Save your money use ECA Stack
- 05-12-2009, 07:17 PM
i would just take one aspirin a day at most, some people recommend one every 2 days to avoid stomach problems.
i bought some white willow bark, supposedly the active ingredient in aspirin is a derivative of it so u can take it without stomach problems.
ive been wondering myself about dosing ecay. everyone always has u do ecy or eca but never all 4. i tried it this morning but im thinking of just taking the aspirin once a day in the morning and dropping the y for that dose if necessary.
as far as gte is concerned, i tried using that to replace my caffeine for a couple doses but just felt like i got less caffeine. maybe it needs to add up or something, im sure other people know better than me about it. its almost as cheap as the c so im gonna use it when i run out.
i have an abundance of random stims so im trying to see what would work with it safely. i was thinking of tossing in some geranium extract but that may be overkill
- 05-12-2009, 07:24 PM
05-12-2009, 07:55 PM
Yohimbe is not recomended because when mixed with eca it makes a really hard stimulant effect,that is the reason why norepedrine caf/asprin was made up because nor ephedrine is much less potant as a stim as ephedrine.
Your best bet is to use topical yohimbe an our or two before cardio.
the ephedrine and caf dont make you lose weight,the adrenalin your body pumps out when taking them is and asprin will make your body make more adrenalin and keep it from tapping down after a few days.
people go ahead and try it without aspirin,you will see what I mean once you add it after and you dont even need to wait a few days just add it after 5 days on ec and see how hard it will hit with the added aspirin.
I can find many articles on eca testing,there is scientific proof that it works,why try and recreate the wheel?
its called eca stack for a reason lol.
Ohh and be ready to want to puke all day if you add green tea and yohimbe to that stack.
05-12-2009, 11:19 PM
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05-13-2009, 12:37 AM
05-13-2009, 01:25 AM
just start off slow i guess? im not really an expert either, just learning from playing with different doses and compounds so if anyone knows any actual info why eca with green tea/ yohimbine may be bad itd be appreciated
05-13-2009, 02:51 AM
05-13-2009, 03:48 AM
05-13-2009, 04:16 AM
I cant take yohimbine I did two stacks of it; although it worked the sides are too much for me. shivering, nausea, too many sides
its really no set way to do this
you can do
do what you think works best for you. it may take some expirementing. and remember every body is different so just dont take what works on someones else's word because that what works for them.
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05-13-2009, 04:42 AM
05-13-2009, 04:59 AM
many people dont know about this stuff. good information in this thread! I feel very fortunate to be a member here and activetly particpate in this discussion you guys are my homies
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05-13-2009, 05:17 AM
05-13-2009, 05:21 AM
Abuse of guaifenesin-containing medications genera...[Urology. 1999] - PubMed Result
heres another Guaifenesin- and ephedrine-induced stones. [J Endourol. 1999] - PubMed Result
the closest thing Ive found is very broad stating that abuse leads to stones. so its best to not exceed recommended dosing or stones can be had.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15673990?ordinalpos=1&itool=En trezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pub med_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_Discov eryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&l inkpos=2&log$=relatedreviews&l ogdbfrom=pubmed
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05-13-2009, 05:47 AM
Sounds like it's OK to use for short cycles and taken in moderation, but certainly not something I'd use on a regular basis.
Is this commonly available in any pharmacy? Any reason not to buy it online?
05-13-2009, 08:19 AM
So that can be annoying to provide, may be easier to just go to CVS or Walgreens and see if they have it.
05-13-2009, 10:14 AM
05-13-2009, 10:16 AM
I just ordered these from supplementcentral.com I can get the stuff down the street at any gas station but the people keep upping the price.
I just paid 17 for 24 12.5mg caps there,then saw they were 12mg so I ordered online for the rest of my cycle
qty item price total
3 Rapid Action Ephedrine HCl 25mg 48 table $17.95 $53.85
items total: $53.85
UPS Ground shipping: $6.02
total charges: $59.87
05-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Now if you were to use simply Ephedrine and GTE (contains Caffeine and acts as a COMT inhibitor [similar to what the intent of aspirin is for]) you kill two birds with one stone.
Then switch to Y and GTE (for the same stated reasons above)
Then as you assess your tolerance you could go E/Y/GTE. This way you don't need caffeine nor aspirin.
A point that many forget is that you do not need to feel wired to be stimulating receptors and in a thermogenic state. Caffeine is often the main culprit in generating the stimulated effect. If you do desire more caffeine use more GTE as it has a plethora of other health benefits such as improved lipids, anti-oxidant, etc. etc. Keep in mind though that increased GTE (COMT inhibitor) means that your stimulants will last longer with the potential for insomnia and the likes.
05-13-2009, 10:38 AM
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05-13-2009, 10:56 AM
05-13-2009, 11:09 AM
05-13-2009, 01:28 PM
i think thats the point...that u will have to take the asthma medicine
ive been using primatene, theres a cvs brand thats like 6 bucks for 24 count of 12.5mg e hcl. it does work out to be the same amount of guafeniesin as the bronkaid though. that looks a bit better for a few bucks more
05-13-2009, 01:31 PM
haha i keep changing up my dose after reading these posts, great info though. i think i like it with the y and i get no negative effects from it.
i have noticed a change from the asprin though, it seems to kick harder and last longer. il try one with gte and see if its as effective (or is it supposed to be a more subtle feeling but still work the same way?)
i have only about a week and a half left on this cycle but i guess i can figure out which combo is the most effective
05-13-2009, 01:47 PM
05-13-2009, 01:49 PM
05-13-2009, 01:54 PM
This is the ingredients for 1 cap of 400mg NOW Foods Green Tea Extract at NP... says only 4mg of C?
Green Tea Extract (Camellia sinensis) (Leaf) 400mg **
Standardized Extract) (Contains 4 mg of Caffeine)
min. 98% Total Polyphenols, 80% Total Catechins, and
50% EGCg(Epigallocatechin Gallate) (200 mg)]
Decaffeinated Green Tea (Camellia sinensis) (Leaf)
Could you do E/Y/GTE/C? Sounds like a lot but im very tolerant to stims
05-13-2009, 01:56 PM
I don't agree with Green Tea for your ECA stack. I would say go the tried and true route.
I personally do enjoy substituting Chocamine in place of my caffeine at times.
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05-13-2009, 01:58 PM
i think someone said the gte was supposed to work on similar pathways as the caffeine so it wasnt necessary. im sure u could take them both though if u wanted to, it adds a negligible amount of caffeine so it wouldnt hurt. i just tried a ecay, i might replace the a with gte.
i used to switch the c with gte if i took a last dose too late at night to avoid insomnia, worked pretty well. after all these stimulants u barely feel the gte
and yea it took me a while to figure out what these acronyms were haha i didnt know wtf gte could be
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