I dont think I should be doing keto anyway but I really CANT get into it!

AM of day 4.

200f, 150-190p and low/30 cabs max and I dont even have trace on my first pee

I even took 200mg dnp 2 days in a row to burn off my glycogen and am on 25mcg t3 ED

What the hell!

you know that if you are in keto, and burning all the spare ketones ie at caloric deficit that there would be no ketones urinated out right?

Ketostix are worthless in many people's eyes. Don't place a lot of faith in them.

If you are under 30g CHO for 72 hours, you will be in Ketosis (almost always).

Keto is starting to seem pointless. my muscles are WASTING and i cant even get it right

I ordered some insulin because it puts you into keto in a couple hours if you know what you are doing

Originally Posted by justreading

Keto is starting to seem pointless. my muscles are WASTING and i cant even get it right

I ordered some insulin because it puts you into keto in a couple hours if you know what you are doing

Dude... be so careful with insulin. It can put you into keto in a few hours and it can also put you into a coma or death in a few hours. DNP and diet are extreme enough.

+1 Insulin is NOT a good idea. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you are experienced enough for insulin. Like CrazyChemist said, you can go into coma or even die from misuse.

Originally Posted by tyler4

+1 Insulin is NOT a good idea. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you are experienced enough for insulin. Like CrazyChemist said, you can go into coma or even die from misuse.

He's experienced enough, believe me. He's just desperate (to get into keto). I'll get those metformin hcl tabs for you, just hang for a day or two. A couple grams of that and you'll be deep in ketosis.

or anavar, oddly enough

Originally Posted by tyler4

+1 Insulin is NOT a good idea. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you are experienced enough for insulin. Like CrazyChemist said, you can go into coma or even die from misuse.

I am... ive done it for thios purpose

I just don't get it.
Having a breakdown - Can I gain back any muscle on CKD

someone needs a bigger serving of Patienceabol and maybe some mellowdrol

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

someone needs a bigger serving of Patienceabol and maybe some mellowdrol

Yeah man loose all the muscle you gained on a cycle and lose it in less than a week and then tell me i need to be patient...

I dont think anyone gets HOW bad it got, I lost everything in a couple days

then it wasn't muscle gains, it was just glycogen.

Originally Posted by tyler4

+1 Insulin is NOT a good idea. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you are experienced enough for insulin. Like CrazyChemist said, you can go into coma or even die from misuse.

Yeah i didn't mean to imply you weren't experienced. I'm sure if anyone knows what they're doing it is you. I've jsut heard horror stories about insulin being used for keto.

Originally Posted by CrazyChemist

Yeah i didn't mean to imply you weren't experienced. I'm sure if anyone knows what they're doing it is you. I've jsut heard horror stories about insulin being used for keto.

Combo of a few things - I am very insulin insensative, my personal window to mess up is very large. I can used 8-10 IU of slin with 20g of carbs and be fine. the proper way to use it for keto is 2iu every 1-2 hours till you hit keto. I have used 4 in one shot and a simple whey shake is more than enough for anything under 6iu for me

It just really sucks cause I cant seem to show up in keto right now and dont have slin yet

not to hijack the thread but what is metformin hcl, and where can I get some?

Originally Posted by benj851

not to hijack the thread but what is metformin hcl, and where can I get some?

Honestly - its not legal and it kinda sucks. He is a freind trying to help me from having a breakdown in anyway he can, its not a wonder drug in any way

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

then it wasn't muscle gains, it was just glycogen.

Agreed.

I look much smaller on Keto diets but balloon right back on carb day.

To OP: your not using Keto sticks to determine whether you are in ketosis or not are you?

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

someone needs a bigger serving of Patienceabol and maybe some mellowdrol

can you stack that with chilloutanon?

Originally Posted by bpmartyr

Agreed.

I look much smaller on Keto diets but balloon right back on carb day.

To OP: your not using Keto sticks to determine whether you are in ketosis or not are you?

I was hoping the ketostickx would tell me yeah...

I went to the gym today and broke down. I am down like 8 pounds or more and cant take it.

I am having an all out pig out till my next workout tomorrow then eating clean before starting keto again next week

Originally Posted by CrazyChemist

can you stack that with chilloutanon?

You can but it would work better with 10 grams of tranquilizer

Pigging out and then going back to keto is going to do the same thing. When you go into keto and drop carbs, do you not drop weight quicky the first few days?

I can EASILY drop 8 lbs switching to no/low carb. As a matter of fact, I am down 5lbs right now after starting on no carbs yesterday morning. Glycogen is heavy.

The keto sticks are not a good indicator and will usually only show for me if calorie intake is really high. You may very well be in ketosis but your using all of the kotones as fuel and no excess is being flushed out with your urine.

Instead of "pigging out", try a "refeed". Eat plenty of carbs & protein but drop the fat to next to nothing for a day.

Originally Posted by bpmartyr

Instead of "pigging out", try a "refeed". Eat plenty of carbs & protein but drop the fat to next to nothing for a day.

Iroinic but I was getting over swine flu for 2 weeks so i may as well pig out... Also my idea of pig out id pasta with chicken and maybe reduced fat ice cream once or twice - the rest is clean carbs

Originally Posted by bpmartyr

The keto sticks are not a good indicator and will usually only show for me if calorie intake is really high. You may very well be in ketosis but your using all of the kotones as fuel and no excess is being flushed out with your urine.

I guess that is very possibly - i was using some dnp to drive down my blood sugar and glycogen

Most likely I will started a timed keto diet and use slin/dnp to control my blood sugar and glycogen... I've always shown ketosis before so I have to figure out how things changed

I lost inches on keto like a mad wild animal. My weight stayed the same but I lost inches and that was great. Yes you're flat on keto, your muscles smaller, deal with it, push through the no carb. It's the best feeling to pump extra, extra hard on keto and say F&&&& you to it and get a great workout. The results at the end of your keto cycle, mine was a good month are well worth it.

Im thinking pre-wo TKD

Some DNP early in the week

AND

Some slin after one large carb meal a week...

To all the newer members, the OP doesn't really want your advice. He thinks that more chemicals are the answer, even though he said one possible solution, "metformin", is not a wonder drug. Save yourself time and mental anguish and move on to another post.

Originally Posted by youngandfree

To all the newer members, the OP doesn't really want your advice. He thinks that more chemicals are the answer, even though he said one possible solution, "metformin", is not a wonder drug. Save yourself time and mental anguish and move on to another post.

Dude really - I had a breakdown I admit it. 2 weeks out of work, losing all your weight and being forced to let your ex take care of you because you are weaker than a 2 year old can weaken even the strongest person BUT that does not mean anything I have suggested for my new plan is less than effective.... What have you said that is enlightening

Originally Posted by youngandfree

To all the newer members, the OP doesn't really want your advice. .

This part is right - only experienced members will have the knowledge to understand the theories behind my selection and timing of chemicals