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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13

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    Lol. Either way it was funny

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    Well I took my weight, waist measurement, pictures and body fat today to get an idea of where I am right now with this bad boy. I am pretty impressed with the fact I was strong as a bull on Saturday for being on such a restrictive diet. I am very happy with it.

    Here are my stats:
    2/7/2012 - 218 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 38 inches, No BF measurement
    2/13/2012 - 208 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 35.3/4 inches, BF 12.2% 182.6 Lbs LBM & 25.4 lbs fat.
    Total Changes - 10 Lbs lost, 2.25 inches lost from waist line, and not sure on bodyfat. I am thinking at least 3 lbs.
    This week I will have my BF to compare and will at least be able to tell you how much actual fat was lost this week.

    I was on point with diet all weekend. Had no issues as far as overeating. This diet has done exactly what I want, give me the resolve to stick to a diet. Now when this is over keeping to it won't be an issue at all.

    As far as my pictures go I think they tell a pretty nice story as to what is going on with my body. Fat is definitely coming down, all bloating is pretty much gone and my waist has come down nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Sounds like things are going well for you, Chris After much consideration, I have decided to give this a shot for the next couple of weeks, since I need that "kick" after everything the last few weeks!

    ~Rosie~
    It is just what the Dr ordered to get your resolve back in place. It is so restrictive that any deviance can make or break the diet. Right now I am having absolutely no problems with sticking to it at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Chris, are you doing anything in particular or special for appetite suppression? At your caloric level I would be a major a-hole. I start getting real irritable under about 1800 cals
    Yes Sir, I am using the NYC stack it is the same thing as Adipokinetix that was banned a while back has NorEphedrine, Y-HCL, Yerba Mate, and a few other things in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    208! you were 218 a week ago! lol See you were just holding a bunch of water....
    Yep, I knew there was a good bit of water but was not sure how much. I think I may have lost 3 lbs of fat but that is just a guestimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh that is a HUGE drop for sure. It has to be a lot of water but I bet he has some decent fat loss in there too
    Agreed!
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    No doubt, he coudl have dropped like 2-3 lbs of fat which is a lot for a week. You don't usually see people our size lose 10 lbs in a week. The only time I did it I was 305...
    Exactly this is working like a charm. Like I said if at the end I feel I have lost at least 4 lbs of fat I will be very happy.
    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Remember guys this isnt a regular diet. I would imagine Kleens calorie maintenance at around 2500 or so and on a PSMF he is prolly taking in a little over 1200 calories or so. So that gives him a deficit of 1300 calories a day! Or a deficit of 9000 calories a week! Loosing 3-5lbs a week isnt unheard of on a PSMF, the tricky part is preserving lbm but with the intensity kleen works out with I bet it wont be a problem for him.

    How long do you plan to stat PSMF Chris? When I did it I only planned for a week but I got used to the low calroies fast and was loving seeing the scale drop just about daily that I ended up extending it way too much.
    I am only doing it through the rest of the week. I have a UD2 style carb up this weekend then 2 weeks at maintenance, after which I will lower cals gradually to keep fat coming off and maintaining muscle mass.

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    Kleenex your the man!
    Thanks, I was starting to feel people thought I was a bit snotty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Exactly, and that's why this diet isn't intended for long periods. Perfect for short bursts of rapid loss, but it's not a sustainable way of eating.
    No definitely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    My main problems with it was after seeing how fast and easy weight loss was after the first week, I would continually lower my calorie intake (as low as 600 calories some days!!) and I barely would work out and the very few days I did I would halfass it and then I wouldnt refeed enough plus I did this for over 4 weeks.. Ad you can see my experience with is was full of mistakes, but you know what the say, hindsight is 20/20 right
    I am more trying to get that kick start, not sweating extreme weight loss. I want to keep my muscle and right now I feel like I am doing that bery well with the combo of my Aminos and the 7-oxo dhea in the Abliderate keeping cortisol under control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    Lol. Either way it was funny
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    Oh yeah by the way in the pics, I had a pump in my first pics and had just woken up in the second set so no pump in the second pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Oh yeah by the way in the pics, I had a pump in my first pics and had just woken up in the second set so no pump in the second pics.
    Hey Kleen the pic didn't show up. I think because its from another forum and you have to be a user to see it
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    2.25 off your waist is fuggin amazing, so at least 5 lbs of fat Chris... that is Nuggin Futs!! Experiment over no sense in suffering any more if you're already down to 12 % pretty decent level.
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    So you guys can't see the pic? I will attach it here if not.
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    Still no luck. For me at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So you guys can't see the pic? I will attach it here if not.
    I can see your picts just fine Bro!

    I can see a good difference, I mean it is only a week, but I can see it in your waste and I do see what you are talking about with the pump, because your shoulders definitely look more pumped in your profile picts in pict1 vs. pict2. All I can say is, we know what needs to be done, and you are doing it, consistency, consistency, consistency, besides, some people (like you and me) have had much practice in getting fat, then getting ripped, then getting fat again, and getting ripped, repeat, LoL!!!
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    Unless you got so lean you became invisible, I see no pic Kleen...
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    Okay check the post now, I uploaded them to here. Al, it must be that you have an account on the other forum with a cookie that allows you to see it or something.
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    Ok....I see them now, and i must say that is a HUGE difference in your waist. You can tell that you've lost some water and bloat elsewhere, but that abdomen is night and day. Nice work Kleen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Ok....I see them now, and i must say that is a HUGE difference in your waist. You can tell that you've lost some water and bloat elsewhere, but that abdomen is night and day. Nice work Kleen!
    I have to agree the bloating looks to have melted away like nothing! Keep up the awesome work bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay check the post now, I uploaded them to here. Al, it must be that you have an account on the other forum with a cookie that allows you to see it or something.
    What is the other Forum? IronFreakz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Ok....I see them now, and i must say that is a HUGE difference in your waist. You can tell that you've lost some water and bloat elsewhere, but that abdomen is night and day. Nice work Kleen!
    Thanks Rick!

    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    I have to agree the bloating looks to have melted away like nothing! Keep up the awesome work bro!
    Thank you Sir, hopefully I can lose a few more lbs of fat this week.
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    What is the other Forum? IronFreakz?
    Yes Sir.
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    Ill be happy if I get half that by next Monday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    My main problems with it was after seeing how fast and easy weight loss was after the first week, I would continually lower my calorie intake (as low as 600 calories some days!!) and I barely would work out and the very few days I did I would halfass it and then I wouldnt refeed enough plus I did this for over 4 weeks.. Ad you can see my experience with is was full of mistakes, but you know what the say, hindsight is 20/20 right
    yea this was my main problem.. I took the PSMF to like a 10 week diet. Combined with IF I went for like 20 hr fasts and I'd just do like 1 protein shake post workout and drink soup so that I wouldn't be hungry.... I didn't lose weight after like week 5 and my strength disappeared... tried to make up strength with just adding more workout days but yea... that didn't work, but like you say 20/20 hindsight lol.
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    Nice progress man!! Looks like you are well on your way to shredding up.
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    Just ran across your post! Man your getting it done! I want to try your diet but man! I am starving by 11 am. Lol are you not hungry on cardio days?
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    Awesome progress so far. Dude you packed on some size a lot with that fat/bloat so this will probably be for the better once you get to a BF where you are comfortable. Your tri's are looking crazy.

    I can see you tightening up around the back/hips, midsection, etc. Very noticeable.

    I typically deload from training every 4th week. What do you think about running something like this every deload week, in order to reduce some bloat/fat accumulated over the previous weeks? I am wondering if this would allow me to push calories a bit more then I would typically, and then run a diet like this every 4th week.

    Do you have any clue what has changed from the first to second edition of this diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Awesome progress so far. Dude you packed on some size a lot with that fat/bloat so this will probably be for the better once you get to a BF where you are comfortable. Your tri's are looking crazy.

    I can see you tightening up around the back/hips, midsection, etc. Very noticeable.

    I typically deload from training every 4th week. What do you think about running something like this every deload week, in order to reduce some bloat/fat accumulated over the previous weeks? I am wondering if this would allow me to push calories a bit more then I would typically, and then run a diet like this every 4th week.

    Do you have any clue what has changed from the first to second edition of this diet?
    I'm not really that smart in this but I know Layne norton advocates something he called "culking" where he does a bulk for like 3-4 weeks then cuts back his cals to cut levels for 1-2 weeks to "clean up". He said you shouldn't notice a drop in performance in the first couple weeks of controlled dieting so you should still be able to do the same workload as you do on more calories and before the lack of food catches up with you, you start bulking again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I'm not really that smart in this but I know Layne norton advocates something he called "culking" where he does a bulk for like 3-4 weeks then cuts back his cals to cut levels for 1-2 weeks to "clean up". He said you shouldn't notice a drop in performance in the first couple weeks of controlled dieting so you should still be able to do the same workload as you do on more calories and before the lack of food catches up with you, you start bulking again.
    Yea I have read a bit into his thoughts and typically use a more like 8-12wk of "bulking" 2-4 of diet. But with my new training schedule, this might be perfect. Just tough out one week on 1000 calories, and back to increased calories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post

    I typically deload from training every 4th week. What do you think about running something like this every deload week, in order to reduce some bloat/fat accumulated over the previous weeks? I am wondering if this would allow me to push calories a bit more then I would typically, and then run a diet like this every 4th week.
    Why not just go keto during the deload week? Muscle preservation and keeps your thyroid and metabolism happy

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    Do you have any clue what has changed from the first to second edition of this diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Why not just go keto during the deload week? Muscle preservation and keeps your thyroid and metabolism happy



    There is a second version of this? I only know of one
    Might be talking about the stubborn fat loss protocol?
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    Yes the current one says second edition.

    Do you propose going keto but not into such a huge deficit?

    I'm not worried about muscle preservation honestly. I hold muscle like nobody's business.lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag

    Might be talking about the stubborn fat loss protocol?
    No I'm talking about the second edition of this book. It clearly states it was updated and this is the second edition. I'm wondering what changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Might be talking about the stubborn fat loss protocol?
    I havent read that one yet but I do want to order it and give it a read sometime

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    Yes the current one says second edition.
    Ahhh I see. My book says first edition so I dont know how much of it has changed.. I wonder what edition Chris has? My book is the first version and says 2005 as the copyright.. Hmm now you got me wondering how much has changed. The second edition was copywritten in 2008.. Thats 3 years later. Hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Do you propose going keto but not into such a huge deficit?

    I'm not worried about muscle preservation honestly. I hold muscle like nobody's business.lol
    Its what I would do. I couldnt imagine going on a PSMF diet every 4 weeks but i guess if muscle loss isnt a concern for you then give it a try and see how it is for you. Remember N=1 is all that matters
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    Yea I am curious as to what is different in the second edition if anything at all.. I also have the first.

    I operate fairly well on low calories. I often touch 13-1400 calories a few days a week plus 90 min cardio a day deep into a diet, so a week shouldn't be that bad.

    We will see what happens. I might just run my typical deep cut diet, for a week, right from my current high calorie level.

    Sorry for the mini-hijack Kleen.
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    Here are a few things I think changed from the first version if I remember correctly. He went from saying you could eat unlimited amounts of most veggies to controlled portions, added in the EFA requirement, and some other stuff I can't remember. I honestly have only skimmed the 2nd edition and never read the first, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that those were things that changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Here are a few things I think changed from the first version if I remember correctly. He went from saying you could eat unlimited amounts of most veggies to controlled portions, added in the EFA requirement, and some other stuff I can't remember. I honestly have only skimmed the 2nd edition and never read the first, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that those were things that changed.
    Yah I have done hard cuts where veggies like brocolli were free.. as they probably burn mor cals to digest than they actually have in them. You can attain a real hate for veggies after a while though.
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    Hey bro I just finished reading through your whole log. Looks like you psmf is doing the trick. I can definitely see a big difference around your midesection an your upper back! I've packed on a few pounds with the festive season so this might be what I need to get back in the zone! Keep killing it kleen!
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