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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Hah the wife scored 8 bottles of Spicy Mesquite my fav bbq seasoning... hard to find... oh that reminds me I have to tell her to get the tanks filled. We bbq in any weather lol
    Hmmm... Spicy mesquite you say.. Sounds yummy! What brand is it? Gonna check if they have it at walmart
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Hmmm... Spicy mesquite you say.. Sounds yummy! What brand is it? Gonna check if they have it at walmart
    Clubhouse... that's the people who make Montreal Steak Spice and that is also very highly recommended, use both on your steak... man!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ya know, I always rinse a lot of my meats and stuff, I always really did it to lower the sodium, but now that you guys are mentioning that sounds like a fantastic idea, I think I'm gonna go home get some 93/7 ground beef like Kleen said and fry it up, then boil it one time to lean it up even more, then make myself some good homestyle CHILE.... Yeah!!! Does anyone else use Rotelli chiles in their Chile & I also always use a little tomato paste?
    Are they spicy or add a kick to the chili?

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Clubhouse... that's the people who make Montreal Steak Spice and that is also very highly recommended, use both on your steak... man!!
    Thanks!

    I will check out the grocery store and see if they have them. I usually use a steak seasoning that my butcher makes but am always looking to try new things
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Are they spicy or add a kick to the chili?
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Taco salad was another one of my favorite meals while on PSMF. Ground turkey with taco seasoning, fat free shredded cheese, fat free sour cream, some hot sauce and salsa all on top a big azz bowl of greens.
    I definitely do this for my taco salab but generally I don't put the cheese or sour cream on it just the meat, salsa and veggies. So let me ask you this Josh, how low did you keep your calories daily? It sounds like you may have had them higher than I do.

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    Thats right Scott Tucker. Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Hah the wife scored 8 bottles of Spicy Mesquite my fav bbq seasoning... hard to find... oh that reminds me I have to tell her to get the tanks filled. We bbq in any weather lol
    I don't blame you. That spicy season sounds good. I can't use most of the Montreal Steak Seasoning for a lot of stuff. The family doesn't like the chunks of garlic. I like to add some crushed red pepper or cayenne to a lot of my meats. I just season them with the rest of the family's stuff then add my spicy ingredients...
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ya know, I always rinse a lot of my meats and stuff, I always really did it to lower the sodium, but now that you guys are mentioning that sounds like a fantastic idea, I think I'm gonna go home get some 93/7 ground beef like Kleen said and fry it up, then boil it one time to lean it up even more, then make myself some good homestyle CHILE.... Yeah!!! Does anyone else use Rotelli chiles in their Chile & I also always use a little tomato paste?
    I make mine kind of a mix between Northern and Souther Style Chili. One I like beans in my chili, tow I prefer my chili to have more tomato flavor than many of them provide, and yes on occasion I will use rotel but I drain the juice. I prefer to used stewed tomato and occasionally I wil use paste but most of the time I use tomato sauce.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
    No this one isn't hot, but I love the habanero version. It surprised me the first time I had it. I really didn't expect much even though it said habanero, too often they put that on there but there is no heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I definitely do this for my taco salab but generally I don't put the cheese or sour cream on it just the meat, salsa and veggies. So let me ask you this Josh, how low did you keep your calories daily? It sounds like you may have had them higher than I do.
    800-1200 calories I think, I would have to double check to find out
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Josh... I totally said it "Bass Ackwards" sorry about that! Rotel diced tomatoes and green chiles...

    No, this does not necessarily make it hot, but if you think it does, there is extra-mild version, I personally look for the Extra-Hot version or the Habanero version, because I do like things _HOT_!!!
    mmmmm, Hot rotel and velveta cheese for the best nacho dip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle View Post
    mmmmm, Hot rotel and velveta cheese for the best nacho dip.
    Holy-$hit I concur!!!
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    Add in some browned ground turkey with the Rotel and some fat free cream cheese and it's off the hook(of course with Velveeta too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    Taco salad was another one of my favorite meals while on PSMF. Ground turkey with taco seasoning, fat free shredded cheese, fat free sour cream, some hot sauce and salsa all on top a big azz bowl of greens.
    I do this all the time on burn days and love it, except I use 97/3 lean ground meat instead. Good stuff!!
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    A-holes! I need to unSUB from this thread before I go break my fast early!

    I kid I kid... but I am seriously going to the store in a bit to try some of these!
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    Josh, I forgot you said you were eating in a 4 hour window so your calories look pretty much on point with mine.

    I can't even remember the last time I made some queso dip. For the most part I would rather eat hot salsa than cheesy stuff. I like it don't get me wrong but unless I am having a social function it is not something I make. Just to calorically dense and then add in the calorically dense chips and forget about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    Josh, I forgot you said you were eating in a 4 hour window so your calories look pretty much on point with mine.

    I can't even remember the last time I made some queso dip. For the most part I would rather eat hot salsa than cheesy stuff. I like it don't get me wrong but unless I am having a social function it is not something I make. Just to calorically dense and then add in the calorically dense chips and forget about it.
    Yeh....chips and con queso makes me very bloated the next day. Lots of carbs and lots of sodium is hell on the midsection
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    I do this all the time on burn days and love it, except I use 97/3 lean ground meat instead. Good stuff!!
    I do the same - sometimes I change things up and use some fish. I also like to use greek yogurt instead of sour cream for a bit of extra protein.
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    Progress Update!


    Okay just an update here,
    but a good one.


    Yesterday at lunch I walked
    for 80 minutes to burn of some time and avoid accruing too much OT. Last night
    at Karate I got to work alone with the instructor and he drilled me nonstop for
    45 minutes. I was just dripping everywhere and completely soaked my gi. Was a
    great training session.

    I had a good workout this
    morning, I was sweating buckets and pushing hard. I can tell the low cals are
    taking a small toll on my strength but that was pretty much a given when going
    to extremely low carbs whether cals are low or not.



    Now for my nutrition
    yesterday. I held out until almost 5PM before breaking my fast and had 2 scoops
    of recover pro every 2 hours until then. Since in a hurry and I had Karate class
    last night I hit up a protein shake. Last night we had turkey spaghetti (meat
    strained and rinsed) so I weighed the meat “sauce” out to 13 Oz and ate that. We
    use 2.5 lbs of meat per 1 can of sauce so I estimate I ended up with cup of
    actual sauce along with it which adds 9 grams of carbs. I was careful to get the
    meat off of the top of the pan so it would be the dryest meat possible.

    MRM Metabolic Whey
    -
    3 scoops = 66 grams protein, 7.5g fats, 9 carbs - 361.5 cals

    12 oz 93/7 ground turkey
    with a little spaghetti sauce
    - 92 grams protein, 36 fats, 9g carbs - 728
    calories.

    1 cup Fat Free cottage
    cheese
    - 26g protein, 0 fats, 10g carbs = 144 cals

    Daily total not
    including 40 grams of aminos:
    184 grams protein,
    43.5g fats, 28g carbs = 1233


    Now this was a bit low on
    protein but it was not a workout day and I had PLENTY of aminos
    throughout the day. I also balanced it out calorically by getting in more fat.
    Not what I wanted that but it is how it worked out. Either way I am still happy
    with the calories for the day.


    On to other things that
    I am happy about. I said i would not weigh myself until this weekend but I was
    curious so I got on the scale this morning. I started the diet on Monday
    2/6/12 at a whopping 218 lbs, I weighed in this morning and I am 210.5.
    Now
    I know quite a bit of this is water but I was floating around 213 before I
    carbed up, so I am thinking I have at least lost 1-1.5 lbs of fat, and that is
    in 3 complete days on the crash diet. I am pretty damned stoked about that but
    we will see how it all works out next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve

    I do the same - sometimes I change things up and use some fish. I also like to use greek yogurt instead of sour cream for a bit of extra protein.
    That's a very good idea with plain Greek yogurt. I may try that sometime soon
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    As far as Mesquite is concerned couldn't you go chop down a tree and put it in the wood chipper ? Being in Texas and all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Josh, I forgot you said you were eating in a 4 hour window so your calories look pretty much on point with mine.
    it makes life easier plus it is more satisfying eating 1-2 big meals in a short time rather then trying to stretch it out over the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I do the same - sometimes I change things up and use some fish. I also like to use greek yogurt instead of sour cream for a bit of extra protein.
    What kind of fish?

    I have been wanting to try some new ways to make fish
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    it makes life easier plus it is more satisfying eating 1-2 big meals in a short time rather then trying to stretch it out over the day
    Yah I likes the big eat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay just an update here,
    but a good one.


    Yesterday at lunch I walked
    for 80 minutes to burn of some time and avoid accruing too much OT. Last night
    at Karate I got to work alone with the instructor and he drilled me nonstop for
    45 minutes. I was just dripping everywhere and completely soaked my gi. Was a
    great training session.

    I had a good workout this
    morning, I was sweating buckets and pushing hard. I can tell the low cals are
    taking a small toll on my strength but that was pretty much a given when going
    to extremely low carbs whether cals are low or not.



    Now for my nutrition
    yesterday. I held out until almost 5PM before breaking my fast and had 2 scoops
    of recover pro every 2 hours until then. Since in a hurry and I had Karate class
    last night I hit up a protein shake. Last night we had turkey spaghetti (meat
    strained and rinsed) so I weighed the meat “sauce” out to 13 Oz and ate that. We
    use 2.5 lbs of meat per 1 can of sauce so I estimate I ended up with cup of
    actual sauce along with it which adds 9 grams of carbs. I was careful to get the
    meat off of the top of the pan so it would be the dryest meat possible.

    MRM Metabolic Whey
    -
    3 scoops = 66 grams protein, 7.5g fats, 9 carbs - 361.5 cals

    12 oz 93/7 ground turkey
    with a little spaghetti sauce
    - 92 grams protein, 36 fats, 9g carbs - 728
    calories.

    1 cup Fat Free cottage
    cheese
    - 26g protein, 0 fats, 10g carbs = 144 cals

    Daily total not
    including 40 grams of aminos:
    184 grams protein,
    43.5g fats, 28g carbs = 1233


    Now this was a bit low on
    protein but it was not a workout day and I had PLENTY of aminos
    throughout the day. I also balanced it out calorically by getting in more fat.
    Not what I wanted that but it is how it worked out. Either way I am still happy
    with the calories for the day.


    On to other things that
    I am happy about. I said i would not weigh myself until this weekend but I was
    curious so I got on the scale this morning. I started the diet on Monday
    2/6/12 at a whopping 218 lbs, I weighed in this morning and I am 210.5.
    Now
    I know quite a bit of this is water but I was floating around 213 before I
    carbed up, so I am thinking I have at least lost 1-1.5 lbs of fat, and that is
    in 3 complete days on the crash diet. I am pretty damned stoked about that but
    we will see how it all works out next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Kleen... Awesome Bro, Love your Logging style, Love the detail, story telling, etc. Very personable, always a great read and I look forward to all your updates!!!
    Thanks Al! I am enjoying running the log. I am surprised no one actually mentioned the fact that the post says I have lost 7.5 lbs in 3 days. I am extremely impressed whether it is mostly water or not I have never dropped weight so quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    Thanks Al! I am enjoying running the log. I am surprised no one actually mentioned the fact that the post says I have lost 7.5 lbs in 3 days. I am extremely impressed whether it is mostly water or not I have never dropped weight so quickly.
    I am not surprised. Everyone knows your that good. Lol.. Congrats brother. You're kicking my butt so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    I am not surprised. Everyone knows your that good. Lol.. Congrats brother. You're kicking my butt so far.
    So to give you an idea of how inaccurate the impedence body fat machines are. You said your body fat measured 27 on one the other day. My bodyfat read 26.4 on one today. I did it for sh*ts and giggles, knowing I am somewhat dehydrated and expecting to see a higher reading than what I am but that was pretty far off. That was surprising.
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    Not doubting it. Your sure it didn't give you the bmi. That is never right..cause it is based on height and weight not actual bodyfat
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    No it said my bmi was like 32. Either way it had me in the obese range for both on the chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A-holes! I need to unSUB from this thread before I go break my fast early!

    I kid I kid... but I am seriously going to the store in a bit to try some of these!
    You guys must have thought I was joking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay just an update here,
    but a good one.


    Yesterday at lunch I walked
    for 80 minutes to burn of some time and avoid accruing too much OT. Last night
    at Karate I got to work alone with the instructor and he drilled me nonstop for
    45 minutes. I was just dripping everywhere and completely soaked my gi. Was a
    great training session.

    I had a good workout this
    morning, I was sweating buckets and pushing hard. I can tell the low cals are
    taking a small toll on my strength but that was pretty much a given when going
    to extremely low carbs whether cals are low or not.



    Now for my nutrition
    yesterday. I held out until almost 5PM before breaking my fast and had 2 scoops
    of recover pro every 2 hours until then. Since in a hurry and I had Karate class
    last night I hit up a protein shake. Last night we had turkey spaghetti (meat
    strained and rinsed) so I weighed the meat “sauce” out to 13 Oz and ate that. We
    use 2.5 lbs of meat per 1 can of sauce so I estimate I ended up with cup of
    actual sauce along with it which adds 9 grams of carbs. I was careful to get the
    meat off of the top of the pan so it would be the dryest meat possible.

    MRM Metabolic Whey
    -
    3 scoops = 66 grams protein, 7.5g fats, 9 carbs - 361.5 cals

    12 oz 93/7 ground turkey
    with a little spaghetti sauce
    - 92 grams protein, 36 fats, 9g carbs - 728
    calories.

    1 cup Fat Free cottage
    cheese
    - 26g protein, 0 fats, 10g carbs = 144 cals

    Daily total not
    including 40 grams of aminos:
    184 grams protein,
    43.5g fats, 28g carbs = 1233


    Now this was a bit low on
    protein but it was not a workout day and I had PLENTY of aminos
    throughout the day. I also balanced it out calorically by getting in more fat.
    Not what I wanted that but it is how it worked out. Either way I am still happy
    with the calories for the day.


    On to other things that
    I am happy about. I said i would not weigh myself until this weekend but I was
    curious so I got on the scale this morning. I started the diet on Monday
    2/6/12 at a whopping 218 lbs, I weighed in this morning and I am 210.5.
    Now
    I know quite a bit of this is water but I was floating around 213 before I
    carbed up, so I am thinking I have at least lost 1-1.5 lbs of fat, and that is
    in 3 complete days on the crash diet. I am pretty damned stoked about that but
    we will see how it all works out next week.
    Thats fricken awesome so far bro! It sounds like this method could be pretty legit! I'd be happy at this point if I was losing 2 lbs a week on LG let along 1.5+ of fat in 3 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    No it said my bmi was like 32. Either way it had me in the obese range for both on the chart.
    Lol fatty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    No it said my bmi was like 32. Either way it had me in the obese range for both on the chart.
    Yah BMI is the stupidest measurement ever invented. Says I am supposed to be no heavier than 185, if I was 185 I'd be dead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

    Yah BMI is the stupidest measurement ever invented. Says I am supposed to be no heavier than 185, if I was 185 I'd be dead...
    Agreed bmi is crazy.
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