain as much fat.
    Also your probably eating muscle anyway if you have been in a negitive calorie state for longer than 14 weeks. Your body may be fed up with lipoisis
    What would you suggest to cut with while on T3? I was just about to run a cycle of T3 and Clen but I could never hit 200mch of Clen. The highest I could get was 90mcg and even then the sides were rediculous then. One suggestion that was made is Osta to avoid your muscles being eaten. Thoughts?
  

  
 

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