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  1. Have you taken any caliper measurements to give an initial reading to start for your bodyfat % to go along with the starting weight and pics?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Have you taken any caliper measurements to give an initial reading to start for your bodyfat % to go along with the starting weight and pics?
    I wish, I looked around for my calipers and couldn't find them anywhere. I think I remember them actually getting broken a while back. It would be nice because it would show my lbm changes however we both know that my LBM is going to change drastically anyway from the glycogen and water loss, since water is actually part of LBM. I will look around again tonight. I ended up with more stuff to do at home last night so I could only look in the suspect places. I do think there is one of those Impedence type things somewhere in the tunnel but I don't think any of those are really accurate. If nothing else I will take more measurements tonight so I have something else to compare against.
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  3. My go to snack when I did PSMF was 1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 2tbsp sugar free/fat free cool whip and 1tbsp sugar free pistachio pudding mix. Make a very nice treat.

    I also ate LOTS of ground turkey and egg whites
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I can't believe that video clip!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpV...layer_embedded

    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything
    MG... I both agree and disagree with... "Wow American we are so fooled by everything"

    My Dad taught me something back in the day (When the Men were Men and the sheep were Nervous) and it has stuck with me every since... "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!" I have ignored that and listened to it throughout my life, but if I ask myself that question before jumping into something or believing something it almost never fails! It is unfortunate, but we as Americans, as a society, we have just grown accustomed to a quick-fix, a magic pill to lower your cholesterol, a shot to quit smoking, pills to lose weight, etc. etc. etc. So I agree because as Americans or just plain old as Consumers, we should be smart enough to differentiate between the real stuff and the $hit, but at the same time, advertisers are good at what they do, they are highly trained professionals at taking our money (same way a stripper in a strip-club is trained to take your money) and they say and do all the right things to make you believe especially when it is something that is so important to you or that you want soooo bad! So Shame on us for believing their lies, but shame on them for lying and even trying to deceive us!!!
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  5. Yah that's what I figured ... a kind of slap in the face thing....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    My go to snack when I did PSMF was 1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 2tbsp sugar free/fat free cool whip and 1tbsp sugar free pistachio pudding mix. Make a very nice treat.

    I also ate LOTS of ground turkey and egg whites
    MMMM that sounds good. As far as the ground turkey were you using 97/3 or 99/1? For the most part all I have is the 93/7 which is to high fat intake for what I am doing right now. I don't know how much fat actually cooks off of it say in a foreman grill or whatever, so I am avoiding it for the most part. If I try to get 80 grams of protein out of it I will be taking in a high yield of fat bringing it up to high.

    Do you have any idea in general how much of the fats get cooked off when grilling? If not too bad maybe I will add it in. If not then I am going to suck it up for the next 8 days and then revisit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    MG... I both agree and disagree with... "Wow American we are so fooled by everything"

    My Dad taught me something back in the day (When the Men were Men and the sheep were Nervous) and it has stuck with me every since... "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!" I have ignored that and listened to it throughout my life, but if I ask myself that question before jumping into something or believing something it almost never fails! It is unfortunate, but we as Americans, as a society, we have just grown accustomed to a quick-fix, a magic pill to lower your cholesterol, a shot to quit smoking, pills to lose weight, etc. etc. etc. So I agree because as Americans or just plain old as Consumers, we should be smart enough to differentiate between the real stuff and the $hit, but at the same time, advertisers are good at what they do, they are highly trained professionals at taking our money (same way a stripper in a strip-club is trained to take your money) and they say and do all the right things to make you believe especially when it is something that is so important to you or that you want soooo bad! So Shame on us for believing their lies, but shame on them for lying and even trying to deceive us!!!
    Yeah if anyone looks at the Asteroid Stack Manual I am on the cover of, they used a 4 year old before picture and a 4 weeks out from a contest picture as my before and afters. I signed a release they could use my pics and they used one I had sent them before to show how far i had come like it was 12 weeks from the chunky me to the 5.25% me.
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  7. Marc Lobliner has a video on youtube (maybe under machine muscle page idk) on how to get rid of the extra fat from fatty ground beef etc. You start with some vegetable oil in a pan, heat it up, and toss in the meat. At the same time you are boiling a huge pot of water. After cooking/browning the meat for like 10min you drain the fat with a collander and then pour the boiling water over the meat. He had it linked to a university study proving the method works at getting the fatty meat down to about the same amount of fat as skinless chicken breast. The video will tell you exactly what to do as I summarized it (poorly I bet) and you can try it out. He is big on getting organic grass fed meat etc and it he said he uses that method a lot to reduce the fat content.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Marc Lobliner has a video on youtube (maybe under machine muscle page idk) on how to get rid of the extra fat from fatty ground beef etc. You start with some vegetable oil in a pan, heat it up, and toss in the meat. At the same time you are boiling a huge pot of water. After cooking/browning the meat for like 10min you drain the fat with a collander and then pour the boiling water over the meat. He had it linked to a university study proving the method works at getting the fatty meat down to about the same amount of fat as skinless chicken breast. The video will tell you exactly what to do as I summarized it (poorly I bet) and you can try it out. He is big on getting organic grass fed meat etc and it he said he uses that method a lot to reduce the fat content.
    I have used hot water to get rid of fat but never thought of boiling...
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    My go to snack when I did PSMF was 1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 2tbsp sugar free/fat free cool whip and 1tbsp sugar free pistachio pudding mix. Make a very nice treat.
    That sounds delicious!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    MMMM that sounds good. As far as the ground turkey were you using 97/3 or 99/1? For the most part all I have is the 93/7 which is to high fat intake for what I am doing right now. I don't know how much fat actually cooks off of it say in a foreman grill or whatever, so I am avoiding it for the most part. If I try to get 80 grams of protein out of it I will be taking in a high yield of fat bringing it up to high.

    Do you have any idea in general how much of the fats get cooked off when grilling? If not too bad maybe I will add it in. If not then I am going to suck it up for the next 8 days and then revisit.
    From my experience with PSMF I dont feel the extra bit of dietary fat made much of a difference overall with regards to fat loss. The extreme calorie deficit, the 20+ hours of fasting and ECA all played a much bigger role in fat loss. However I did do the paper towel trick when I was browning my ground turkey, to try and soak up some of the excess fat but I wasnt really too anal about it. As long as I hit my protein macros and avoided sugar and fat as much as possible the fat loss remained constant. I was on PSMF for around 5 weeks with one refeed a week and one cheat meal a week. The onlything ai regretted was not training as much as I should have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    That sounds delicious!
    It is pretty good..I have tried with other sugar free pudding flavors and so far pistachio has been the best! I got some ice cream salt and have been meaning to try and make a frozen yogurt type ice cream with the cottage cheese but never got around to it but the cottage cheese dessert helped keep me sane during the diet.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Marc Lobliner has a video on youtube (maybe under machine muscle page idk) on how to get rid of the extra fat from fatty ground beef etc. You start with some vegetable oil in a pan, heat it up, and toss in the meat. At the same time you are boiling a huge pot of water. After cooking/browning the meat for like 10min you drain the fat with a collander and then pour the boiling water over the meat. He had it linked to a university study proving the method works at getting the fatty meat down to about the same amount of fat as skinless chicken breast. The video will tell you exactly what to do as I summarized it (poorly I bet) and you can try it out. He is big on getting organic grass fed meat etc and it he said he uses that method a lot to reduce the fat content.
    I do that sometimes. Well I run hot water over the meat in the strainer. However I cook with the 93/7 pretty much all the time and typically the fat is not a problem. I was thinking more along the lines of a turkey patty, but I could brown some up and do that then toss back on the heat with some onions and bell peppers and crushed red peppers and make myself happy with that.

    At Wendy's this is how they get the chili to be low fat. They take the burger meat and cook it then they boil it in a huge pot, skim the fat off the top put the meat in a strainer and then boil it again to get rid of any excess fat before dumping it into the chili sauce and veggies to cook for several hours.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I have used hot water to get rid of fat but never thought of boiling...
    Exactly, I use hot water, and it works really well. I tend to add a little more season to it after this though because it washes some of it away.
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  12. Taco salad was another one of my favorite meals while on PSMF. Ground turkey with taco seasoning, fat free shredded cheese, fat free sour cream, some hot sauce and salsa all on top a big azz bowl of greens.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    MMMM that sounds good. As far as the ground turkey were you using 97/3 or 99/1? For the most part all I have is the 93/7 which is to high fat intake for what I am doing right now. I don't know how much fat actually cooks off of it say in a foreman grill or whatever, so I am avoiding it for the most part. If I try to get 80 grams of protein out of it I will be taking in a high yield of fat bringing it up to high.

    Do you have any idea in general how much of the fats get cooked off when grilling? If not too bad maybe I will add it in. If not then I am going to suck it up for the next 8 days and then revisit.

    Yeah if anyone looks at the Asteroid Stack Manual I am on the cover of, they used a 4 year old before picture and a 4 weeks out from a contest picture as my before and afters. I signed a release they could use my pics and they used one I had sent them before to show how far i had come like it was 12 weeks from the chunky me to the 5.25% me.
    Thats right Scott Tucker. Lol
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Exactly, I use hot water, and it works really well. I tend to add a little more season to it after this though because it washes some of it away.
    Hah the wife scored 8 bottles of Spicy Mesquite my fav bbq seasoning... hard to find... oh that reminds me I have to tell her to get the tanks filled. We bbq in any weather lol
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  15. Ya know, I always rinse a lot of my meats and stuff, I always really did it to lower the sodium, but now that you guys are mentioning that sounds like a fantastic idea, I think I'm gonna go home get some 93/7 ground beef like Kleen said and fry it up, then boil it one time to lean it up even more, then make myself some good homestyle CHILE.... Yeah!!! Does anyone else use Rotelli chiles in their Chile & I also always use a little tomato paste?
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Hah the wife scored 8 bottles of Spicy Mesquite my fav bbq seasoning... hard to find... oh that reminds me I have to tell her to get the tanks filled. We bbq in any weather lol
    Hmmm... Spicy mesquite you say.. Sounds yummy! What brand is it? Gonna check if they have it at walmart
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Hmmm... Spicy mesquite you say.. Sounds yummy! What brand is it? Gonna check if they have it at walmart
    Clubhouse... that's the people who make Montreal Steak Spice and that is also very highly recommended, use both on your steak... man!!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ya know, I always rinse a lot of my meats and stuff, I always really did it to lower the sodium, but now that you guys are mentioning that sounds like a fantastic idea, I think I'm gonna go home get some 93/7 ground beef like Kleen said and fry it up, then boil it one time to lean it up even more, then make myself some good homestyle CHILE.... Yeah!!! Does anyone else use Rotelli chiles in their Chile & I also always use a little tomato paste?
    Are they spicy or add a kick to the chili?

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Clubhouse... that's the people who make Montreal Steak Spice and that is also very highly recommended, use both on your steak... man!!
    Thanks!

    I will check out the grocery store and see if they have them. I usually use a steak seasoning that my butcher makes but am always looking to try new things
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Are they spicy or add a kick to the chili?
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Taco salad was another one of my favorite meals while on PSMF. Ground turkey with taco seasoning, fat free shredded cheese, fat free sour cream, some hot sauce and salsa all on top a big azz bowl of greens.
    I definitely do this for my taco salab but generally I don't put the cheese or sour cream on it just the meat, salsa and veggies. So let me ask you this Josh, how low did you keep your calories daily? It sounds like you may have had them higher than I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    Thats right Scott Tucker. Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Hah the wife scored 8 bottles of Spicy Mesquite my fav bbq seasoning... hard to find... oh that reminds me I have to tell her to get the tanks filled. We bbq in any weather lol
    I don't blame you. That spicy season sounds good. I can't use most of the Montreal Steak Seasoning for a lot of stuff. The family doesn't like the chunks of garlic. I like to add some crushed red pepper or cayenne to a lot of my meats. I just season them with the rest of the family's stuff then add my spicy ingredients...
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ya know, I always rinse a lot of my meats and stuff, I always really did it to lower the sodium, but now that you guys are mentioning that sounds like a fantastic idea, I think I'm gonna go home get some 93/7 ground beef like Kleen said and fry it up, then boil it one time to lean it up even more, then make myself some good homestyle CHILE.... Yeah!!! Does anyone else use Rotelli chiles in their Chile & I also always use a little tomato paste?
    I make mine kind of a mix between Northern and Souther Style Chili. One I like beans in my chili, tow I prefer my chili to have more tomato flavor than many of them provide, and yes on occasion I will use rotel but I drain the juice. I prefer to used stewed tomato and occasionally I wil use paste but most of the time I use tomato sauce.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
    No this one isn't hot, but I love the habanero version. It surprised me the first time I had it. I really didn't expect much even though it said habanero, too often they put that on there but there is no heat.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I definitely do this for my taco salab but generally I don't put the cheese or sour cream on it just the meat, salsa and veggies. So let me ask you this Josh, how low did you keep your calories daily? It sounds like you may have had them higher than I do.
    800-1200 calories I think, I would have to double check to find out
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
    mmmmm, Hot rotel and velveta cheese for the best nacho dip.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle View Post
    mmmmm, Hot rotel and velveta cheese for the best nacho dip.
    Holy-$hit I concur!!!
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  24. Add in some browned ground turkey with the Rotel and some fat free cream cheese and it's off the hook(of course with Velveeta too)

  25. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    Taco salad was another one of my favorite meals while on PSMF. Ground turkey with taco seasoning, fat free shredded cheese, fat free sour cream, some hot sauce and salsa all on top a big azz bowl of greens.
    I do this all the time on burn days and love it, except I use 97/3 lean ground meat instead. Good stuff!!
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