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  1. Great thread. Finally a fasted cardio thread that acknowledges the relavance (and fine line) of intensity.


  2. hey zack, great to see you here too!
    whats your opinion of low-intensity cardio after a weight session though?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by taffer
    hey zack, great to see you here too!
    Taffster - hey buddy. Took me a while to actually register, but good stuff. Besides, I need to broaden my horizons a little bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by taffer
    whats your opinion of low-intensity cardio after a weight session though?
    Thumbs up, as long as the intensity is on the lower end (<60% max heart rate) and duration is <45 minutes. Personally, I prefer to refuel and rest a.s.a.p. after resistance training, but I agree completely that from a fat burning standpoint, it's about as effective as slow fasted morning cardio, a little more or a little less. About equal. I did the slow fasted morning cardio for a while - liked it. Just wasn't a fan of the post-weights cardio. Your results and opinions will vary.

    And of course, doing slow cardio in the middle of your day is about as effective - we're not making major shifts in fat mobilization here.

    That aside, what I was very happy to read here from Bobo and couple others, was the INCREDIBLY important point to think of fat loss as a very long, slow process. Too often on other boards and other posts, I see people discussing it like it's a process isolated to single 60-minute spans of their day. As if doing it wrong negated fat loss, and thinking of fat loss as an event your body chooses to do or not do on a 24-hour clock. Can't over-emphasize what a disservice this is to your body, to try to apply your concept of time, when your body is not even remotely considering the 24-hour day as a unit of time. The fastest thing to shift is probably your BMR, and that can take weeks. Fat loss, though it can be effected fairly quickly, is a not a one-time shot.

    It's a marathon.

    I'm just babbling now. Going to shut up.

  4. good to hear you think its ok, i currently do 2x 45min 130-140bpm-HR cardio sessions a week, on off days, and i do a 15min incline walk after my shoulders/traps workout (as its light) also i walk home from the gym everyday (thats why i dont do more than 15mins after my workout, cos i get another 10 from walking home, even though its not as instense
    im considering adding in a session after my chest/tri workout if i need to, as i go heavy and dont do too many sets (8sets for chest, 7 for tri's)

    i know fat loss is a slow process, but when you get to a lower-bodyfat, sometimes every little bit counts, im just trying to get rid of my last layer of fat, its proving to be quite a task!

    right now im really trying to workout what works for me, you can check out my cutting diet down the page a little, although i have altered it a bit (less oats(60g) + fruit(90g) pre-workout, also a tiny cut post-workout im thinking of increasing it though, and chopping some sweet potato, if i feel i need more carbs pre- anyway we can discuss this in the thread)

    geez im babbling too! although my babbling is more off topic time to dig into some kangaroo, broccoli and sweet potato

  5. I think those sound like rational levels of cardio. You're not doing the "2x 45min 130-140bpm-HR cardio" fasted, though, right? Or are you? That's a little more intense than I would suggest for fasted, but it's up to you to find that fine line for yourself. Though for general cardio, no problem.

    Kangaroo - I remember you praising the qualities of 'roo meat once before. Some other forum somewhere. I still need to track some of that down.
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  6. nah not fasted! the only fasted cardio i can stand is 30mins of really slow walking in the morning, although i dont know if i should decrease my pre and post for it, i dont think i need to, maybe something to do if my progress needs a kick in the butt

    oh yes, kangaroo is the best, all the advantages of red meat, without the fat!
    you gotta cook it well though or else is can get tough, however if you cook it just right, its the best tasting thing in the world, i enjoy it so much unmarinated, just like a good steak!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by taffer
    oh yes, kangaroo is the best, all the advantages of red meat, without the fat!
    you gotta cook it well though or else is can get tough, however if you cook it just right, its the best tasting thing in the world, i enjoy it so much unmarinated, just like a good steak!
    I always wanted to try kangaroo, but was never game.
    I might give it a go over the holidays.

  8. Interesrtingl I´ve read an article about cycling in high intensity and the effects of carbohydrat(CHO) supplementation vs. fasting. befor the exercise on muscle metaolism and energy.
    It found that the metabolism didn´t change in groups,but that power-output was higher in the CHO-group.
    thus,only the effects of energy-metaboliastion was examined one can think of better muscle-growth in the CHO group.

  9. Just read that article by Nelson at the top for the 1st time.
    That has to be one of the dumbest ****ing articles I've ever read (and I've read a lot of bad ones)..

  10. I have a question... Does it defeat the purpose if you have a casein shake pre-am cardio if it's low intensity?? I have been having 1 scoop of Micellean before hand and would like to know if it is hurting fat loss efforts.... thanks.

  11. if you read this thread your question is answered

  12. BOBO- OR other knoweledgable people.
    I dont mean to Hijack this thread but I recently injured my knee and I cannot do a light jog for my fatloss morning cardio, which I usually do, so I was curious as to if I could just do a fast walk instead- would that have the same effect as a jog? What should my heartrate be for the fatloss?

    I just dont want to have to go to the gym to use the eliptical every morning when I have a park in my back yard!
    Thanks

  13. 200 -your age is your max HR .. 60-65% of that .. so you want between 120-130 bpm which should be a fast walk anyway

  14. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    200 -your age is your max HR .. 60-65% of that .. so you want between 120-130 bpm which should be a fast walk anyway
    Glenhan,
    So would the above equation work for a person that is 154lbs at 54 yrs of age?

    she needs to be between 120-130bpm, correct??

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jeep69
    I scraped by last semester in my college algebra
    -so what would it be for a 154 lb person??


    weight is not part of the equation bro.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    200 -your age is your max HR .. 60-65% of that .. so you want between 120-130 bpm which should be a fast walk anyway
    Are you sure its 200 - age? I thought it was 220 - age. (At least I hope its 220 or I've had mine figured out wrong for the past 4 months)

  17. its 220

  18. Are we shooting for 65-70% MHR or should it be 65-70% Vo2 max, because when your HR is jacked on something like clen 130-140BPM is a walk at best.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    Are we shooting for 65-70% MHR or should it be 65-70% Vo2 max, because when your HR is jacked on something like clen 130-140BPM is a walk at best.
    The equasion uses heart rate. I find it nearly impossible to keep HR in the specified range when on stims. in that case, I usually pay more attention to breathing. It should be slow and steady during low intensity cardio.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Most pro's do not follow depletion diets until the very last week.

    Do low intesity (60% max) no more than 4 times per week. I don't go longer than 45 minutes (on non workout days) and no more than 30 minutes on days I do it after resistance trianing.
    I've seen you recommend this (no more than 4 days per week) a few times and was wondering why? What about doing it 2 times per day, 4 days per week, or it is only recommended to do it no more than 4 total times per week?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
    BCAAs and glutamine before, moderate intensity (60-70%) for up to 30 min, followed immediately by breakfast.
    what he said...and of course it goes without saying, if you're on AAS you can do cardio whenever for however long and you wont lose a single fiber of muscle (slight exaggeration but you get the point).

  22. What I do is this: 1/2 serving of Ready4War with added ALCAR and BCAA first thing in the morning 30 minutes before going for a 2 mile run. This has been working very well for me and I've noticed greatly increased leanness with NO weight loss. What does that tell you?
    MOTIV8 II Challenge
    -=The Big Squirrel Nut Swingers=-

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Sheesh
    Maybe someone can follow this up. This article seems to be contridicting parts of this thread.

    For those who aren't going to click. It basically says 15-20mins of 90% Vo2 cardio has a similar IGF-1 and GH responce as a heavy lifting session. This seems to be very benificial.

    Pros, obviously, are not looking for this responce so this method would not be valid for them. But how would it work with normal men not supplementing with GH and/or IGF-1?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by doggzj
    Maybe someone can follow this up. This article seems to be contridicting parts of this thread.

    For those who aren't going to click. It basically says 15-20mins of 90% Vo2 cardio has a similar IGF-1 and GH responce as a heavy lifting session. This seems to be very benificial.

    Pros, obviously, are not looking for this responce so this method would not be valid for them. But how would it work with normal men not supplementing with GH and/or IGF-1?
    I have read this in a few different places and can say that I find it to be better at overall body comp improvement than say longer, lower intensity cardio. Also, I don't get the usual ankle and knee soreness (assuming I'm runnng) that I would lower intensity, long carido. Plus, going hardcore for 15-20 minutes is just way more satisfying than pounding the pavement half-assed for 40 minutes.
    MOTIV8 II Challenge
    -=The Big Squirrel Nut Swingers=-

  25. Quote Originally Posted by oldfart
    - Low to moderate intensity.

    - Preferably with ECY about 20-30 mins prior

    - A double small WHEY shake (w/water) or amino pak before is definitely a deal clencher

    Its one of my givens.
    I concur^^
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