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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Yeah, I meant to sling props to the traps earlier as well. Most guys I know are weak on their wheels and traps.

    MrKleen, you doing anything for appetite suppression or you just gutting it out?
    First thanks to you and Flawed for the compliment. I actually just let back work and deads build my traps. I don't do any kind of shrugging other than what I get from being married. I have always had good traps.

    I am using Shred Ultra right now by MST, and also taking Yohimbine HCL too. I have a couple different diet pills on the way right now but until they come in just the Shred Ultra, andf Yohimbine, oh maybe a Pro-Xanthine 500 here and there but trying to leave those for the wife.
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Hell, post it if you think it will help, or put it up on your mirror if you think it will help motivate you! Having an old picture of my fat does nothing for my motivation, but I always put up a slew of pictures on my bathroom mirror of me when I was "Silver Surfer" ripped as motivation, because when I look at myself in the mirror and I'm not that ripped, that just means I have more work to do and there is no... "I Can't..." BULL$HIT, there is the PROOF!!!
    No it wouldn't help motivate me but would give us all a good laugh. I have ridiculously flexible abs and when I push them out they honestly look like I am 8 months pregnant. I can do back bends and stuff that most other guys my size could not even think about. Unfortunately they also hang out when I don't keep them under control. Frightening is that in the pics I posted I was actually holding them under control. IE not letting them just fall out.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Resolve glad to have you brother. Yeah I can see this working really well like that. SOunds like you kind of do a modified UD2 type diet right now then. When I go back to normal eating I plan to have about 150 grams carbs on lift days and low on cardio days then do a carb up on Saturday through Sunday morning getting in about 600-800 grams during that time. Not a huge carb up sut sufficient to fill me back up and replace my leptin.
    Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?
    I agree completely with the indulgence especially if you plan it well. I had a drink or two a week all the way through my contest prep. Just would have a double shot of crown with my dinner and drink Iced Tea for my beverage if Jo and I were out and she wanted a drink.
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  6. late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

    im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!
    Corn is to popcorn as, prohormones are to steriods...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle View Post
    late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

    im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!
    Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

    As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

    As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.
    Oh wow! I think ours was about half of that. I LOVE ROASTED ASPARAGUS!!!!!!! Today I put mine in the nuker with my chicken in a covered dish to get a little steam action. Then I sprayed a tine bit of Bragg Liquid Aminos on it for a touch of flavor. MMMMMM!!!!!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  10. Damn that sounds good!

    I love the other way my gf makes aspargus, she will lightly cover it in flour and then pan fry it olive oil... then she eats it with ketchup.. sounds goofy but it tastes like a fricken deep fried treat.. without all the nasty ness... worst part is the light flour

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Could be a fun experiment regardless. I have a feeling that for you and I this will work pretty nicely as a boost back into an area we are more comfortable with our physiques. In our scenario I actually like the idea of the low carbs with the carb load at the end then moving directly into a maintenance level for our new weight. This will allow a tiny bit of any muscle that may be lost to come back during the 2 week maintenance period before we would start to slowly work towards cutting again...Yeah Rosie, like I said a little above that I think as an 11 day shock to the system this may be amazing for the fat loss. I know performance will be down for sure but I am doing this for pure aesthetic reasons.
    Yeppers. If I do this, I will likely start next week - I want to give my body at least a week to get back into things with having all my "staples" back first. And see what kind of progress I make over this week - whether I try this will depend very much on results. If I DO try it, training will be my usual though, nothing less. Thank you, as always, for some motivation and new information, Chris

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  12. Asparagus + bacon =

    PESCIENCE.COM

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  13. In for final pics and weight.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

    I hate you for posting that.... Drewl..... "I KILL YOU!!!"
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

    ! THis post is USELESS without a recipe! NOW! hahaha

  16. Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    ! THis post is USELESS without a recipe! NOW! hahaha
    I know Josh he's just trying to torture us... that is why I say...
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =


    Oh, you son of a bitch......

  18. Subbed. Good luck with the cut bro!

  19. In for this
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  20. I can't believe that video clip!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpV...layer_embedded

    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything

  21. Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.
    Hey Grunt, not sure if you have Aldis the store up there. But they are owned by the same parent company as trader Joes. They get a lot of the fruits and veggies that trader joes gets, but they are so much cheaper because they don't worry about paying for the organic labels and everything else. Most of the fruits are on the smaller side, so it is not worth paying for the labels.
    But back on topic, they have asparagus on sale usually once a week for around $1.59 a bundle

  22. Man, you got a great start. Probably with just 4 weeks of dieting you can get back down pretty fast. Ive seen your transformations. I know you can do it!
    RecoverBro ELITE
  23. Looking forward to your change!


    Damn!! Looking full and jacked in your pics! Looking forward with your run on the diet protocol! Been reading his books and trying to dial in my diet, will start by March, right now just putting on as much clean weight as I can!
    All the best! Definitely following this one

  24. I think if you just went into a controlled IF situation where you counted calories you would get the results you needed. I think you are perceiving things are worse than they are hence feeling the need for the shock therapy mode. It's a short period so I don't think much harm will be done either way and the shock will definitely work. Like you said it's more a matter of comfort.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  25. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

    Holy Damn It Man!!! I love that idea. Way to try and make my diet harder. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by AForney View Post
    In for final pics and weight.
    Glad to have you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    I hate you for posting that.... Drewl..... "I KILL YOU!!!"
    HaHa! My sentiments exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nickmort View Post
    Subbed. Good luck with the cut bro!
    Thanks Brother!
    Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    In for this
    Morry, glad to see you in here. Hope all is well.

    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I can't believe that video clip!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpV...layer_embedded

    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything
    I don't think it is just Americans... I am pretty sure that the rest of the world is in the same boat as us there.
    Quote Originally Posted by indysoccer16 View Post
    Hey Grunt, not sure if you have Aldis the store up there. But they are owned by the same parent company as trader Joes. They get a lot of the fruits and veggies that trader joes gets, but they are so much cheaper because they don't worry about paying for the organic labels and everything else. Most of the fruits are on the smaller side, so it is not worth paying for the labels.
    But back on topic, they have asparagus on sale usually once a week for around $1.59 a bundle
    Good Looking out.
    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Man, you got a great start. Probably with just 4 weeks of dieting you can get back down pretty fast. Ive seen your transformations. I know you can do it!
    Well yeah I am hoping that 2 weeks of dieting gets me pretty close then I can go more into a slow cut, recomp situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolln View Post
    Damn!! Looking full and jacked in your pics! Looking forward with your run on the diet protocol! Been reading his books and trying to dial in my diet, will start by March, right now just putting on as much clean weight as I can!
    All the best! Definitely following this one
    Thanks Brother! You can do it and I hope this serves as a nice motivation point.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I think if you just went into a controlled IF situation where you counted calories you would get the results you needed. I think you are perceiving things are worse than they are hence feeling the need for the shock therapy mode. It's a short period so I don't think much harm will be done either way and the shock will definitely work. Like you said it's more a matter of comfort.
    You are very correct, I could definitely do the basic calorie controlled IF plan, but this should get me there faster. More to the point though, I needed this mentally. My brain was flat lining on me. I had gotten so used to cruise control I just need something drastic to get my head back in the game. I know that I am not anywhere near obese or even over weight. My BF is still below the average males, and probably lower then the average gym goers. However for me and what I fund acceptable I am no longer there. I really don't foresee any issue with muscle loss and my body fights to keep muslce anyway and it I lose a lb of muscle during the crash diet I will have it back by the end of the 2 week maintenance period that follows. That and I am not actually hurting for muscle right now.

    I also do some program planning and diet stuff on the side and I need to run through this to make sure it is a viable option for anyone that may be interested in it. If I feel health issues or massive muscle loss then I know that it is not a good recommendation. However if not too bad then I have a few larger people that might benefit from this.

    Fast breaker 10 oz chicken and 15 asparagus spears.
    Mid Afternoon Snack 3 scoops of Whey and 1 cup cottage cheese with splenda and cinnamon.
    Dinner Last night I got home to find that dinner was not going to happen... My son went to his Nana's and didn't take anything out before he left. So last nights dinner was 4 scoops of Whey Isolate and 1 cup of cottage cheese, splenda and cinnamon. Nothing fancy by any means but it got all my nutritional needs in.

    Today cardio will be done outside at lunch. I have some extra time built up this weeks so I am going to take a longer lunch and increase my walk time. I also have Karate tonight so that will burn some good calories.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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