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    Quote Originally Posted by alexoc949 View Post
    I did, disagree.

    but for 1. i never quoted you or said hey smeethon I'm talking to you.

    number 2. you probably should have learned to warm up and stretch more efficiently, and be more in tune with your body as to when to and when not to push yourself beyond a certain limit. Happens often with amateur lifters

    number 3. she is 5'4 205 female. I'll say it again, female. I'm not asking her to race herself into injuries like you did. Or even do any sort of high intensity cardio. I'm saying she needs to strive to improve her physical fitness by upping her intensity. Improving just a little every or every other workout. Low intensity walking is not going to do it, She needs to push herself so that what was low intensity 2 weeks ago is a cake walk today.

    number 4. HITT training burns too much muscle when you don't have the adequate nutrients running through your system, or if you do 45 minutes of it like you did and burn yourself out. So your opinion on it is understandable. Ideally you would want to do half the time.

    number 5. i don't know if she is a football player or not, but judging by her goals I'm going to guess no, or unless she wants to be a wide receiver
    Hate to veer this off track again, but I have to agree, and it's a shame HIIT is being presented this way, and was never intended to be run for 45min at a time and certainly not 6x a week. Sprinting definitely has helped me and I doubt I will ever use low intensity cardio again. GPP and HIIT are superb for all aspects of conditioning, Vo2, fat loss while sparing muscle. Smeton, have you done GPP and do you consider that to be catabolic to muscle? I feel like if you supplement correctly, HIIT and GPP can be very effective while sparing muscle and increasing metabolism far greater than low intensity cardio (just from personal experience).

    Back on topic, and forgive my ignorance but the point of aspirin in the stack is to keep cAMP levels elevated, so are you saying since the 1/2life of aspirin is pretty long (according to the profile on wiki a 300-600mg dose is only 3.5+- hours) it doesn't really matter if 81mg is taken or 325mg?

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    Ok ill come off the sideline on this one....


    If you want to do the eca stack just do it look up the info there is alot out there on it...

    all the variants of it look at it like this jacking off is good but sex is better go for the real thing.....

    I have used this website for years now.....


    dne-ephedrine.com

    fax them 2 forms of id and you can buy as much ephedrine as your state will allow you to have...After you fax you info i just called them i couldn't find a defined answer for AZ...I also put in an order for what i wanted and they only charged and sent what i could have i don't know if they still do it.....

    I also buy my caffine from them too its cheap for the pills....

    Oh yeah for AZ you can only get the bolt ephedrine formula 200 x2 boxs i don't know how frequently you can order but i do this every few months on and off....

    Since i dont have enough posts it won't let me post a link but search dne-ephedrine and thats the site i use...



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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    Ok ill come off the sideline on this one....


    If you want to do the eca stack just do it look up the info there is alot out there on it...

    all the variants of it look at it like this jacking off is good but sex is better go for the real thing.....

    I have used this website for years now.....


    dne-ephedrine.com

    fax them 2 forms of id and you can buy as much ephedrine as your state will allow you to have...After you fax you info i just called them i couldn't find a defined answer for AZ...I also put in an order for what i wanted and they only charged and sent what i could have i don't know if they still do it.....

    I also buy my caffine from them too its cheap for the pills....

    Oh yeah for AZ you can only get the bolt ephedrine formula 200 x2 boxs i don't know how frequently you can order but i do this every few months on and off....

    Since i dont have enough posts it won't let me post a link but search dne-ephedrine and thats the site i use...



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    Using this method will still cost you more than going to walgreens or CVS, and you don't have to fax them two photo IDs. Walgreens and CVS have bronkaid, no doze, and bayer which is all you need. This website sells you the same **** and it's more expensive.

    I bought 2 boxes of bronkaid, 1 bottle of no doze, and 1 bottle of bayer for about 40 bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Using this method will still cost you more than going to walgreens or CVS, and you don't have to fax them two photo IDs. Walgreens and CVS have bronkaid, no doze, and bayer which is all you need. This website sells you the same **** and it's more expensive.

    I bought 2 boxes of bronkaid, 1 bottle of no doze, and 1 bottle of bayer for about 40 bucks.

    I was unaware we were splitting hairs and pinching pennies!!

    However since we are splitting hairs...i never said 2 photo ids and if you would have checked the website and read on any of the order pages under the amount this disclaimer is clearly there ill paste it for your convience...

    California
    Outside of the United States

    Any and all orders requesting a shipment into one of these areas will be cancelled.

    Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-221-1833 prior to ordering. In addition, two (2) valid forms of identification and a completed identification form are required in order to receive ephedrine products.

    Please click on the following link for the identification form and submission instructions:


    DNE Identification Form

    Also for penny pinching i guess some people are looking for the cheapest way...As for myself i value my time and would rather it be shipped to me for my convience or lazy ass however you look at it neither of us are wrong on that one....but before we blindly bash one way of getting around the barn please note that theres lots of ways around the barn but we get to the same place.....keep being frugel it will pay off in the long run!!!
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    i ordered online from a site and they didnt want anyform of id.I posted it somewhere in this thread.

    I went with rapid action because its 25mg of hci not sulf and has half the q in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    I was unaware we were splitting hairs and pinching pennies!!

    However since we are splitting hairs...i never said 2 photo ids and if you would have checked the website and read on any of the order pages under the amount this disclaimer is clearly there ill paste it for your convience...

    California
    Outside of the United States

    Any and all orders requesting a shipment into one of these areas will be cancelled.

    Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-221-1833 prior to ordering. In addition, two (2) valid forms of identification and a completed identification form are required in order to receive ephedrine products.

    Please click on the following link for the identification form and submission instructions:


    DNE Identification Form

    Also for penny pinching i guess some people are looking for the cheapest way...As for myself i value my time and would rather it be shipped to me for my convience or lazy ass however you look at it neither of us are wrong on that one....but before for blindly bash one way of getting around the barn please note that theres lots of ways around the barn but we get to the same place.....keep being frugel it will pay off in the long run!!!
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

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    No high horse i just don't like to be bashed for nothing if i have it coming then ill take it i was offering an option and since its not the one you like you argue.....

    I have no interest in the company other than they have supplied me products when i have ordered them in a timely fashion...

    "humping on being lazy" If you must know im watching a couple stocks i have an interest in one is palm im hoping for decent gains on the release of the pre phone i do have a bit of money riding on that investment...as for lazy not me my man i have already ran 3 miles in an average time and took my son to school and waiting for 10 to come around for 2 clients to show up for mma training then ill nap and do my p.m. session around 4-5 this is a normal day for me...oh yeah i like to take 1 day off every 8-10 depending on how i feel...

    I hope your day is going well it seems not since you would rather argue then just take the information for what it is if it doesnt appeal to you thats fine it will help someone...since you have alot of time on your hands also you should search ...masakatsu agatsu for the meaning you might find it interesting....



    Skratch can you post the website name or link i missed it when i went through the posts...thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    No high horse i just don't like to be bashed for nothing if i have it coming then ill take it i was offering an option and since its not the one you like you argue.....

    I have no interest in the company other than they have supplied me products when i have ordered them in a timely fashion...

    "humping on being lazy" If you must know im watching a couple stocks i have an interest in one is palm im hoping for decent gains on the release of the pre phone i do have a bit of money riding on that investment...as for lazy not me my man i have already ran 3 miles in an average time and took my son to school and waiting for 10 to come around for 2 clients to show up for mma training then ill nap and do my p.m. session around 4-5 this is a normal day for me...oh yeah i like to take 1 day off every 8-10 depending on how i feel...

    I hope your day is going well it seems not since you would rather argue then just take the information for what it is if it doesnt appeal to you thats fine it will help someone...since you have alot of time on your hands also you should search ...masakatsu agatsu for the meaning you might find it interesting....


    Actually, you retorted in a negative fashion to someone that was just trying to give you help/advice. Your demeanor in response to a simple informational post was confrontational and condescending. Reread, the back and forth.
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    Clen for 4 weeks then ECA for 4 weeks and go back and forth till results are achieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbforlifee View Post
    Clen for 4 weeks then ECA for 4 weeks and go back and forth till results are achieved.
    I don't know how effective this would be as Clen and ECA both work on the same pathways, clen just happens to be a little stronger and seems best ran at 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Actually, you retorted in a negative fashion to someone that was just trying to give you help/advice. Your demeanor in response to a simple informational post was confrontational and condescending. Reread, the back and forth.

    I would only expect a negative response after a reply to me that the company i simply suggested is overpriced and sells the same **** as a walgreens or cvs in no way was that post ment to be informational can you see how i would take it?However in this thread you share some good information and i thank you for that but if you don't like the company i suggest you attack me implying i have a vested interest in the company....maybe it would be better stated i can get it cheaper or hey dumbass i pay xxx for the product you could be saving xxx and i then could have a retort in a different manner...


    you can buy your products from whoever you like and ill do the same keep up the good work in the things you do...we can throw this back and forth all day but its becoming a dead horse now thanks for the info on being able to get the product for a cheaper price....
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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    I would only expect a negative response after a reply to me that the company i simply suggested is overpriced and sells the same **** as a walgreens or cvs in no way was that post ment to be informational can you see how i would take it?However in this thread you share some good information and i thank you for that but if you don't like the company i suggest you attack me implying i have a vested interest in the company....maybe it would be better stated i can get it cheaper or hey dumbass i pay xxx for the product you could be saving xxx and i then could have a retort in a different manner...


    you can buy your products from whoever you like and ill do the same keep up the good work in the things you do...we can throw this back and forth all day but its becoming a dead horse now thanks for the info on being able to get the product for a cheaper price....
    Eh, it is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I don't know how effective this would be as Clen and ECA both work on the same pathways, clen just happens to be a little stronger and seems best ran at 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

    I have used clen and eca to cut from 200 to fight at 185 in 8 weeks in the past the eca is better for me...because the clen seems to be alittle to much for training and water loss...during the training sessions


    i would say the eca is better then clen for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    I would only expect a negative response after a reply to me that the company i simply suggested is overpriced and sells the same **** as a walgreens or cvs in no way was that post ment to be informational can you see how i would take it?However in this thread you share some good information and i thank you for that but if you don't like the company i suggest you attack me implying i have a vested interest in the company....maybe it would be better stated i can get it cheaper or hey dumbass i pay xxx for the product you could be saving xxx and i then could have a retort in a different manner...


    you can buy your products from whoever you like and ill do the same keep up the good work in the things you do...we can throw this back and forth all day but its becoming a dead horse now thanks for the info on being able to get the product for a cheaper price....
    Use whatever site or method you wish, I just wanted it to be known to everyone else reading this thread that it's cheaper, quicker, and less hassle to go to a CVS/Walgreens than using the website you provided. That is informational, and factual. Sorry if you were offended.
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    Since this has been brought up again,I dont know why some of you are so crazzy about 5 bucks.

    first bronkaid sux....period,its ephedrine sul.not hci,every single study is based off ephedrine HCI.

    second primatene is ok but has 12.5 mg and youd have to take in double the Guaifenesin

    rapid action ephedrine is 25mg ephedrine hci and 200mg Guaifenesin/tab,it comes in 48 cap bottles and runs about 17 bucks.

    So when you go to walgreens at least make sure your buying ephedrine hci,or buy online and be done with it,I dont like giving them my id when I buy from the local stores anyway

    carry on
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    Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Since this has been brought up again,I dont know why some of you are so crazzy about 5 bucks.

    first bronkaid sux....period,its ephedrine sul.not hci,every single study is based off ephedrine HCI.

    second primatene is ok but has 12.5 mg and youd have to take in double the Guaifenesin

    rapid action ephedrine is 25mg ephedrine hci and 200mg Guaifenesin/tab,it comes in 48 cap bottles and runs about 17 bucks.

    So when you go to walgreens at least make sure your buying ephedrine hci,or buy online and be done with it,I dont like giving them my id when I buy from the local stores anyway

    carry on
    Have you ever taken bronkaid? I'm using it now and it's working like a charm. Both bronkaid and primatene get the job done. There is a very little difference in the effectiveness of sulfate and hcl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Since this has been brought up again,I dont know why some of you are so crazzy about 5 bucks.

    first bronkaid sux....period,its ephedrine sul.not hci,every single study is based off ephedrine HCI.

    second primatene is ok but has 12.5 mg and youd have to take in double the Guaifenesin

    rapid action ephedrine is 25mg ephedrine hci and 200mg Guaifenesin/tab,it comes in 48 cap bottles and runs about 17 bucks.

    So when you go to walgreens at least make sure your buying ephedrine hci,or buy online and be done with it,I dont like giving them my id when I buy from the local stores anyway

    carry on
    The salt is not changing the base compound, but instead changing absobtion and half life times. I use Walgreen Primatene generic (I like the Guif).... but I cant see the sulfate being much different in effects. Like saying Test Enanthate and Cyp have broadly different effects.

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    HCI lasts way longer for me and is more affected,its more potant and is what was used to make the eca stack.

    take what ever you think works best for you,but hci>sulfate end of story.
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    skratch what is the website you mentioned earlier??i didnt catch it when i read the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Since this has been brought up again,I dont know why some of you are so crazzy about 5 bucks.

    first bronkaid sux....period,its ephedrine sul.not hci,every single study is based off ephedrine HCI.

    second primatene is ok but has 12.5 mg and youd have to take in double the Guaifenesin

    rapid action ephedrine is 25mg ephedrine hci and 200mg Guaifenesin/tab,it comes in 48 cap bottles and runs about 17 bucks.

    So when you go to walgreens at least make sure your buying ephedrine hci,or buy online and be done with it,I dont like giving them my id when I buy from the local stores anyway

    carry on
    skratch your very misinforming. see the below post

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Have you ever taken bronkaid? I'm using it now and it's working like a charm. Both bronkaid and primatene get the job done. There is a very little difference in the effectiveness of sulfate and hcl.
    its about the same I think hcl is 20 % % and sulfate 18 there is very little difference so much it really doesnt matter much
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    skratch your very misinforming. see the below post

    its about the same I think hcl is 20 % % and sulfate 18 there is very little difference so much it really doesnt matter much

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    I believe there is a post earlier in this thread that tells you the difference between HCL and Sulfate. If HCL works better for you, that's great. Sulfate may also work better for others than HCL, so do not knock it. Everyone will respond differently to different compounds.
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    IDK wut they problem is, but since Ive been off of ECA, my appetite is through the roof, is this because the suppression is gone? or did I do something wrong? I am always hungry!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    IDK wut they problem is, but since Ive been off of ECA, my appetite is through the roof, is this because the suppression is gone? or did I do something wrong? I am always hungry!!
    that's what I would assume. But when are we supposed to be full on a cut anyways =p
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    IDK wut they problem is, but since Ive been off of ECA, my appetite is through the roof, is this because the suppression is gone? or did I do something wrong? I am always hungry!!
    Yes Eca is an appetite suppressant. Its best to time it for when you go back into eating more calories mode.
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    Well if some of you want some hard info on why hci is better,I posted the patent on eca,there is over 5000 pages of research there if some of you feel like going out to buy the books they refer to.

    Hci is better and has been proven time and time again to be better,tell that to the doctors that spent a decade working of the eca stack that sulfate is better and ask them why they didnt use sulfate.

    go take 50mg of sulfate and then wait a few days and take 50mg of hci and you will see why they use it.

    way to much broscience in here folks,what I post is backed by research,not hersay of what you think works like a charm.

    I foget the site I got mine from,I just did a search for rapid action ephedrine and it came up.

    also if someone has ppa(nor ehedrine base)witch I do,means that its just as good as nor ephedrine hci.....guess what? i have almost 500 pills of ppa that dosnt do crap when taken,nothing and I made a thread on asking how to add an hci to the base to make it more potant.

    HCI makes a huge difference on the drugs at hand,if you think other wise thats fine but dont come in here preaching like its as good because its not and there is science behind it.

    look up the eca patent and see how many univesities used sulfate,Oh wait let me just save you the time,thats right NONE....
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    now now you dont want to admit your wrong...dude do some more research before you bash stuff and run your mouth. just admit that you were wrong both convert to the same thing basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Well if some of you want some hard info on why hci is better,I posted the patent on eca,there is over 5000 pages of research there if some of you feel like going out to buy the books they refer to.

    Hci is better and has been proven time and time again to be better,tell that to the doctors that spent a decade working of the eca stack that sulfate is better and ask them why they didnt use sulfate.

    go take 50mg of sulfate and then wait a few days and take 50mg of hci and you will see why they use it.

    way to much broscience in here folks,what I post is backed by research,not hersay of what you think works like a charm.

    I foget the site I got mine from,I just did a search for rapid action ephedrine and it came up.

    also if someone has ppa(nor ehedrine base)witch I do,means that its just as good as nor ephedrine hci.....guess what? i have almost 500 pills of ppa that dosnt do crap when taken,nothing and I made a thread on asking how to add an hci to the base to make it more potant.

    HCI makes a huge difference on the drugs at hand,if you think other wise thats fine but dont come in here preaching like its as good because its not and there is science behind it.

    look up the eca patent and see how many univesities used sulfate,Oh wait let me just save you the time,thats right NONE....
    post a link. We all don't mind being proven wrong every once and a while so long as we become educated and learn something in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Well if some of you want some hard info on why hci is better,I posted the patent on eca,there is over 5000 pages of research there if some of you feel like going out to buy the books they refer to.

    Hci is better and has been proven time and time again to be better,tell that to the doctors that spent a decade working of the eca stack that sulfate is better and ask them why they didnt use sulfate.

    go take 50mg of sulfate and then wait a few days and take 50mg of hci and you will see why they use it.

    way to much broscience in here folks,what I post is backed by research,not hersay of what you think works like a charm.

    I foget the site I got mine from,I just did a search for rapid action ephedrine and it came up.

    also if someone has ppa(nor ehedrine base)witch I do,means that its just as good as nor ephedrine hci.....guess what? i have almost 500 pills of ppa that dosnt do crap when taken,nothing and I made a thread on asking how to add an hci to the base to make it more potant.

    HCI makes a huge difference on the drugs at hand,if you think other wise thats fine but dont come in here preaching like its as good because its not and there is science behind it.

    look up the eca patent and see how many univesities used sulfate,Oh wait let me just save you the time,thats right NONE....
    Again, I ask you... is Test Enanthate so much better than Cypionate?

    When you come to a conclusion you will realize how absurd your statements are.

    Now if you want to get into the weight of the salts, then we can have a discussion instead of randomly spewing thoughts with no proof to back it up other than "Well they used it in a study."

    The sulfate is much heavier than its counterpart... hence:
    Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

    Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

    Adjust for weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Yes Eca is an appetite suppressant. Its best to time it for when you go back into eating more calories mode.
    eating more calories??? then why diet??
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    ooo do you mean "more calories" mode by when your next meal is or when your going to eat, in that particular day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    ooo do you mean "more calories" mode by when your next meal is or when your going to eat, in that particular day?
    I think he means when you bring your cals back up to maintenace or for bulking purposes. You should run an ECA cycle right before going back into a maintain/bulk phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I think he means when you bring your cals back up to maintenace or for bulking purposes. You should run an ECA cycle right before going back into a maintain/bulk phase.
    thats my plan before my cycle of Hdrol/Furaguno. but being that both of these compounds are "cutters" I will not be doing a conventional bulk, just slighty eating over maintenance
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    KgTomCat plan to up calories when you come off of the eca stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    KgTomCat plan to up calories when you come off of the eca stack.
    I did, and will do it again, and I learned some more about Cortisol, and got some DHEA
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Again, I ask you... is Test Enanthate so much better than Cypionate?

    When you come to a conclusion you will realize how absurd your statements are.

    Now if you want to get into the weight of the salts, then we can have a discussion instead of randomly spewing thoughts with no proof to back it up other than "Well they used it in a study."

    The sulfate is much heavier than its counterpart... hence:
    Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

    Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

    Adjust for weight.

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    it has nothing to do with the weight,adding hci to base ephedrine increses the absortion and affects of the drug in the body.

    I have base 1r,2s nor-ephedrine,it takes huge amounts to give it the bang the hci version would give.I am going to attempt to add hci to it for better intake.

    adding hci to base ephedrine makes it stronger in the body,go ahead and try the 2 and see witch one is more potant.even if you take in a little more sulfate the hci will still hit harder.
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    just a quick poll...which do you (anyone reading along) prefer ???
    ECA or ECY
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    Can you take EC while on a cycle of PH/AAS and/or during PCT? Just curious, don't remember if i've seen this in here or not.
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