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    IMHO, an anti-cort supplement be more worthwhile here.

    He will obviously be catabolic to a degree and supps like are highly effective at mitigating and/or at the very least modulating cortisol levels.

    LeanXtreme has invariably been a staple for me during cutting stages for years b/c it flat out works.



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    Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.
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    Wow. Thanks for the tip. I wonder what the point of adding vegetable oil to the frying pan is though. LOL

    Adding more fat to ......just.......get rid of the fat

    Back OT: Good luck Kleen!



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    Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.
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    Marc Lobliner has a video on youtube (maybe under machine muscle page idk) on how to get rid of the extra fat from fatty ground beef etc. You start with some vegetable oil in a pan, heat it up, and toss in the meat. At the same time you are boiling a huge pot of water. After cooking/browning the meat for like 10min you drain the fat with a collander and then pour the boiling water over the meat. He had it linked to a university study proving the method works at getting the fatty meat down to about the same amount of fat as skinless chicken breast. The video will tell you exactly what to do as I summarized it (poorly I bet) and you can try it out. He is big on getting organic grass fed meat etc and it he said he uses that method a lot to reduce the fat content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Wow. Thanks for the tip. I wonder what the point of adding vegetable oil to the frying pan is though. LOL

    Adding more fat to ......just.......get rid of the fat

    Back OT: Good luck Kleen!


    Whats the
    Hell idk man. Something scientific and whatnot... Last night I cooked my beef drained, boiled the beef, then rinsed it too. Damn 8.5lb 80/20 beef became like 5lb cooked lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah BMI is the stupidest measurement ever invented...
    ^^^Agreed. It's useless for anyone other than sedentary individuals and means NOTHING unless you are as such.

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    haha

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    Hell idk man. Something scientific and whatnot... Last night I cooked my beef drained, boiled the beef, then rinsed it too. Damn 8.5lb 80/20 beef became like 5lb cooked lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    IMHO, an anti-cort supplement be more worthwhile here.

    He will obviously be catabolic to a degree and supps like are highly effective at mitigating and/or at the very least modulating cortisol levels.

    LeanXtreme has invariably been a staple for me during cutting stages for years b/c it flat out works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    So to give you an idea of how inaccurate the impedence body fat machines are. You said your body fat measured 27 on one the other day. My bodyfat read 26.4 on one today. I did it for sh*ts and giggles, knowing I am somewhat dehydrated and expecting to see a higher reading than what I am but that was pretty far off. That was surprising.
    Agreed bro. I have an impedance measuring device (handheld) that I use to help measure progress, but not bodyfat. Its bodyfat reading is way off from the actual. If I am holding a bunch of water it can read as high as 10-11% and if I am dry it reads 7-8%. I can also get it to read a 2% swing just by the way I hold it. I just use now to measure progress, but even that is hard to be very accurate with the same measuring conditions.

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    No major updates today, I did not go do cardio this morning. I know I should have but I was just so damn tired when I woke up I decided to sleep more instead. Also, according to the diet book you don't really need to do cardio, and anything above low intensity is advised against to prevent catabolism so I stayed in bed.

    Yesterdays Nutrition -
    Fast breaker - 3 grilled chicken breast from Wendys with mustard and jalapenos. According to Wendy's website the nutrients in the came out to 78g protein, 4.5g fat and 3g carbs, add in 1 cup of cottage cheese and that comes to 104g protein, 4.5 fat, and 13 carbs.
    Dinner - 16 oz chicken breast - 1 cup green beans. 112 grams protein, 16 grams fat, trace carbs in green beans.

    Daily totals - 216 Protein, 20.5 fat, 13 carbs - 1100.5 cals
    Protein was 1.27 x LBM still within the 1.25-1.5 range I am going for. I also had 40 grams of aminos yesterday.

    If I feel like it I may go ahead and do a little cardio on my elliptical when I get home however that is VERY unlikely.

    Oh yeah today at our lunch meeting the boss has ordered this awesome lasagna, some kind of corn pudding, and a carrot cake for a birthday, these cakes are so amazing, 1 9-10 inch cake weights like 12 lbs or something it is so dense and amazing. Well I am not going to have any of that. I am having 17.5g chicken breast and about 15 spears of asparugus. I am REALLY going to have to go buy a lean steak or something this weekend. I am just about tired of ckicken for right now. Maybe if I make some like chicken taco meat it will be better. LOL

    I did take a measurement of my waist again and it is down 2 inches right now from 38 to 36 just above the navel. Thats a lot of water and glycogen. I feel like I already look firmer and definitely less distended.


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    You guys must have thought I was joking...

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    Damn it Flawed! I am hungry as hell and you go showing food again.
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    Thats fricken awesome so far bro! It sounds like this method could be pretty legit! I'd be happy at this point if I was losing 2 lbs a week on LG let along 1.5+ of fat in 3 days
    Yeah it is definetly legit. I am sure it will slow down over the next 6 days but we will see how much.

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    Yah BMI is the stupidest measurement ever invented. Says I am supposed to be no heavier than 185, if I was 185 I'd be dead...
    Agreed mine says I should be 154 lbs. LMAO!
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    IMHO, an anti-cort supplement be more worthwhile here.

    He will obviously be catabolic to a degree and supps like are highly effective at mitigating and/or at the very least modulating cortisol levels.

    LeanXtreme has invariably been a staple for me during cutting stages for years b/c it flat out works.
    I agree completely! That is why I am using the Abliderate.

    Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
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    Ha ha.
    Yeah they would probably make the muscle stick around too. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    No major updates today, I did not go do cardio this morning. I know I should have but I was just so damn tired when I woke up I decided to sleep more instead. Also, according to the diet book you don't really need to do cardio, and anything above low intensity is advised against to prevent catabolism so I stayed in bed.
    also it speeds up the drop in metabolic rate and doesnt really add much to the amount of fat you will loose. Overall cardio can do more harm then good on a PSMF diet. I believe he cited a study in his book that involved people on a PSMF diet and adding cardio to the mix didnt help much so dont beat yourself up over not doing it

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post

    Yesterdays Nutrition -
    Fast breaker - 3 grilled chicken breast from Wendys with mustard and jalapenos. According to Wendy's website the nutrients in the came out to 78g protein, 4.5g fat and 3g carbs,
    what was this that you ordered from wendys?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah it is definetly legit. I am sure it will slow down over the next 6 days but we will see how much.
    It doesnt slow much.. IIRC, I averaged around -5lbs a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Agreed bro. I have an impedance measuring device (handheld) that I use to help measure progress, but not bodyfat. Its bodyfat reading is way off from the actual. If I am holding a bunch of water it can read as high as 10-11% and if I am dry it reads 7-8%. I can also get it to read a 2% swing just by the way I hold it. I just use now to measure progress, but even that is hard to be very accurate with the same measuring conditions.

    Calipers are the best way to go at home. I actually have a pair of digital calipers I ordered yesterday that I am going to try to replace the cheap ones I have
    Those digitals are the ones I have / had at home. I am going to have to completely clean my study it is a wreck. It is where everything is put that no one really knows where to put. YOu can see the clutter in my pics on both sides of me. LOL I am hoping it is in there but that is a couple hours of work to clean so I am going to wait to do it until this weekend. If I find them I will do a bf test then another at the end to see what the change is in that time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    also it speeds up the drop in metabolic rate and doesnt really add much to the amount of fat you will loose. Overall cardio can do more harm then good on a PSMF diet. I believe he cited a study in his book that involved people on a PSMF diet and adding cardio to the mix didnt help much so dont beat yourself up over not doing it



    what was this that you ordered from wendys?



    It doesnt slow much.. IIRC, I averaged around -5lbs a week
    1 - Yeah that is what I thought. He basically said you are already at a huge calorie deficit daily and adding 300-500 wasn't going to help, but the catabolism it could cause can hurt the progress.

    2 - I ordered 3 chicken breast alacarte with 2 sides of jalapenos and some mustard. They charge 2.50 a piece for the breasts. Not too bad in a pinch to get that much protein out of $7.50

    3 - Cool, and how much would you say was actually fat loss?

    The only reason I expect it to slow a bit is because of the week I had before starting this. Was my birthday week and I had 3 different people make me cakes and then one pecan pie which I didn't share. So I had some extra water on me from all the carbs that week. I was around 213-215 before that and went up to 218 over the course of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Damn it Flawed! I am hungry as hell and you go showing food again.

    Yeah it is definetly legit. I am sure it will slow down over the next 6 days but we will see how much.
    Note to self for future: Cooking 2.5lbs of ground turkey in 12 inch skillet ranks as frustrating on the difficulty scale.
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    That Wendy's idea is really a good one. I've done something similar at Subway - order a chicken salad with 3 breasts - but there isn't always a Subway around. Good to have options when travelling without food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    Note to self for future: Cooking 2.5lbs of ground turkey in 12 inch skillet ranks as frustrating on the difficulty scale.
    Yeah we have a pretty big frying pan we use for that. I think the bottom is about 12 inches and about 14-15 inches accross at the top.

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    That Wendy's idea is really a good one. I've done something similar at Subway - order a chicken salad with 3 breasts - but there isn't always a Subway around. Good to have options when travelling without food.
    Nice, I have stopped going to subway completely since they cut the meat portions in half a few years back. I am not a fan of the boiled chicken in anything but soups or something. Needs something to soak up some flavor but then again if just trying to get protein that will work for sure.
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    I need to find a big pan like that... after going to Mongoalian Grill earlier this week I really wish I had a flat top skillet table or whatever the hell you call what they have... like 5 feet across of pure stir fry goodness
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    Well.. My wishes for you to get the result you are expecting...
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    Oh, he'll get them.....
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    I had a great workout yesterday, I mean I was really excited to find out that I was not losing strength as much as I had thought. My body has definitely made the adjustment to burning fat again.


    Flat Bench - 185x12, 255x9 >205x8>135x7 - I was really impressed here, I was putting the weights one for 245 and mistakenly put 255 on decided to go with it. I hadn't pressed that in a bit and was a little worried that in my dieted state I may only get 4-5. I was happy to see 9 solid reps, I could hasve squeezed out a tenth but it wasn't worth risking my form.
    HS Dorian Rows - 90x12, 135x12>90x10>45x12 - Moved up a bit on both of these sets, pulls felt really good.
    HS MPS Military Press - 90x12, 120x15>100x4>70x4 - These were on the plate loaded hammer strength felt good but
    EZ Bar Curl - 70x12, 90x10>75x4>45x6 - Man these were some work, the dorians already beat the biceps up pretty good.
    Cable Triceps Extension - 90x12, 130x18>120x6>100x5 - I got a good pump but the weight was not heavy enough. I think we will trade these out for some triceps press downs in the seated dip machine or weighted dips.
    Squats - 135x12, 185x12, 225x12, 255x12, Widow Maker 225x20 - I was really happy here my leg did not hurt too much and it is not hurting today. So the tendon on the back of my knee seems to be getting better.
    Romanian Dead Lifts - 185x12, 225x12, 235x12 - Man I lost my versa grips and forgot how much I dislike the alternated grip. I am going to be getting a replacement set as soon.

    Weight yesterday was 208 on one scale and 209 on the other. I will weigh in tomorrow morning to get a true 1 week weigh in and waist measurement. I will also take some pics tomorrow and, I finally found my calipers so I will take a quick reading before eating or drinking anything tomorrow.


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    I need to find a big pan like that... after going to Mongoalian Grill earlier this week I really wish I had a flat top skillet table or whatever the hell you call what they have... like 5 feet across of pure stir fry goodness
    Yeah those are nice. I just recently got an electric griddle. Make whole wheatpancakes every Sunday for the fam. Even made them today just didn't partake.
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    Oh, he'll get them.....
    Damn Straight! Even if the diet doesn't get me I hope it has already given me exactly what I needed for a bit. It has given me resolve. following this diet right now is like butter for me. The normal dietary distractions are not a problem. I have the switch engaged now and that feels really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I had a great workout yesterday, I mean I was really excited to find out that I was not losing strength as much as I had thought. My body has definitely made the adjustment to burning fat again.


    . . .

    Damn Straight! Even if the diet doesn't get me I hope it has already given me exactly what I needed for a bit. It has given me resolve. following this diet right now is like butter for me. The normal dietary distractions are not a problem. I have the switch engaged now and that feels really good.
    Sounds like things are going well for you, Chris After much consideration, I have decided to give this a shot for the next couple of weeks, since I need that "kick" after everything the last few weeks!

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    Beast status workout Chris!!!
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    Chris, are you doing anything in particular or special for appetite suppression? At your caloric level I would be a major a-hole. I start getting real irritable under about 1800 cals
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    208! you were 218 a week ago! lol See you were just holding a bunch of water....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    208! you were 218 a week ago! lol See you were just holding a bunch of water....
    Yeh that is a HUGE drop for sure. It has to be a lot of water but I bet he has some decent fat loss in there too
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh that is a HUGE drop for sure. It has to be a lot of water but I bet he has some decent fat loss in there too
    No doubt, he coudl have dropped like 2-3 lbs of fat which is a lot for a week. You don't usually see people our size lose 10 lbs in a week. The only time I did it I was 305...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    208! you were 218 a week ago! lol See you were just holding a bunch of water....
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh that is a HUGE drop for sure. It has to be a lot of water but I bet he has some decent fat loss in there too
    Remember guys this isnt a regular diet. I would imagine Kleens calorie maintenance at around 2500 or so and on a PSMF he is prolly taking in a little over 1200 calories or so. So that gives him a deficit of 1300 calories a day! Or a deficit of 9000 calories a week! Loosing 3-5lbs a week isnt unheard of on a PSMF, the tricky part is preserving lbm but with the intensity kleen works out with I bet it wont be a problem for him.

    How long do you plan to stat PSMF Chris? When I did it I only planned for a week but I got used to the low calroies fast and was loving seeing the scale drop just about daily that I ended up extending it way too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Remember guys this isnt a regular diet. I would imagine Kleens calorie maintenance at around 2500 or so and on a PSMF he is prolly taking in a little over 1200 calories or so. So that gives him a deficit of 1300 calories a day! Or a deficit of 9000 calories a week! Loosing 3-5lbs a week isnt unheard of on a PSMF, the tricky part is preserving lbm but with the intensity kleen works out with I bet it wont be a problem for him.
    Exactly, and that's why this diet isn't intended for long periods. Perfect for short bursts of rapid loss, but it's not a sustainable way of eating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Exactly, and that's why this diet isn't intended for long periods. Perfect for short bursts of rapid loss, but it's not a sustainable way of eating.
    My main problems with it was after seeing how fast and easy weight loss was after the first week, I would continually lower my calorie intake (as low as 600 calories some days!!) and I barely would work out and the very few days I did I would halfass it and then I wouldnt refeed enough plus I did this for over 4 weeks.. Ad you can see my experience with is was full of mistakes, but you know what the say, hindsight is 20/20 right
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13

    Let me guess.....auto correct fail?...
    Lol. Either way it was funny
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    Well I took my weight, waist measurement, pictures and body fat today to get an idea of where I am right now with this bad boy. I am pretty impressed with the fact I was strong as a bull on Saturday for being on such a restrictive diet. I am very happy with it.

    Here are my stats:
    2/7/2012 - 218 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 38 inches, No BF measurement
    2/13/2012 - 208 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 35.3/4 inches, BF 12.2% 182.6 Lbs LBM & 25.4 lbs fat.
    Total Changes - 10 Lbs lost, 2.25 inches lost from waist line, and not sure on bodyfat. I am thinking at least 3 lbs.
    This week I will have my BF to compare and will at least be able to tell you how much actual fat was lost this week.

    I was on point with diet all weekend. Had no issues as far as overeating. This diet has done exactly what I want, give me the resolve to stick to a diet. Now when this is over keeping to it won't be an issue at all.

    As far as my pictures go I think they tell a pretty nice story as to what is going on with my body. Fat is definitely coming down, all bloating is pretty much gone and my waist has come down nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Sounds like things are going well for you, Chris After much consideration, I have decided to give this a shot for the next couple of weeks, since I need that "kick" after everything the last few weeks!

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    It is just what the Dr ordered to get your resolve back in place. It is so restrictive that any deviance can make or break the diet. Right now I am having absolutely no problems with sticking to it at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Chris, are you doing anything in particular or special for appetite suppression? At your caloric level I would be a major a-hole. I start getting real irritable under about 1800 cals
    Yes Sir, I am using the NYC stack it is the same thing as Adipokinetix that was banned a while back has NorEphedrine, Y-HCL, Yerba Mate, and a few other things in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    208! you were 218 a week ago! lol See you were just holding a bunch of water....
    Yep, I knew there was a good bit of water but was not sure how much. I think I may have lost 3 lbs of fat but that is just a guestimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh that is a HUGE drop for sure. It has to be a lot of water but I bet he has some decent fat loss in there too
    Agreed!
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    No doubt, he coudl have dropped like 2-3 lbs of fat which is a lot for a week. You don't usually see people our size lose 10 lbs in a week. The only time I did it I was 305...
    Exactly this is working like a charm. Like I said if at the end I feel I have lost at least 4 lbs of fat I will be very happy.
    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Remember guys this isnt a regular diet. I would imagine Kleens calorie maintenance at around 2500 or so and on a PSMF he is prolly taking in a little over 1200 calories or so. So that gives him a deficit of 1300 calories a day! Or a deficit of 9000 calories a week! Loosing 3-5lbs a week isnt unheard of on a PSMF, the tricky part is preserving lbm but with the intensity kleen works out with I bet it wont be a problem for him.

    How long do you plan to stat PSMF Chris? When I did it I only planned for a week but I got used to the low calroies fast and was loving seeing the scale drop just about daily that I ended up extending it way too much.
    I am only doing it through the rest of the week. I have a UD2 style carb up this weekend then 2 weeks at maintenance, after which I will lower cals gradually to keep fat coming off and maintaining muscle mass.

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    Kleenex your the man!
    Thanks, I was starting to feel people thought I was a bit snotty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Exactly, and that's why this diet isn't intended for long periods. Perfect for short bursts of rapid loss, but it's not a sustainable way of eating.
    No definitely not.
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Let me guess.....auto correct fail?...
    LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    My main problems with it was after seeing how fast and easy weight loss was after the first week, I would continually lower my calorie intake (as low as 600 calories some days!!) and I barely would work out and the very few days I did I would halfass it and then I wouldnt refeed enough plus I did this for over 4 weeks.. Ad you can see my experience with is was full of mistakes, but you know what the say, hindsight is 20/20 right
    I am more trying to get that kick start, not sweating extreme weight loss. I want to keep my muscle and right now I feel like I am doing that bery well with the combo of my Aminos and the 7-oxo dhea in the Abliderate keeping cortisol under control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    Lol. Either way it was funny
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    Oh yeah by the way in the pics, I had a pump in my first pics and had just woken up in the second set so no pump in the second pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Oh yeah by the way in the pics, I had a pump in my first pics and had just woken up in the second set so no pump in the second pics.
    Hey Kleen the pic didn't show up. I think because its from another forum and you have to be a user to see it
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    2.25 off your waist is fuggin amazing, so at least 5 lbs of fat Chris... that is Nuggin Futs!! Experiment over no sense in suffering any more if you're already down to 12 % pretty decent level.
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    So you guys can't see the pic? I will attach it here if not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So you guys can't see the pic? I will attach it here if not.
    I can see your picts just fine Bro!

    I can see a good difference, I mean it is only a week, but I can see it in your waste and I do see what you are talking about with the pump, because your shoulders definitely look more pumped in your profile picts in pict1 vs. pict2. All I can say is, we know what needs to be done, and you are doing it, consistency, consistency, consistency, besides, some people (like you and me) have had much practice in getting fat, then getting ripped, then getting fat again, and getting ripped, repeat, LoL!!!
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    Unless you got so lean you became invisible, I see no pic Kleen...
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    Okay check the post now, I uploaded them to here. Al, it must be that you have an account on the other forum with a cookie that allows you to see it or something.
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