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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Cant see why not but I really doubt it would make a real noticeable difference weight loss wise considering the already huge caloric deficit you will already be in. The only supplement I would consider adding in during a PSMF diet would be something that could help increase SNS output since this will take the buggest hit during a extreme calorie deficit diet. This is why ECA compliments the diet perfectly
    Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.

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    I hope this works great for you Chris. I could never do it because I don't function well on Keto and extremely low Carb diets and I do even worse with very low Cal's. I find it easier for me to do more cardio when I need a bigger defecit....at any rate I'm looking forward to the results!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.
    Good point, in that respect ursobolic could compliment the diet nicely I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Does this diet allow any wiggle room for supps such as ursobolic acid?
    Surely you could use it if you wanted. You would have to take it with meals due to its need for fat to mix.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I tried McDonalds PSMF variation a couple months back and was happy with it. I also combined it with IF timing as it just made sense to with such little calories. Most days were 20 hours fasting with 4 hour eating windows. I also added in Alpha T2 and ECA.
    Exactly, I am doing about 20 hrs on cardio days and 16ish on my lift days. I am taking some straight yohimbine and I have some abliderate I am using to control cortisol while dropping the weight this should also lower any chance of muscle catabolism. I have a couple diet pills on the way but wont mention them until I know they are here. Right now I am taking some Shred Ultra too.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Cant see why not but I really doubt it would make a real noticeable difference weight loss wise considering the already huge caloric deficit you will already be in. The only supplement I would consider adding in during a PSMF diet would be something that could help increase SNS output since this will take the buggest hit during a extreme calorie deficit diet. This is why ECA compliments the diet perfectly
    That and aminos. Perhaps a nice GH supplement to increase fat burning and kick start some protein synthesis.

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    Yo Tubby, you are pushing out, LoL, but I do the same thing to get the fattest before picture possible! Kind of like on that movie "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" when they did the before and after pictures on the same day and he was telling him, think negative fat thoughts, LoL, then they shaved him down and spray tanned him and computer generated some abdominal shadowing, crazy the $hit they do!!!

    On a different note, Chris I am like 1-2% behind ya brother, so we are right there, I'm starting my mega-cut get ripped phase in about 1-2wks. We both know you can do it, just set your mind to it and you will like what you see in the mirror in a matter of just a few weeks! Oh and as far as Pool Season is concerned... "Forget about it, Joey Butafuko ova hea!" you'll be shredded by then!!!

    Al, I REALLY wish that were true. I wish I had to stick my stomach out to look like that but no that is me standing totally relaxed. I hold a lot of visceral fat and it makes my stomach protrude when I am heavy. I don't get a ton of subcutaneous fat, I never look blubbery, I just thicken up everywhere. Yeah I wish I actually had to push it out to make it look worse but no that is all me and my chunktitude...

    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Agreed, but I was thinking mainly for the muscle sparring effects I've read from Ursobolic. Haven't tried it myself, but was curious pairing it with this.
    I think the protein sparing effects may have more to do with increasing insulin sensitivity. Of course we all know that a large steak releases a good amount of insulin too so it may have it's place here but I don't know. I might save it and use it more when you go back to maintenance to keep the carbs you start eating landing in the right place.
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    I hope this works great for you Chris. I could never do it because I don't function well on Keto and extremely low Carb diets and I do even worse with very low Cal's. I find it easier for me to do more cardio when I need a bigger defecit....at any rate I'm looking forward to the results!!
    I just don't have the time or inclination to do that much extra cardio. I am doing cardio 3 times a week right now and taking walks at lunch just to get out of the building and MAYBE bring my metabolism back up a tiny bit mid day. That is the exact same thing I did for my contest prep and it worked well. So far I am lucky in the fact going low carb works well for me, and keeps my blood sugar stable which keeps me from having those I am gonna die type of blood sugar swings.
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    Chris... well whether you are/were pushing it out or not, I still think you look better than 90% of our society, which I know means nothing to guys like us, because we are only happy when we look the way we picture ourselves looking our best! But, again, with all that being said, you know and I know we can get there in no time... we have the formula, we know our bodies, it is time to do it!


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    Late, but in.

    I've been eating very similarly for the last few weeks for much the same reasons: Protein, fibrous veg and fish oil 3x/day for 5days a week. Carb up on the weekends. Not fun, but seeing rapid progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha
    Yeah, I meant to sling props to the traps earlier as well. Most guys I know are weak on their wheels and traps.

    MrKleen, you doing anything for appetite suppression or you just gutting it out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Chris... well whether you are/were pushing it out or not, I still think you look better than 90% of our society, which I know means nothing to guys like us, because we are only happy when we look the way we picture ourselves looking our best! But, again, with all that being said, you know and I know we can get there in no time... we have the formula, we know our bodies, it is time to do it!


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    Love the video and you are very right we know what to do. I am really hoping that everything pans out and I get what I hope out of this. If not at least it will get me closer. I am half tempted to go home and take a pushed out picture of myself and show you what male pregnancy can look like.

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    Late, but in.

    I've been eating very similarly for the last few weeks for much the same reasons: Protein, fibrous veg and fish oil 3x/day for 5days a week. Carb up on the weekends. Not fun, but seeing rapid progress.
    Resolve glad to have you brother. Yeah I can see this working really well like that. SOunds like you kind of do a modified UD2 type diet right now then. When I go back to normal eating I plan to have about 150 grams carbs on lift days and low on cardio days then do a carb up on Saturday through Sunday morning getting in about 600-800 grams during that time. Not a huge carb up sut sufficient to fill me back up and replace my leptin.
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    A little thick but still swole bro. I need to get on whatever program you do for your traps! haha
    Thanks brother. Yeah I have to really keep my head on straight because as displeased as I am that I am not in shape right now, I know that I am somebody somewheres goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Love the video and you are very right we know what to do. I am really hoping that everything pans out and I get what I hope out of this. If not at least it will get me closer. I am half tempted to go home and take a pushed out picture of myself and show you what male pregnancy can look like.
    Hell, post it if you think it will help, or put it up on your mirror if you think it will help motivate you! Having an old picture of my fat does nothing for my motivation, but I always put up a slew of pictures on my bathroom mirror of me when I was "Silver Surfer" ripped as motivation, because when I look at myself in the mirror and I'm not that ripped, that just means I have more work to do and there is no... "I Can't..." BULL$HIT, there is the PROOF!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Yeah, I meant to sling props to the traps earlier as well. Most guys I know are weak on their wheels and traps.

    MrKleen, you doing anything for appetite suppression or you just gutting it out?
    First thanks to you and Flawed for the compliment. I actually just let back work and deads build my traps. I don't do any kind of shrugging other than what I get from being married. I have always had good traps.

    I am using Shred Ultra right now by MST, and also taking Yohimbine HCL too. I have a couple different diet pills on the way right now but until they come in just the Shred Ultra, andf Yohimbine, oh maybe a Pro-Xanthine 500 here and there but trying to leave those for the wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Hell, post it if you think it will help, or put it up on your mirror if you think it will help motivate you! Having an old picture of my fat does nothing for my motivation, but I always put up a slew of pictures on my bathroom mirror of me when I was "Silver Surfer" ripped as motivation, because when I look at myself in the mirror and I'm not that ripped, that just means I have more work to do and there is no... "I Can't..." BULL$HIT, there is the PROOF!!!
    No it wouldn't help motivate me but would give us all a good laugh. I have ridiculously flexible abs and when I push them out they honestly look like I am 8 months pregnant. I can do back bends and stuff that most other guys my size could not even think about. Unfortunately they also hang out when I don't keep them under control. Frightening is that in the pics I posted I was actually holding them under control. IE not letting them just fall out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Resolve glad to have you brother. Yeah I can see this working really well like that. SOunds like you kind of do a modified UD2 type diet right now then. When I go back to normal eating I plan to have about 150 grams carbs on lift days and low on cardio days then do a carb up on Saturday through Sunday morning getting in about 600-800 grams during that time. Not a huge carb up sut sufficient to fill me back up and replace my leptin.
    Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Yeah, UD2 is prolly the closest thing I know of to how I'm currently eating. 600-800 is right about where I have my carb-ups too, though sometimes I'll lower the carbs and replace the calories with booze. I figure it'll still contribute to liver glycogen, so why not indulge a bit?
    I agree completely with the indulgence especially if you plan it well. I had a drink or two a week all the way through my contest prep. Just would have a double shot of crown with my dinner and drink Iced Tea for my beverage if Jo and I were out and she wanted a drink.
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    late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

    im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle View Post
    late sub, man alot to catch up on. i saw you said cortisol control, what are you taking exactly?

    im glad i see some greens in there, your other post had no veggies lol im a fan of low carb diets. just scratching the surface though. ill be looking into this protocol your following this weekend. good luck sir!!!!
    Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

    As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I don't really count anything on the greens so I don't talk about them that often. However I tend to have at least 1 cup of greens of some sort daily. I have 2 on really good days. I also take a multi vitamin and am sneaking in a few grams of fiber in my aminos too. I am eating 10 oz chicken right now with 15 spears of fresh asparagus.

    As far as cortisol control I am using Abliderate, it is a transdermal 7-OXO DHEA supplement. Not sure where you can find it now. However you could use Lean Extreme, or some other similar type of product.
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.
    Oh wow! I think ours was about half of that. I LOVE ROASTED ASPARAGUS!!!!!!! Today I put mine in the nuker with my chicken in a covered dish to get a little steam action. Then I sprayed a tine bit of Bragg Liquid Aminos on it for a touch of flavor. MMMMMM!!!!!
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    Damn that sounds good!

    I love the other way my gf makes aspargus, she will lightly cover it in flour and then pan fry it olive oil... then she eats it with ketchup.. sounds goofy but it tastes like a fricken deep fried treat.. without all the nasty ness... worst part is the light flour
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Could be a fun experiment regardless. I have a feeling that for you and I this will work pretty nicely as a boost back into an area we are more comfortable with our physiques. In our scenario I actually like the idea of the low carbs with the carb load at the end then moving directly into a maintenance level for our new weight. This will allow a tiny bit of any muscle that may be lost to come back during the 2 week maintenance period before we would start to slowly work towards cutting again...Yeah Rosie, like I said a little above that I think as an 11 day shock to the system this may be amazing for the fat loss. I know performance will be down for sure but I am doing this for pure aesthetic reasons.
    Yeppers. If I do this, I will likely start next week - I want to give my body at least a week to get back into things with having all my "staples" back first. And see what kind of progress I make over this week - whether I try this will depend very much on results. If I DO try it, training will be my usual though, nothing less. Thank you, as always, for some motivation and new information, Chris

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    Asparagus + bacon =

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    In for final pics and weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

    ! THis post is USELESS without a recipe! NOW! hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    ! THis post is USELESS without a recipe! NOW! hahaha
    I know Josh he's just trying to torture us... that is why I say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =


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    Subbed. Good luck with the cut bro!
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    I can't believe that video clip!
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    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    A little off topic but hows the price of asparagus down there? I'm not sure if its just because its out of season around here... but the me and the gf went to go get some to roast the other night (here in wisconsin) and the **** was like 7 bucks a pound at our local grocery store which is about double the summer cost.
    Hey Grunt, not sure if you have Aldis the store up there. But they are owned by the same parent company as trader Joes. They get a lot of the fruits and veggies that trader joes gets, but they are so much cheaper because they don't worry about paying for the organic labels and everything else. Most of the fruits are on the smaller side, so it is not worth paying for the labels.
    But back on topic, they have asparagus on sale usually once a week for around $1.59 a bundle
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    Man, you got a great start. Probably with just 4 weeks of dieting you can get back down pretty fast. Ive seen your transformations. I know you can do it!
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    Damn!! Looking full and jacked in your pics! Looking forward with your run on the diet protocol! Been reading his books and trying to dial in my diet, will start by March, right now just putting on as much clean weight as I can!
    All the best! Definitely following this one
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    I think if you just went into a controlled IF situation where you counted calories you would get the results you needed. I think you are perceiving things are worse than they are hence feeling the need for the shock therapy mode. It's a short period so I don't think much harm will be done either way and the shock will definitely work. Like you said it's more a matter of comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Asparagus + bacon =

    Holy Damn It Man!!! I love that idea. Way to try and make my diet harder. LOL

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    In for final pics and weight.
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    I hate you for posting that.... Drewl..... "I KILL YOU!!!"
    HaHa! My sentiments exactly.
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    I can't believe that video clip!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpV...layer_embedded

    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything
    I don't think it is just Americans... I am pretty sure that the rest of the world is in the same boat as us there.
    Quote Originally Posted by indysoccer16 View Post
    Hey Grunt, not sure if you have Aldis the store up there. But they are owned by the same parent company as trader Joes. They get a lot of the fruits and veggies that trader joes gets, but they are so much cheaper because they don't worry about paying for the organic labels and everything else. Most of the fruits are on the smaller side, so it is not worth paying for the labels.
    But back on topic, they have asparagus on sale usually once a week for around $1.59 a bundle
    Good Looking out.
    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Man, you got a great start. Probably with just 4 weeks of dieting you can get back down pretty fast. Ive seen your transformations. I know you can do it!
    Well yeah I am hoping that 2 weeks of dieting gets me pretty close then I can go more into a slow cut, recomp situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolln View Post
    Damn!! Looking full and jacked in your pics! Looking forward with your run on the diet protocol! Been reading his books and trying to dial in my diet, will start by March, right now just putting on as much clean weight as I can!
    All the best! Definitely following this one
    Thanks Brother! You can do it and I hope this serves as a nice motivation point.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I think if you just went into a controlled IF situation where you counted calories you would get the results you needed. I think you are perceiving things are worse than they are hence feeling the need for the shock therapy mode. It's a short period so I don't think much harm will be done either way and the shock will definitely work. Like you said it's more a matter of comfort.
    You are very correct, I could definitely do the basic calorie controlled IF plan, but this should get me there faster. More to the point though, I needed this mentally. My brain was flat lining on me. I had gotten so used to cruise control I just need something drastic to get my head back in the game. I know that I am not anywhere near obese or even over weight. My BF is still below the average males, and probably lower then the average gym goers. However for me and what I fund acceptable I am no longer there. I really don't foresee any issue with muscle loss and my body fights to keep muslce anyway and it I lose a lb of muscle during the crash diet I will have it back by the end of the 2 week maintenance period that follows. That and I am not actually hurting for muscle right now.

    I also do some program planning and diet stuff on the side and I need to run through this to make sure it is a viable option for anyone that may be interested in it. If I feel health issues or massive muscle loss then I know that it is not a good recommendation. However if not too bad then I have a few larger people that might benefit from this.

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    Today cardio will be done outside at lunch. I have some extra time built up this weeks so I am going to take a longer lunch and increase my walk time. I also have Karate tonight so that will burn some good calories.
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    Have you taken any caliper measurements to give an initial reading to start for your bodyfat % to go along with the starting weight and pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Have you taken any caliper measurements to give an initial reading to start for your bodyfat % to go along with the starting weight and pics?
    I wish, I looked around for my calipers and couldn't find them anywhere. I think I remember them actually getting broken a while back. It would be nice because it would show my lbm changes however we both know that my LBM is going to change drastically anyway from the glycogen and water loss, since water is actually part of LBM. I will look around again tonight. I ended up with more stuff to do at home last night so I could only look in the suspect places. I do think there is one of those Impedence type things somewhere in the tunnel but I don't think any of those are really accurate. If nothing else I will take more measurements tonight so I have something else to compare against.
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    My go to snack when I did PSMF was 1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 2tbsp sugar free/fat free cool whip and 1tbsp sugar free pistachio pudding mix. Make a very nice treat.

    I also ate LOTS of ground turkey and egg whites
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I can't believe that video clip!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpV...layer_embedded

    This is crazy!!! Before and Afters shot the same freakin day....Wow American we are so fooled by everything
    MG... I both agree and disagree with... "Wow American we are so fooled by everything"

    My Dad taught me something back in the day (When the Men were Men and the sheep were Nervous) and it has stuck with me every since... "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!" I have ignored that and listened to it throughout my life, but if I ask myself that question before jumping into something or believing something it almost never fails! It is unfortunate, but we as Americans, as a society, we have just grown accustomed to a quick-fix, a magic pill to lower your cholesterol, a shot to quit smoking, pills to lose weight, etc. etc. etc. So I agree because as Americans or just plain old as Consumers, we should be smart enough to differentiate between the real stuff and the $hit, but at the same time, advertisers are good at what they do, they are highly trained professionals at taking our money (same way a stripper in a strip-club is trained to take your money) and they say and do all the right things to make you believe especially when it is something that is so important to you or that you want soooo bad! So Shame on us for believing their lies, but shame on them for lying and even trying to deceive us!!!
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    Yah that's what I figured ... a kind of slap in the face thing....
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