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[BoneDaddy]

Cant see why not but I really doubt it would make a real noticeable difference weight loss wise considering the already huge caloric deficit you will already be in. The only supplement I would consider adding in during a PSMF diet would be something that could help increase SNS output since this will take the buggest hit during a extreme calorie deficit diet. This is why ECA compliments the diet perfectly

Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.

[RickRock13]

I hope this works great for you Chris. I could never do it because I don't function well on Keto and extremely low Carb diets and I do even worse with very low Cal's. I find it easier for me to do more cardio when I need a bigger defecit....at any rate I'm looking forward to the results!!

[JudoJosh]

Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.

Good point, in that respect ursobolic could compliment the diet nicely I guess.

[MrKleen73]

Does this diet allow any wiggle room for supps such as ursobolic acid?

Surely you could use it if you wanted. You would have to take it with meals due to its need for fat to mix.

I tried McDonalds PSMF variation a couple months back and was happy with it. I also combined it with IF timing as it just made sense to with such little calories. Most days were 20 hours fasting with 4 hour eating windows. I also added in Alpha T2 and ECA.

Exactly, I am doing about 20 hrs on cardio days and 16ish on my lift days. I am taking some straight yohimbine and I have some abliderate I am using to control cortisol while dropping the weight this should also lower any chance of muscle catabolism. I have a couple diet pills on the way but wont mention them until I know they are here. Right now I am taking some Shred Ultra too.

Cant see why not but I really doubt it would make a real noticeable difference weight loss wise considering the already huge caloric deficit you will already be in. The only supplement I would consider adding in during a PSMF diet would be something that could help increase SNS output since this will take the buggest hit during a extreme calorie deficit diet. This is why ECA compliments the diet perfectly

That and aminos. Perhaps a nice GH supplement to increase fat burning and kick start some protein synthesis.

Yo Tubby, you are pushing out, LoL, but I do the same thing to get the fattest before picture possible! Kind of like on that movie "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" when they did the before and after pictures on the same day and he was telling him, think negative fat thoughts, LoL, then they shaved him down and spray tanned him and computer generated some abdominal shadowing, crazy the $hit they do!!!

On a different note, Chris I am like 1-2% behind ya brother, so we are right there, I'm starting my mega-cut get ripped phase in about 1-2wks. We both know you can do it, just set your mind to it and you will like what you see in the mirror in a matter of just a few weeks! Oh and as far as Pool Season is concerned... "Forget about it, Joey Butafuko ova hea!" you'll be shredded by then!!!

Al, I REALLY wish that were true. I wish I had to stick my stomach out to look like that but no that is me standing totally relaxed. I hold a lot of visceral fat and it makes my stomach protrude when I am heavy. I don't get a ton of subcutaneous fat, I never look blubbery, I just thicken up everywhere. Yeah I wish I actually had to push it out to make it look worse but no that is all me and my chunktitude...

Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.

I think the protein sparing effects may have more to do with increasing insulin sensitivity. Of course we all know that a large steak releases a good amount of insulin too so it may have it's place here but I don't know. I might save it and use it more when you go back to maintenance to keep the carbs you start eating landing in the right place.

I hope this works great for you Chris. I could never do it because I don't function well on Keto and extremely low Carb diets and I do even worse with very low Cal's. I find it easier for me to do more cardio when I need a bigger defecit....at any rate I'm looking forward to the results!!

I just don't have the time or inclination to do that much extra cardio. I am doing cardio 3 times a week right now and taking walks at lunch just to get out of the building and MAYBE bring my metabolism back up a tiny bit mid day. That is the exact same thing I did for my contest prep and it worked well. So far I am lucky in the fact going low carb works well for me, and keeps my blood sugar stable which keeps me from having those I am gonna die type of blood sugar swings.

[ScottyDoc]

Chris... well whether you are/were pushing it out or not, I still think you look better than 90% of our society, which I know means nothing to guys like us, because we are only happy when we look the way we picture ourselves looking our best! But, again, with all that being said, you know and I know we can get there in no time... we have the formula, we know our bodies, it is time to do it!

In the words of Terry Tate...



I wish we had 10 MrKleens here on AnabolicMinds...

It's Go Time Baby... Whew!!!

[Resolve]

Late, but in.

I've been eating very similarly for the last few weeks for much the same reasons: Protein, fibrous veg and fish oil 3x/day for 5days a week. Carb up on the weekends. Not fun, but seeing rapid progress.

[FlawedGrunt]

A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha

[BoneDaddy]

A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha

Yeah, I meant to sling props to the traps earlier as well. Most guys I know are weak on their wheels and traps.

MrKleen, you doing anything for appetite suppression or you just gutting it out?

[MrKleen73]

Chris... well whether you are/were pushing it out or not, I still think you look better than 90% of our society, which I know means nothing to guys like us, because we are only happy when we look the way we picture ourselves looking our best! But, again, with all that being said, you know and I know we can get there in no time... we have the formula, we know our bodies, it is time to do it!

In the words of Terry Tate...



I wish we had 10 MrKleens here on AnabolicMinds...

It's Go Time Baby... Whew!!!

Love the video and you are very right we know what to do. I am really hoping that everything pans out and I get what I hope out of this. If not at least it will get me closer. I am half tempted to go home and take a pushed out picture of myself and show you what male pregnancy can look like.

Late, but in.

I've been eating very similarly for the last few weeks for much the same reasons: Protein, fibrous veg and fish oil 3x/day for 5days a week. Carb up on the weekends. Not fun, but seeing rapid progress.

Resolve glad to have you brother. Yeah I can see this working really well like that. SOunds like you kind of do a modified UD2 type diet right now then. When I go back to normal eating I plan to have about 150 grams carbs on lift days and low on cardio days then do a carb up on Saturday through Sunday morning getting in about 600-800 grams during that time. Not a huge carb up sut sufficient to fill me back up and replace my leptin.

A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha

Thanks brother. Yeah I have to really keep my head on straight because as displeased as I am that I am not in shape right now, I know that I am somebody somewheres goal.

[ScottyDoc]

Love the video and you are very right we know what to do. I am really hoping that everything pans out and I get what I hope out of this. If not at least it will get me closer. I am half tempted to go home and take a pushed out picture of myself and show you what male pregnancy can look like.

Hell, post it if you think it will help, or put it up on your mirror if you think it will help motivate you! Having an old picture of my fat does nothing for my motivation, but I always put up a slew of pictures on my bathroom mirror of me when I was "Silver Surfer" ripped as motivation, because when I look at myself in the mirror and I'm not that ripped, that just means I have more work to do and there is no... "I Can't..." BULL$HIT, there is the PROOF!!!

[MrKleen73]

Yeah, I meant to sling props to the traps earlier as well. Most guys I know are weak on their wheels and traps.

MrKleen, you doing anything for appetite suppression or you just gutting it out?

First thanks to you and Flawed for the compliment. I actually just let back work and deads build my traps. I don't do any kind of shrugging other than what I get from being married. I have always had good traps.

I am using Shred Ultra right now by MST, and also taking Yohimbine HCL too. I have a couple different diet pills on the way right now but until they come in just the Shred Ultra, andf Yohimbine, oh maybe a Pro-Xanthine 500 here and there but trying to leave those for the wife.

[MrKleen73]

Hell, post it if you think it will help, or put it up on your mirror if you think it will help motivate you! Having an old picture of my fat does nothing for my motivation, but I always put up a slew of pictures on my bathroom mirror of me when I was "Silver Surfer" ripped as motivation, because when I look at myself in the mirror and I'm not that ripped, that just means I have more work to do and there is no... "I Can't..." BULL$HIT, there is the PROOF!!!

No it wouldn't help motivate me but would give us all a good laugh. I have ridiculously flexible abs and when I push them out they honestly look like I am 8 months pregnant. I can do back bends and stuff that most other guys my size could not even think about. Unfortunately they also hang out when I don't keep them under control. Frightening is that in the pics I posted I was actually holding them under control. IE not letting them just fall out.

[Resolve]

Resolve glad to have you brother. Yeah I can see this working really well like that. SOunds like you kind of do a modified UD2 type diet right now then. When I go back to normal eating I plan to have about 150 grams carbs on lift days and low on cardio days then do a carb up on Saturday through Sunday morning getting in about 600-800 grams during that time. Not a huge carb up sut sufficient to fill me back up and replace my leptin.

Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?

[VolcomX311]

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[MrKleen73]

Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?

I agree completely with the indulgence especially if you plan it well. I had a drink or two a week all the way through my contest prep. Just would have a double shot of crown with my dinner and drink Iced Tea for my beverage if Jo and I were out and she wanted a drink.

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[Srt4Muscle]

late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!

[MrKleen73]

late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!

Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.

[FlawedGrunt]

Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.

A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.

[MrKleen73]

A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.

Oh wow! I think ours was about half of that. I LOVE ROASTED ASPARAGUS!!!!!!! Today I put mine in the nuker with my chicken in a covered dish to get a little steam action. Then I sprayed a tine bit of Bragg Liquid Aminos on it for a touch of flavor. MMMMMM!!!!!

[FlawedGrunt]

Damn that sounds good!

I love the other way my gf makes aspargus, she will lightly cover it in flour and then pan fry it olive oil... then she eats it with ketchup.. sounds goofy but it tastes like a fricken deep fried treat.. without all the nasty ness... worst part is the light flour