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  1. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    "I" am saying don't waste your time with aspirin.
    So you would recommend E/C/G or E/C/Y?

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    If you must use E and Y together I would use E/Y/G. You don't need C as Green Tea Extract has C.

    GTE is a COMT inhibitor. This means it inhibits the downregulation of the stimulants. So it inversely increases the duration of their effects.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    If you must use E and Y together I would use E/Y/G. You don't need C as Green Tea Extract has C.

    GTE is a COMT inhibitor. This means it inhibits the downregulation of the stimulants. So it inversely increases the duration of their effects.
    Interesting. So one could actually goes as far as just an E/G and throw out the Y and still be effective?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    "I" am saying don't waste your time with aspirin.
    damn, I just got some Bayor baby Aspirin guess Ill get more GTE
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    If you must use E and Y together I would use E/Y/G. You don't need C as Green Tea Extract has C.

    GTE is a COMT inhibitor. This means it inhibits the downregulation of the stimulants. So it inversely increases the duration of their effects.
    Ill start using my GTE today, how should it be dosed?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Interesting. So one could actually goes as far as just an E/G and throw out the Y and still be effective?
    this what I hope on doing
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    I'm not saying throw out the Y. E targets beta receptors and Y targets alpha receptors. If you have adipose that is either, or, then use either, or, accordingly.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    I'm not saying throw out the Y. E targets beta receptors and Y targets alpha receptors. If you have adipose that is either, or, then use either, or, accordingly.
    ok, Ive been dosing everything accordingly...Im not dumb lol. Im going to do one week of C, then do the GTE on my taper down 3/2/1...I think that'll be a good combination. So then it will be E/Y/A/GTE
    I started Aspirin today (81mg) tomorrow I will increase the dose to 2x a day for a week or two, then 3x a day for a week, being that its baby Aspirin, and Im a big guy, how do you think I should dose it?

  7. just got from my WO...felt so drained it was hard to do cardio, inclined walking, I dont know why

  8. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    Ill start using my GTE today, how should it be dosed?
    I use one gram in the morning and one gram post workout.

  9. I wish NP would carry 12.5mg ephedrine caps.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I wish NP would carry 12.5mg ephedrine caps.

    Adams
    Is that legal?

    Is there anywhere you can buy that now? I thought the only way to legally get ephedrine is in cold medicine?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    Is that legal?

    Is there anywhere you can buy that now? I thought the only way to legally get ephedrine is in cold medicine?
    There are i believe 5 states that you cannot purchase in. Some states allow only 12.5mgs to be purchased, and the rest have no restrictions. So selling 12.5mg would keep everyone happy (Though that is as high as you really need IMO). Then just do not sell to those few states that you cannot.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  12. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I wish NP would carry 12.5mg ephedrine caps.

    Adams
    post WO...never thought of that, why post?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    post WO...never thought of that, why post?
    ??? Did I say Post WO somewhere?

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  14. Adams he was talking about the green tea post WO not the E lol

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    ??? Did I say Post WO somewhere?

    Adams
    no, lol, this is weird...i meant to reply to LAGears post...

    Originally Posted by KgTomCat
    Ill start using my GTE today, how should it be dosed?
    Originally Posted by LAGear
    I use one gram in the morning and one gram post workout.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    post WO...never thought of that, why post?
    Honestly, I don't remember why I made the decision to take half my dose PWO when I started using GTE

    It may have been because of something I read, it could be because it was a convenient time to add into my shakes (not a good idea to use it too late because of the caffeine), it may be because I take it with dext/malto at that time so it might be absorbed faster.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    "I" am saying don't waste your time with aspirin.
    Why would you sugest this,I have tried eca many times and with aspirin it worked better every time.

    There are many studies done at countless universities that used aspirin in there testing.

    it blocks Prostaglandin in the cycle for thermogenesis.

    here is a picture from 1993 that was used in a study.ECA has been tested for up to 24 weeks and it showed that it kept on increasing ne while increasing the camp cycle.Where not taking about receptor downregulation,with eca you can get used to the stim affect after a week but there thermogenisis lasts for over 6 months.The aspirin plays a huge role in that.



    An additional claim made by proponents of ECA-induced weight loss is that the thermogenic effects are
    limited to fat catabolism, and that there is no protein catabolism, increased heart rate, or tremors which are
    associated with other sympathetic stimulation. One hypothesis is that the main stimulation by ephedrine is
    through beta2- and beta3-adrenergic receptor subtypes (2, 7), both of which are predominantly responsible
    for lipolysis and protein synthesis, but are not associated with cardiovascular and central nervous system
    effects mediated by beta1-receptor (2). Tolerance rapidly develops to the effects of ephedrine on heart rate,
    but does not develop to the thermogenic effects (2, 8-12), suggesting that different mechanisms are
    responsible for these different effects, and that ephedrine has longer-acting effects on thermogenesis.
    The third component of the ECA combination, aspirin, enhances the peripheral actions of ephedrine and
    caffeine by inhibiting prostaglandin (PG) synthesis. PGs, like adenosine, have been implicated in inhibiting
    NE release from the post-synaptic nerve terminal, and in inhibiting the lipolytic actions of sympathetic
    stimulants (2). However, these effects have been limited to only one study, and more experiments must be
    performed before this effect can be conclusively linked to aspirin.
    In summary, the effects of ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin in rat brown adipose tissue involve a significant
    central component of increased NE release, and a contributing peripheral part that has direct action on the
    target tissue. These peripheral actions act to directly increase stimulation of beta-adrenergic receptors
    (especially the beta2- and beta3-subtypes), to inhibit the regulatory mechanisms of negative feedback by
    adenosine and PGs extracellularly, and to inhibit the destruction of cAMP by PDE intracellularly. This
    overall scheme is depicted in Figure 1.
    Efficacy

  18. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    I use one gram in the morning and one gram post workout.
    The more important thing is how much EGCG you are getting per dose of GTE. Aim for about 400mg EGCG per dose. Take twice daily.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    The more important thing is how much EGCG you are getting per dose of GTE. Aim for about 400mg EGCG per dose. Take twice daily.
    NP GTE powder is 50% ECGC so I'm getting 500mg twice a day.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    NP GTE powder is 50% ECGC so I'm getting 500mg twice a day.
    Awesome.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    The more important thing is how much EGCG you are getting per dose of GTE. Aim for about 400mg EGCG per dose. Take twice daily.
    I just have the Vitmain Shoppe brand of GTE, never really considered GTE an important supp, until now

  22. Quote Originally Posted by skratch View Post
    Why would you sugest this,I have tried eca many times and with aspirin it worked better every time.

    There are many studies done at countless universities that used aspirin in there testing.

    it blocks Prostaglandin in the cycle for thermogenesis.

    here is a picture from 1993 that was used in a study.ECA has been tested for up to 24 weeks and it showed that it kept on increasing ne while increasing the camp cycle.Where not taking about receptor downregulation,with eca you can get used to the stim affect after a week but there thermogenisis lasts for over 6 months.The aspirin plays a huge role in that.



    An additional claim made by proponents of ECA-induced weight loss is that the thermogenic effects are
    limited to fat catabolism, and that there is no protein catabolism, increased heart rate, or tremors which are
    associated with other sympathetic stimulation. One hypothesis is that the main stimulation by ephedrine is
    through beta2- and beta3-adrenergic receptor subtypes (2, 7), both of which are predominantly responsible
    for lipolysis and protein synthesis, but are not associated with cardiovascular and central nervous system
    effects mediated by beta1-receptor (2). Tolerance rapidly develops to the effects of ephedrine on heart rate,
    but does not develop to the thermogenic effects (2, 8-12), suggesting that different mechanisms are
    responsible for these different effects, and that ephedrine has longer-acting effects on thermogenesis.
    The third component of the ECA combination, aspirin, enhances the peripheral actions of ephedrine and
    caffeine by inhibiting prostaglandin (PG) synthesis. PGs, like adenosine, have been implicated in inhibiting
    NE release from the post-synaptic nerve terminal, and in inhibiting the lipolytic actions of sympathetic
    stimulants (2). However, these effects have been limited to only one study, and more experiments must be
    performed before this effect can be conclusively linked to aspirin.
    In summary, the effects of ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin in rat brown adipose tissue involve a significant
    central component of increased NE release, and a contributing peripheral part that has direct action on the
    target tissue. These peripheral actions act to directly increase stimulation of beta-adrenergic receptors
    (especially the beta2- and beta3-subtypes), to inhibit the regulatory mechanisms of negative feedback by
    adenosine and PGs extracellularly, and to inhibit the destruction of cAMP by PDE intracellularly. This
    overall scheme is depicted in Figure 1.
    Efficacy
    so ECA is better than ECY....
    what about GTE????????
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    You keep mising the point...E stimulates beta receptors, Y stimulates alpha receptors. Different receptors different adipose.

    Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)

  24. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    You keep mising the point...E stimulates beta receptors, Y stimulates alpha receptors. Different receptors different adipose.

    Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)
    I understand, I want to know if E/C/A/Y is safe? if it is, I will dose all, or EOD..
    how do I dose the A? Im taking baby Aspirin (81mg)
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    uuhhggg. forget about the aspirin already
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