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- 05-27-2009, 11:56 AM
- 05-27-2009, 12:35 PM
Thanks everyone! I was almost afraid to post because some forums tend to chew noobs with stupid questions to pieces.
- 05-27-2009, 12:54 PM
I gotta disagree with all this walking talk and low intensity cardio. You need to keep pushing yourself. While low low intensity cardio might be ideal for a 220lb bodybuilder who is solid and needs to drop 3-4% bf, while being precise with diet and strength training...there are different strokes for different folks.
You need to get yourself in shape and drop weight. In my opinion, low intensity walking is not the cup of tea that should be in your pot.
Above someone said you have to crawl before you can walk, this is true. So you'll have to walk before you can jog. How you keep pushing yourself is by working on improving your cardio performance in some way. So say 45 minutes is your baseline. Ways to improve is by increasing your walking speed by point one mph. That is an improvement over your previous workout. Another way, if you're walking and then jogging you can shorten the time between walking and jogging by 15 seconds in a workout.. or every time you jog you can extend the amount of time that you jog for 10 seconds.
My advice is to keep striving to get better and to improve some aspect over your previous workout. It won't happen every time, but if that is your goal it will continuously happen. It really keeps you more motivated and gives you more of a sense of accomplishment.
05-27-2009, 02:39 PM
Disagree with it if you like, but it's scientifically proven that lower intensity cardio will burn more calories from fat (but less calories overall) and spare muscle.
Stellar, you can keep pushing yourself by simply adding 5 minutes per week to your low intensity cardio. Start with 20 mins per week. When you hit 40 mins per week, split that into two sessions (one upon waking and one after your resistance training) This is a pretty good method to lose the weight in a slow and controlled manner and be in shape in the time frame that you are currently looking at. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need help with diet/training.
That being said, lets get back on topic kiddies. We are here to talk about ECA.
05-27-2009, 03:07 PM
I'm not sure if you're reading her posts or not, but she is 5'4 205lbs and is already doing 45 minutes of low intensity cardio. I'm not denying that low intensity burns more calories from fat during a workout. High intensity burns more calories et al more fat at rest and speeds up the metabolism throughout the day. Both things that this persons needs. I'm not telling her to do HIIT, or to do high intensity cardio. I'm telling her to step up her intensity and to constantly work at improving her fitness by improving her output.
You're basically just telling her to do the exact same thing that she has been doing, but that is no longer producing the type of results that she seeks.
05-27-2009, 03:16 PM
05-27-2009, 05:13 PM
High intensity cardio constantly burns too much muscle. get your bodyfat in check year round and its no worries....if your a football player improving spints, fine... after pulling my hamstrong running hard I said screw it.do what works for you!
remember younger lighter guys it most likely wont be a problem. whatever your goals are .
05-27-2009, 07:05 PM
05-27-2009, 08:34 PM
but for 1. i never quoted you or said hey smeethon I'm talking to you.
number 2. you probably should have learned to warm up and stretch more efficiently, and be more in tune with your body as to when to and when not to push yourself beyond a certain limit. Happens often with amateur lifters
number 3. she is 5'4 205 female. I'll say it again, female. I'm not asking her to race herself into injuries like you did. Or even do any sort of high intensity cardio. I'm saying she needs to strive to improve her physical fitness by upping her intensity. Improving just a little every or every other workout. Low intensity walking is not going to do it, She needs to push herself so that what was low intensity 2 weeks ago is a cake walk today.
number 4. HITT training burns too much muscle when you don't have the adequate nutrients running through your system, or if you do 45 minutes of it like you did and burn yourself out. So your opinion on it is understandable. Ideally you would want to do half the time.
number 5. i don't know if she is a football player or not, but judging by her goals I'm going to guess no, or unless she wants to be a wide receiver
05-27-2009, 10:33 PM
3.Diet is the most important thing for her. In fact she gets her diet shell lose bodyfat(and keep a good amount of muscle with high protein) without having to do any cardio. Most people its hard to give up a daily apple pie ,cupcake, and snickers. I know it was hard for mee, again, when you have a goal to work toward its really not that difficult.
05-27-2009, 11:42 PM
A solid diet is something you learn to do, it's not something that occurs overnight. It's a matter of how much she wants to lose the weight to whether or not she'll be able to hold up by drinking a Diet Dr. Pepper instead of Dr. Pepper or so on. Cardio definitely is NOT a must and a huge chunk of weight can be taken off without any of it. Too often I think people think if they do cardio it'll ok the big mac they ate before that but i'd rather see someone just eat right consistently, watch there carbs at night, and not quit after a week before they have a chance to see progress.
05-28-2009, 12:48 AM
05-28-2009, 01:07 AM
I must be doing something right then haha.
05-28-2009, 01:09 AM
It's not rocket science people, losing weight means eating less calories than your body needs to run, thus in turn burning fat/muscle or whatever it needs to get you through the day. The only time it gets tricky is when you are trying to keep your body from using muscle while burning the fat, the rest is cake.
05-28-2009, 10:09 AM
Thanks again for the exercise tips. Wow with so many different opinions it's hard to figure out what's best. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the overall consensus is to continue working harder- not to become a marathon runner, but add some speed, increase incline (which I haven't done yet, it's on flat and an incline would definitely add some challenge), and maybe break it up into two sessions (which I've read in other places as well).
ECA side note & Q- I can't believe this, but I lost 5lbs (water weight I suppose) in ONE DAY. I've been sweating more too... this is normal, right?
Just to clarify- my diet is good. I've spent a lot of time browsing this site and links to articles and such. I've followed diets similar to what is suggested here and on the links (4-5 small meals, increased calories, plenty of complex carbs, square meals, etc). My usual diet isn't bad, but by the looks of my results thus far something needs to change. I'm going to add planned snacks between meals, eat more calories, do a lot more strength training (and more intense... time to dust off the ole weight bench), and take in a lot more protein (was at at ~60g, increasing to ~100g per day). My eating habits and knowledge of how to eat are good... and I've kicked my bad habits months ago.... my biggest problem is getting my horrible metabolism in order. Thanks to you folks and all of the advice I've read in these forums, I am confident I'll be able to do so in a fairly short amount of time.
Now back to your regularly scheduled ECA discussion....
05-28-2009, 10:58 AM
I do walking for cardio,I never run and Im down 15 lbs in 3 and a half weeks and all my lifts are the same,I havnt lost any strenght at all.
I do 5 min increases one on the incline and one on the speed every 5 min until I get around 50 min or so,by the 25 min I am soaked in sweat.
Some times I do this 2x a day and on an empty stomach in the am.
05-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Sweating your a$$ off is your body's way of saying that the ephedra is doing it's job. That 5lb loss is in fact water weight, probably loss from the ephedra and any changes you've made in your diet.
05-28-2009, 05:48 PM
hey guys, i've been dosing my ECA once a day (A every other). Do you guys recommend upping the A dosage when I start taking two tabs of E and C each day?
05-28-2009, 05:52 PM
id say stick to one a dose just to be safe if ur running eca for a while?
05-28-2009, 06:24 PM
05-28-2009, 10:30 PM
I do Baby Asprin (1-2X a day) they're only 81mg...are you taking a full A?
05-29-2009, 08:08 AM
It would make sense to up your dosage of aspirin as you up your dosage of E and C.
05-29-2009, 09:40 AM
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05-29-2009, 11:12 AM
If darkhalf is about to say he runs 50/400... my daring side to do everything to the extreme is kicking in and im going to have to try next time i stack it. Altho that seems like a pretty high dose if you plan on doing cardio or an intense wo. ie when i am cutting, i do alot of super sets etc
05-29-2009, 11:42 AM
my bad DarkHalf...
after 4 weekd of ECA I felt incredible, once I got my diet down the fat seemed to just fall off! I wish I could run ECA or ECY for 12 weeks LOL
05-29-2009, 12:03 PM
05-29-2009, 02:54 PM
06-03-2009, 12:09 PM
Hmm.. This has got me thinking ... I was going to do a clen cycle but now I might got with this
06-03-2009, 01:41 PM
06-03-2009, 03:10 PM
Any links or guides on all I need or what brands work best?
06-03-2009, 04:19 PM
this may be a dumb question, but why is it you can run clen for a longer amount of time than ECA/ECY???
06-03-2009, 07:27 PM
06-03-2009, 08:45 PM
06-03-2009, 08:50 PM
06-03-2009, 09:08 PM
yea, I miss it, it was like crack, once your off of it you realize the effect lol
06-03-2009, 09:22 PM
06-03-2009, 10:34 PM
cold turkey would cause uncomfortable sides. ive done it cold turkey and it took about a full week to feel normal again. the above is a better option
06-03-2009, 11:50 PM
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