[IHateGymMorons]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Not if it is high intesnity exercise. That would be like saying using carbs before resistant training will negate the effects of fat mobilization. It does not.

Yes, you should take some carbs before any high intensity activity.

[IHateGymMorons]

Originally Posted by Bobo

No its not. Low cardio shows a preference for using FFA's for fuel rather than glucose. High intensity exercise OTOH is heavily dependent on glucose.

There are NEVER times you want to use dietary aminos. That means your body has shifted to a point where gluconeogenesis is increased and you do NOT want that.

Yes that's true, but you also said:

"If you are doing low intensity first thing in the morning there is no need for amino acids unless you bought them to be converted in glucose via gluconeogensis."

It's true, your body uses a very high proportion of FFA, so why are you so worried about converting $.50 of amino acids if you're primarily NOT using glucose?

[Newman]

Ummm.....

What is the point of taking amino acids if they are not going to get used for their primary role OR they get converted in glucose? Its a waste.

[Sixpack]

So Bobo do u agree or disagree with taking in anything pre-cardio in the AM

[Newman]

For low intensity, no.

For high, yes.

[Sixpack]

Low intensity do u go by less then 65% MHR , high I assume something like HITT what is your meaning on low bro?
Thanks

Originally Posted by Bobo

For low intensity, no.

For high, yes.

[Newman]

Yes, around 60%.


There is a reason most IFBB pros (actually the majority of all pro's) walk on a treadmill for their cardio.

[IHateGymMorons]

Originally Posted by Bobo

For low intensity, no.

For high, yes.

That makes sense. :-)

[IHateGymMorons]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Yes, around 60%.


There is a reason most IFBB pros (actually the majority of all pro's) walk on a treadmill for their cardio.

Actually I hear that Kevin Levrone has been known to sprint quite a bit. It's hard to imagine a 300lb BB'er doing that or any other form of high intensity cardio for that matter. It's gotta be akward looking for some of those massive freaks. I would think that their inner thighs would rub together so severely fast and hard that they would get some pretty serious skin burns. Ha-ha. also many pros are on 2-a-day workouts so to add in a second high intensity activity would too much. They're better served by a more low and traditional approach.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons

Actually I hear that Kevin Levrone has been known to sprint quite a bit. It's hard to imagine a 300lb BB'er doing that or any other form of high intensity cardio for that matter. It's gotta be akward looking for some of those massive freaks. I would think that their inner thighs would rub together so severely fast and hard that they would get some pretty serious skin burns. Ha-ha. also many pros are on 2-a-day workouts so to add in a second high intensity activity would too much. They're better served by a more low and traditional approach.

He used to be a track and field athlete. He does not sprint during his precontest diet.

Most pro's do not use 2-a-day workouts, they use 2-a-day cardio sessions in the form of low intensity. I see them everyday. Most do a walking session first thing in the morning (usually 45-60 minutes) then take a nap, then they do another 30 minute session after weight traning. Now ALL pro's don't do it this way but the majority follow a schedule similar to that incorpating very low intensity multiple times per week. You also have to take into account the various drug regiments they use. They can do much more in terms of workouts and cardio than the regular person.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons

Actually I hear that Kevin Levrone has been known to sprint quite a bit. It's hard to imagine a 300lb BB'er doing that or any other form of high intensity cardio for that matter. It's gotta be akward looking for some of those massive freaks. I would think that their inner thighs would rub together so severely fast and hard that they would get some pretty serious skin burns. Ha-ha. also many pros are on 2-a-day workouts so to add in a second high intensity activity would too much. They're better served by a more low and traditional approach.

Most of the local pro's aorund here could easily do high intensity if they wished. They are not "freakish" compared to the top guys. You are talking about the top 1% of 1% there.

[IHateGymMorons]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Most of the local pro's aorund here could easily do high intensity if they wished. They are not "freakish" compared to the top guys. You are talking about the top 1% of 1% there.

Yeah, I'm speaking of the guys you see in the Olympia today. Many pros do use 2-a-day's, but this is only for a temporary thing and mostly likely not during a cutting phase. When dieting it's really hard to have energy for both weight training AND HIIT training within the same day - especially for the naturaly guys.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons

Yeah, I'm speaking of the guys you see in the Olympia today. Many pros do use 2-a-day's, but this is only for a temporary thing and mostly likely not during a cutting phase. When dieting it's really hard to have energy for both weight training AND HIIT training within the same day - especially for the naturaly guys.

Not that I know of. The biggest high volume guy was Jay Cutler who used to do split sessions all the time but switched to less volume and less 2-a-days and look what happend? He won. The majority do not use 2-a-days anymore.

[Iron Warrior]

Bobo, would you say that low intensity cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is better than doing cardio post weight training ?

[Newman]

Its tough to say. They both are done in similar conditions (although post workout GH output is fairly high). In truth I have never seen a difference between between the two. Techinally when youi break it down one could be better than another but it would probably be statistically insignificant when it comes to overall results (like most things are). So I wouldn't worry about it too much....

Fat loss is something that occurs over a very long peroid of time.

[MrBean]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

Bobo, would you say that low intensity cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is better than doing cardio post weight training ?

I would have thought that cardio in the morning is better than doing it post workout.
The main reason being that following a workout you need to consume some carbs & protein.
Wouldn't doing cardion following your workout eat into your recovery time?